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@Dolorous Menhir - Karsa calls humans children because he is pretty old. In House of Chains the Teblor are mentioned as "long lived" and the 7 would have to wait another 100 years to go through with their plans if Karsa et. al failed...thus Karsa is pretty old I reckon.
Also just becasue the Teblor are insanely tall and humans aren't, doesn't mean they couldn't have had a similar ancestory. Its called evolution for a reason. And no one claims the Tiste races are descendants because we know where they came from...well not know but they were supposedly birthed by Mother Dark and Father Light.
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 03:49 AM
Illuyankas said:
Those are the Imass/Toblakhai remnants, Dark Mac.
Are they? Where do we here that Imass and Toblakai are around at the same time? Since two species are called "Thelomen Toblakai" and "Thelomen Barghast", I assumed they were both Imass descendants.
And don't Jaghut also have many joints? I don't think the Toblakai are ever mentioned as sharing this characteristic.
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@Dolorous Menhir - Karsa calls humans children because he is pretty old. In House of Chains the Teblor are mentioned as "long lived" and the 7 would have to wait another 100 years to go through with their plans if Karsa et. al failed...thus Karsa is pretty old I reckon.
Karsa was around 80, IIRC. Some of the characters he killed would've been as old as he was.
The first time he kills humans (or when he gets to the village), he says that they're the same size as Teblor children. More specifically, Teblor newborns. The Teblor are REALLY big.
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 06:59 AM
Jen said:
Karsa calls humans children because he is pretty old.
I agree with Dark Mac. I don't think he calls them children because of their age, it's because they are so small compared to the size of adult teblor, just like teblor children.
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 07:27 AM
on the children thing.... it's the size of them, not Karsa's age.
The Jaghut don't have extra joints?.. that's the FA.
The Jaghut tyrants enslaved the Imass... I see no reason why they might not have gotten jiggy wit' it under those circumstances..
The Jaghut don't have extra joints?.. that's the FA.
The Jaghut tyrants enslaved the Imass... I see no reason why they might not have gotten jiggy wit' it under those circumstances..
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 07:47 AM
Does some body have any other information on Kilmandaros being earth-aspected ?
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 07:53 AM
Hmmmm all this speculation, might as well throw in my two cents.
Barghast = Imass + Toblakai - fought on seas together - MoI i think
Jhag = Jaghut + Toblakai - Some reference made in HoC when Karsa was gettin his horse.
Toblakai mentioned above could have been there inbred forms(not so pure blood if you'ld prefer)
Barghast = Imass + Toblakai - fought on seas together - MoI i think
Jhag = Jaghut + Toblakai - Some reference made in HoC when Karsa was gettin his horse.
Toblakai mentioned above could have been there inbred forms(not so pure blood if you'ld prefer)
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 07:58 AM
No I think its mostly speculation and good ol' fashion intuition.
I think most of the common races are Imass descendant through evolution, iirc Barghast are explicity mentioned as Imass who escaped through the seas with there canoes, maybe wrong in that though. TT are definetly not of Imass/Jaghut descendency imho.
I think most of the common races are Imass descendant through evolution, iirc Barghast are explicity mentioned as Imass who escaped through the seas with there canoes, maybe wrong in that though. TT are definetly not of Imass/Jaghut descendency imho.
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 08:31 AM
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Any other? You mean that there is some information given already?
Someone said that in MT Mael said it. But the book is 800-900 km away from me so I can't check.
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 08:38 AM
No, I don't think Mael said any such thing..
To the TT.. MY pet theory is that they're of KC making. Though obviously, I have nothing to back this up. They were fond of messing with biology, and the TT with their localized warrens, seem to be the ultimate warriors. Creating them out of what was available, Eres and Jaghut, might be a possibility
To the TT.. MY pet theory is that they're of KC making. Though obviously, I have nothing to back this up. They were fond of messing with biology, and the TT with their localized warrens, seem to be the ultimate warriors. Creating them out of what was available, Eres and Jaghut, might be a possibility
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 08:39 AM
Dolorous Menhir said:
Umm, no they aren't. The Imass are short, the Toblakai certainly aren't.
When I said squat, I meant broad, in shoulders. Karsa sems 7 to 8 feet tall, just like Raest and Gothos. The Jagh (Iccy) seem smaller again.
If Karsa sees a person of 20 (4 times younger) half his size, no wonder he calls them children.
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 09:17 AM
Just wrote my theory concerning races in a new thread. If anyone cares.
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 09:19 AM
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Seems likely Ardatha eventually ascended to be QoD.
- Abyss, Dreams of Queens. Wait, i take that back...
- Abyss, Dreams of Queens. Wait, i take that back...
Nope.. that is definately T'riss..
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 10:04 AM
Hetan said:
Ardata is Queen of Spiders
You mean Mogora?
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 10:08 AM
Daemon said:
You mean Mogora?
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 09:05 PM
Hetan said:
on the children thing.... it's the size of them, not Karsa's age.
The Jaghut don't have extra joints?.. that's the FA.
The Jaghut tyrants enslaved the Imass... I see no reason why they might not have gotten jiggy wit' it under those circumstances..
The Jaghut don't have extra joints?.. that's the FA.
The Jaghut tyrants enslaved the Imass... I see no reason why they might not have gotten jiggy wit' it under those circumstances..
We find out about the Jaghut's multi-jointedness in DG on the Chain of Dogs. It seems like it's a characteristic they share with the FA (and Gothos certainly seemed FA-like in MT).
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When I said squat, I meant broad, in shoulders. Karsa sems 7 to 8 feet tall, just like Raest and Gothos. The Jagh (Iccy) seem smaller again.
If Karsa sees a person of 20 (4 times younger) half his size, no wonder he calls them children.
If Karsa sees a person of 20 (4 times younger) half his size, no wonder he calls them children.
Nah, in HoC the Toblakai/Teblor are described as being at least three times the size of a human.
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 09:27 PM
We see they have multi-jointed hands. Nothing on whether they have extra elbows and knees, or a torso hinge-thing.
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 09:33 PM
Dark Mac said:
We find out about the Jaghut's multi-jointedness in DG on the Chain of Dogs. It seems like it's a characteristic they share with the FA (and Gothos certainly seemed FA-like in MT).
a reference would be nice please...
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Nah, in HoC the Toblakai/Teblor are described as being at least three times the size of a human.
the one in the well is the pure-blood .... and Karsa is just not that big... he's on a par for height with icarium
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 10:08 PM
Errm, this is like the T&F discussion, debated over three threads.
Please discuss this further here. Continue the mogora thing...
Please discuss this further here. Continue the mogora thing...
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Posted 10 May 2006 - 06:12 AM
[QUOTE=Hetan]a reference would be nice please...[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure about the exact page, but it's the Jaghut that talks to Corporal List and gives him visions. When I read that at first I expected it to be an FA, but it was surprisingly a Jaghut.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]the one in the well is the pure-blood .... and Karsa is just not that big... he's on a par for height with icarium[/QUOTE]
I suppose they might've shrunk over time, but it's the originals who matter.
And if TT + Jaghut = Jhag, then Iccy would be taller than the average Jaghut.
[/QUOTE]I'm not sure about the exact page, but it's the Jaghut that talks to Corporal List and gives him visions. When I read that at first I expected it to be an FA, but it was surprisingly a Jaghut.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]the one in the well is the pure-blood .... and Karsa is just not that big... he's on a par for height with icarium[/QUOTE]
I suppose they might've shrunk over time, but it's the originals who matter.
And if TT + Jaghut = Jhag, then Iccy would be taller than the average Jaghut.
