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Crump The Idiot

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Posted 19 May 2006 - 10:57 AM

A made me cry for have it around 850 km away from my hands.
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#42 Stilgar

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Posted 19 May 2006 - 01:14 PM

Crump is crasy ok, he is not killed because Soldiers don't kill their own (or exeptionaly). He killed some off them but not by giving some stupid order that usualy what realy trigger the killer in Malezan army).
My own crazy theory is by blasting a bigger breach in the wall he created a safe zone without the blasted zone all soldiers would have been far away in the city and dead. He pissed on the altar but even without that I don't think the KoD would have helped. So crasy but god inspired.
He also provide SE some element of fun and large possibility of dead end escape.

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Posted 20 May 2006 - 03:20 AM

Gosh . . . he's a Mott Irregular, and how can you not love the Mott Irregulars? They are some of SE's greatest off-the-wall characters, painted in so much loving Zen broad-brush detail that they have to have a larger role ahead of them. Except for their dietary habits (leech-roe sashimi!), they are probably having more fun than any character who isn't Kruppe . . .

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Posted 28 May 2006 - 07:31 AM

I'm curious . . . Erickson doesn't seem to waste plot material, and there are no throwaway lines in the long run. (Malazan really _is_ the Finnegans Wake of epic fantasy!):

At this point, we know that there is a Bole sister, whom "you never want to meet." Have we run into her yet, or where is she going to come in? Among the few things we know about the Mott Irregulars is that they can and do plant spies everywhere. (That, and that they all seem to be High Marshals -- is there Supreme Applesauce Lord called a Private? -- and that they dig raw badger meat and leech roe sashimi.)

I've run through the survivors' roll call in Bonehunters. I'm not the sharpest bulb on the beach myself, but I didn't spot Crump in that list. And yet, he seems to be alive and well and goofing around the 14th after the holocaust of Y'Ghatan and the Great Escape. What gives? Is there something we don't know about the salamander deity -- is pulling his tail like "pulling the finger" of destiny in general?

Something strange and as yet unrevealed is going on in Mott Forest. If anyone is going to be capable of taking on Karsa's folk, it might very well turn out to be those "swamp-sucking warlocks," eh?

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Posted 28 May 2006 - 12:58 PM

After some thinking while reading this thread again, I'd like to make a point in his favour.

Abyss said:

Backing it up tho', he DID mislay the cussers, causing any amount of death. I suppose everyone knew YGhatan was going to be a bloodbath in any case, but still... geez.

Wasn't the crater his explosion caused the reason why the Malazan troops couldn't get into the city real fast? Meaning, if things had gone as planned, a lot more troops of the 14th might have been in the city when the inferno started.

So, in a way Crump might have saved a lot of lives too. I know that if so, it wasn't on purpose, but that's plot doing it's thing...

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Posted 31 May 2006 - 05:10 AM

Hey Jamber git yer crap an go wit dem malazans to sevin cities K, keep an eye on em. Mind you dont draw too much attention to yerself...
Sure think Straw they won't spect a thing Stupid is as Stupid does...

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Posted 01 June 2006 - 03:05 AM

Is SE a Goon Show fan? I wonder . . . the Mott Irregulars are a lot like Eccles, Iskaral Pust and Mogora could just be like Henry Crun and Minnie Bannister . . . and are there parallels between Bottle and Bluebottle? Mallick Rel and Korbolo Dom . . . let's see, Gritpype-Thynne and Count Jim ("Thighs") Moriarty?

Who's your candidate for Neddie Seagoon?

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Posted 01 June 2006 - 12:48 PM

I was under the impression that malazan soldiers killed both officers and each other quite a lot. I dont remember from where I got it , but something about the talk among the bridgeburners related to offing Paran and in general.

So I think SE is keeping Crump alive to stir things up.

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Posted 01 June 2006 - 02:09 PM

@Bridgeburner: VERY good point. By killing a few sappers, Crump probably saved a chunk of the army (the points is repeatedly made that YGhatan wasn't as bad as it could have been). And they know it, which may be why no one's stuck a cusser through his chest yet.

@frank: GotM, MoI and HoC - the Malazan armies seem to have a history of taking out undercover Claw and ineffective officers, altho that may be a bit more talk than action.

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Posted 02 June 2006 - 04:23 AM

OK, my choice for Neddie Seagoon would be Ganoes Paran. The hypothesis here would be that Erikson is doing some of those great Goons, but trying to imagine what they would be like if they didn't live in a cartoon world. Neddie is the centre of the action, and doesn't quite realize the implications of what's going on around him.

Given that most of the action is military, there should be no shortage of candidates for Major Dennis Bloodnok. Captain Sweetcreek would be one of the obvious ones . . .

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Posted 13 June 2006 - 05:39 PM

Interesting point on the reread...

in MoI, High Marshall Sty (i think) tells Gruntle and Itkovian that the Mott Irregulars have spies in the Malazan army.

Wondering whether Crump was such.

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Posted 13 June 2006 - 06:09 PM

I think it was partly that the 14th didn't have enough sappers, so they started handing out munitions to whoever wanted them. Besides Crump (who does something stupid, but hes so oblivious to it that I can't help but forgive him) wasn't there a trio that just ran into a building with munitions, rather then lobbing them?

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Posted 13 June 2006 - 10:09 PM

Yah, the guys who suddenly decided they were sappers. They need to keep those Moranth munitions away from people like that.

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Posted 14 June 2006 - 12:07 PM

Yah, that didn't turn out so well.
Have to wonder why they haven't been mass producing those crossbow 'launchers' for ages. Fiddler and Hedge seemed to have had theirs for a while even as of GotM.

As for Crump, a complete mess, but despite them being all soft and cuddly by the end of MoI, i'm wondering if someone forgot to tell him the Malazans weren't the enemy any more.

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Posted 15 June 2006 - 06:10 AM

Possible, and attractive. But given the way SE seems to switch sides between books, how do we know that the Empire will still turn out to be the Good Guys when all is said, done, and blown up with cussers? So far, Malaz just seems to be somewhat less bad than the alternatives. (Like all the Sha'iks and their rather excitable followers, and even there, we have Corabb and the Whirlwind remnant that prefers Capt. Paran to Sha'ik III.)

Again so far: the only clearly good Malazan cats would seem to be the Bridgeburners and the Bonehunters (betrayed by their Imperial sponsors) and Cotillion (who seems to be slowly repenting a lot of his past). Maybe Lostara Yil, who seems to be re-thinking her past. But if the Empire is no better than Laseen and Korbolo Dom, perhaps it needs a bunch of powerful, uncontrollable loonies like the Mott Irregulars to keep it honest in the long run?

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#56 Monoch Ochem

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Posted 15 June 2006 - 12:17 PM

I ain't so certain of the Bridgeburners anymore pres_north. Hedge seemed to have mused a few dark thoughts after the Deragoth left the realm he (and Paran) freed them from. He'd said before that ALL the Bridgeburners ascended...some good and some not-so-good. That they wanted to know what was in it for them. That they felt tired of being used...fair enough. But when Hedge was alone in that forsaken place, he seemed to be decided on a course OTHER than Paran etc. thinks. I don't know....for a moment there, it had a familiar stain to it. That call: come ye broken, abused, used and discarded; I the CG will replace your pain...

What do you people think?

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Posted 15 June 2006 - 12:24 PM

Noooooooooo!
Don't tell me Hedge is gonna be taken by the Dark side!
anger leads to hate, hate leads to the crippled god..
but he may be covering up.. . yes, that's it... he's going to infiltrate the inermost sanctum of the CG's tent..

I felt sorry for Hege.. all alone..

#58 Monoch Ochem

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Posted 15 June 2006 - 12:28 PM

Maybe not so alone Hetan....we don't know who's with him in this. I suspect Whiskeyjack wouldn't go there but there are many BBs.

BTW, is it the entire undead Raraku army that Paran's going to command? That would be something! Imass, Jaghut...all I can think of is what's the sorcery going to be like???

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