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Resolutions... potential SPOILERS

#41 Loof

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 01:38 PM

Isn't it Kalam's other long knife that is invested? That is, one oratatal knife that's not magic except for being made from oratatal, and one magic invested knife. Thats how I remeber it at least.
But since that wasn't your point I will add my agreement to yours that at least bellurdan had access to some form of elder sorcery, which seems to indicate that there exists an elder toblakai warren.

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 01:56 PM

that came out in BH didn't it?
That some toblakai have the ability to become their own warren iirc?

#43 Loof

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 02:01 PM

Yeah, good point.
Then acording to HoC these personal warrens should be considered elder sorcery, or at least some of them should (a bit vague on the details as it was a while since i read HoC a sits my least favorite book in the series).

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 10:33 AM

Loof said:

But since that wasn't your point I will add my agreement to yours that at least bellurdan had access to some form of elder sorcery, which seems to indicate that there exists an elder toblakai warren.

Rereading HoC at the moment and Karsa mentioned that the Toblakai have their Dreamworld, which sounded similar to that of the Imass, tundra with herds moving in the distance.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 11:14 AM

But isn't that Dreamworld that of the Imass gods? Something that the Teblor had access to when they started worshipping he Seven; so not a Toblakai warren at all.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 11:44 AM

nice thought...could be

but another thing i wondered about (maybe i dont understand really the nature of elder warrens) is: when a toblakai makes his own warren (creates it, that is) how can it be elder? it has just been made, hasnt it?

could be though, that the toblakai fashions his warren out of some raw material, which could be an elder warren, but then there IS an own toblakai elder warren... which just have been denied (?) ...or the toblakai can choose from which elder warren he creates his personal warren...so different toblakai...different aspected sorcery...but if this is the case how can u sense that a sorcery is distinct toblakai if it derives from, lets say, tellann=?
and, either way, shouldnt change the process of making the personal warren the scent / aroma ( as tool put it in GotM) so it isnt from the same scent/aroma as the elder warrens... any thoughts from the smart guys on this?

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 12:26 PM

Blind said:

But isn't that Dreamworld that of the Imass gods? Something that the Teblor had access to when they started worshipping he Seven; so not a Toblakai warren at all.

Good point, but he did state that he doesn't associate the Dreamworld with 'his gods' the Seven. With the 'chain storm' when Karsa is freed from the Malazans at sea, the Seven would appear to be calling on the power of the Chained One rather than using the Imass warren.

My take on the personal warrens of the Toblakai is that it's the source of their awesome physical levels of power and endurance, and Karsa unknowingly has abandant access to it. It's elder magic only in that the Toblakai are elder beings and that otataral has no negative effect on them, as they seem to thrive on it...

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 05:06 PM

So, Binadas has been los, but what does really happened to him? And by the way, where does Mael get this priest from? It doesn't fit in my mind.

And then the stormriders, who no on has so far defeated. Is this possible?

My conclusiuon. Tayschrenn is the heart of the empire, but where is Ameron?

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 05:14 PM

Binadas was speared by Karsa
The Jhistal priest.. well he was around in DG.. dunno what your problem is with him? Mael has small pockets of worshippers still... the Meckros for example.
The stormriders... they really appear in Night of Knives..
Ameron? good question.. one we'd all like answered.. :rolleyes:

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 05:36 PM

Okay, but who is Grizzin Farl, mentioned only in the List of Ascendants as Elder God? Can't remember he is anywhere mentioned in the book.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 06:09 PM

Grizzin Farl was definitely mentioned in the text, can't remember where, but definitely remember thinking "ANOTHER Elder God". Perhaps it was Curdle & Telorast babbling.

File him/her with Sechul Lath & Kilmandaros as the total unknown quantities among the Elder Gods.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 06:47 PM

Thanks, next question: Why is Sha'ik as the Whirlwind Goddess in the list of ascendants?

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 06:49 PM

...because she was an Ascendant?

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 06:51 PM

No, not Sha'ik, Sha'ik is the avatar, the prophet.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 07:04 PM

Sha'ik was the name of the Imass woman too though, right? If it wasn't then what was her name? Dryjhna was just a prophet, I thought.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 07:56 PM

Perhaps as Felisin Younger took the name of Shaik 'n' Vac (you put the freshness back!) she became ascendant from the CG - same name, different people.

Hello, soldiers, look at your mage, now back to me, now back at your mage, now back to me. Sadly, he isn’t me, but if he stopped being an unascended mortal and switched to Sole Spice, he could smell like he’s me. Look down, back up, where are you? You’re in a warren with the High Mage your cadre mage could smell like. What’s in your hand, back at me. I have it, it’s an acorn with two gates to that realm you love. Look again, the acorn is now otataral. Anything is possible when your mage smells like Sole Spice and not a Bole brother. I’m on a quorl.

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 10:01 PM

Dryjhna was the name of the Imass goddess; Sha'ik is the prophet. I don't know what's happening with Felisin Younger, but the different women called Sha'ik weren't ascendants before. Could it be that Sha'ik is meant to replace the dead goddess?

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 10:49 PM

Dinivan said:

It's not the actual age, that makes a warren Elder, it's the source. Telas draws from Tellann which in turn draws from Kurald Thyrllan - not elder. Whatever power Thelomen Toblakai warrens draw from is likely as fundamental as the Holds - their race was around at the time of the KCCM, when warrens weren't known, yet.