[Abyss]

Because Morgora is a d'ivers spider who uses the moon to heal Mappo... spider, weaver, moon, Ardata -> T'riss. At least, that's my rationale.

Rake has like three names. Envy has at least two. Cotillion and Mappo may know her by different names.


As for Fiddler, and HHLight as opposed to Life, well, why not? We have so few clues that i figure it could go either way.

- Abyss, goes either ways. Oh, was that out loud?

[Abyss]

Hetan said:

Always fancied L'oric as champion of HHLife..

Just on the basis of how many times he can be stabbed in the chest and not die, he deserves to be.

- Abyss, thinks of Loric as the monty pythonesque black knight... "c'mon, i'll gnaw your kneecaps orf!"

[Midnight]

I think that Queen of Dreams and Ardata are definetly separate...wasn't pretty well established that Ardata was an elder goddesss?

I had considered Caladan Brood for champion of High House Life but he seems more aspected to Burn who is unaligned.

Other positions in the house could be filled by Soliel and Gedderone both of whom seem fairly life-aspected.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Always assumed L'oric was most likely in HHLight - protector of KThyrllan via his familiar, a Tiste Liosan (the race of Light), son of only known HHLight member...

Could just as easily be a member of HHLife though, I'm not even sure if it's right to say that the "empty" Houses are actually full and we just haven't been told.

Maybe all those positions really are empty.

[Abyss]

A position in a reading does not automatically equal a position in a House. Repeat.
A position in a reading does not automatically equal a position in a House. Repeat.
A position in a reading does not automatically equal a position in a House. Repeat.


- Abyss, Abyss, Abyss.

[Illuyankas]

Toblakai said:

In MoI when the brigdeburners are doing a reading:
"The Captain of High House Light holds out some hope, but it's shaded by Hood's Herald - thought not directly, there's a distance there , I think. The Assassin of Hight House Shadows seems to have accquired a new face."

Allways thought the captain was L'oric, but since the assassin is Kalam, could they have been talking about Fiddler? But can't remember that any of those 2 had anything do with the Herald, so perhaps somebody with a better memory could shed some light.

That bit, to me at least, implied Whiskeyjack, as the distance to the Herald of Death works out to the length of time before he died. More so than Brukhalian, anyway. But we could debate who's meant by Deck readings all day. And yes, for most cases they're not in the House, it's a tarot reading basically.

[GardenGnome]

There is a link between Wiskeyjack and Hood, remember his younger sister. When she was young, he rescued her from Hood's temple, which gained Hood's wrath. However, that seems a bit far-fetched... The link to Brukhalian seems more probable.

[Illuyankas]

I meant as in, the Herald was distant because he had some time before he died. But the only thing stopping me from believing it was Brukhalian is the fact he was really very important at all. Itkovian? Gah - all three of them were leaders and died early... I could skin SE sometimes.

[madala]

Getting back to HH Life. From Fiddler's game on baord the Froth Wolf :

"Dealer gets Soldier of High House Life, but its bittersweet, meaning it's for him and him alone, given this late hour. Empty chair [Bottle] gets Weaver of Life and she needs a bath but nobody's surprised by that."

From which we can assume perhaps that Weaver = Eres'al ? Fiddle = Soldier.

[Monoch Ochem]

I don't know why but when I read the stuff about her needing a bath, I thought it's Lady Envy. That's why noone's surprised...she's always preening herself and having baths in the strangest places at the oddest times.

Wonder if Fiddler would be so crass as to suggest that the E'res smells?

[Dark Mac]

Well, she would be covered in Bottle's...fluids, and that's certainly not a pleasant smell.

As for Envy, Fiddler said *needs* a bath, not *wants* a bath.

[PannionDude]

I can't see Fid in High House Light...From Jorrude to L'oric to Osric all the people who are Light aspected are obsessed with propriety and certain that they are correct at all times. Malazan soldiers are certain that they are not right and the furthest thing from proper.

[Abyss]

It certainly seems to suggest the Eres... the way she jumps everywhere and has all these plans on the go would fit with 'weaver', for the purposes of the reading/game at least.

I like MO's notion re: Lady Envy. It wouldn't be the first time SE has misdirected us deliberately.

Just to throw everything at the wall, it could also mean, Lostara, because she felt dirty by association with Tene Baralta, and by way of humour, Hellian, who subsequently jumped in the water and swam in looking for a drink.

- Abyss, prefers to shower.

[GardenGnome]

Weaver of Life = Mogora? Doesn't Pust say something about how she needs a bath? The title sort of fits, given her powerful healing. Then again, Cotilion seemed surprised at her powers (until he figured she was Ardata's - atleast, that's how I read it), wouldn't he know it if she held a position in the deck?

[Monoch Ochem]

It's the fact that Fiddler follows up by saying noone's surprised that she needs the bath....he didn't say that noone disagrees, just that they're not surprised. The "need" seemed somehow less literal.

[jonny_anonymous]

I think the "Life" in High House Life isn't referring to some mystical life force that births people like the opposite of Hood but instead it means the lives people live. And with the Queen being the goddess of divinations, it isn't so much High House Life but more like High House Fate?