[Agraba]

At the end, we find out that Onos Toolan has become a flesh Imass once again, like Kilava. He's said to resemble a Barghast (because I think they evolved from the Imass). How did that happen? I don't recall Silverfox doing anything.

And I don't know if this matters, but as flesh, he introduced himself to Hetan as "Onos Toolan" rather than "Onos T'oolan" (the apostrophe is the difference if you didn't notice). I recall him mentioning to Toc that "T'oolan" means Broken Flint... or something. Is it the apostrophe that means "broken"?

[Trotts]

dont know that much, but tlan became t'lan after the ritual, when the imass became undead, so perhaps toolan, rather than t'oolan infers thats hes alive

[tiam]

He becomes flesh i believe due to his renounciation of the title of first sword. At the end he drops his sword infront of silverfox and she says she doesnt know the meaning of it. any way thats my only explanation

[doolally2au]

I've always assumed that Silverfox released him from the ritual of Tellann at his request, not to oblivion as was the intention of most of the T'lan when they arrived at the second gathering, but back to life. I guess she has the power as a living bonecaster to do either.

[tiam]

So is tool now a mortal like the tlan ay or his he a mortal immortal thingy like kilava

[Blind]

Kilava is immortal because she is soletaken, and Tool is not. So, he is probably mortal now.

[Illuyankas]

Kilava's immortality is explained in the next book, just wait


Besides, if Soletaken = Immortality, then (Spoilers for Midnight Tides)

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why haven't the Jheck completely overrun Lether?

[Dolorous Menhir]

Maybe

Spoiler

Tool could hook up with Onrack and get him to draw a portait in some dark cave somewhere. Instant immortality without the minor hindrance of being

dead.

[Blind]

Soletaken do seem to enjoy a form of immortality, or a least they are very long-lived. Look at the soletaken from the First Empire, who have been alive for a long time without ascending (we know that Treach didn't ascend until MoI).

As for Kilava, indeed there may be more than one reason for her immortality.

[tiam]

she is a bonecaster and this probably has a factor but the fact shes soletakn or has done the ritual thingy may mean that she has become immortal. i dont think onracks drawing had anty relevance at all to be honest

[Trotts]

i dont think so. if it was as simple as, the picture of kilava would always be there in that cliff (literally, just the painting would survive) i dont think the imass would get all huffy over it. i mean, they made a huge stink. onrack is very hated. there must be something more to his making a painting.

ed: the empire employed a number or artisan historians who captured the battles. im willing to bet that there are some paintings of the imass kickin hiney, how come the imass dont care about that?

[Dolorous Menhir]

Because Onrack created some kind of sorcery with his painting, a kind of preservative magic born of his forbidden love for Kilava. This is the only current explanation for her continued youth (spoilers omitted because the posters above referred to it already). It was no ordinary painting, for it bestowed immortality on the subject. Thus defying the Vow, etcetera.

For those who point to First (human) Empire Soletaken as examples of immortality, note that Imass such as Kilava are much older. And although strength or power seems to translate directly into longevity, Kilava doesn't strike me as a particularly powerful being.

[Illuyankas]

Dolorous Menhir said:

Because Onrack created some kind of sorcery with his painting, a kind of preservative magic born of his forbidden love for Kilava. This is the only current explanation for her continued youth (spoilers omitted because the posters above referred to it already). It was no ordinary painting, for it bestowed immortality on the subject. Thus defying the Vow, etcetera.

For those who point to First (human) Empire Soletaken as examples of immortality, note that Imass such as Kilava are much older. And although strength or power seems to translate directly into longevity, Kilava doesn't strike me as a particularly powerful being.

She was going to take on a CG-fuelled Jaghut with a KCKM Matron, ON HER OWN. Plus, she slaughtered those K'ell hunters who killed Treach easily, much easier than any mage we've seen other than demi-goddess Envy. She ain't that weak.

[tiam]

also shes a bone caster which is what people dont under stand. any bone caster(even onrack whos supposed to be crap ) would give the highest mage a run for their money. if you remember a quote from GOTM its said only the imass have sent a BC newere and it was to kartool. and it said that the sorcery displayed there made moons spawn look like a chils cantrip. bearing in ming moonspawn battle had RAKE TAYSCHRENN and 4 other high mages(tattersail was good enough) so she must be quite powerful

[Trotts]

ochem is the bone caster, onrack is "just" an imass

[tiam]

onrack was a BC for a little bit but he gave it up to a more powerful BC. And who brought ochem into it? were discussing kilava i thought