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I'm with bc7, it's quite possible that the death of magic might well be the resolution of the books.
Sounds like a Terry Brooks plotline to me. . .
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#41 Guest_BAD_*
Posted 06 March 2006 - 12:22 AM
Sounds like a Terry Brooks plotline to me. . .
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Posted 06 March 2006 - 12:33 AM
an over-reliance on warren magic will be a probably be "bad thing" soon. You can see communication problems for the Malazan Empire for example. It will be interesting to see if more spirit based magic comes to the fore. Mr Erikson does seem to be keen on that shamanistic type magery. Probably because of his interest in Native Americans.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 04:21 AM
I am getting really confused by all the different types of magic going on - I can't keep them straight and nobody really understands the warrens that well anyway.
I can definately see the end of magic being one way to resolve the series, but I feel like that kind of cliche ending would take something out of the series as a whole.
But we dropped off the topic of the elder warrens, and I'll bring up a cvouple more questions.
The First Empire was the Soletaken empire? What created the Soultaken? Was that the ritual that created the otataral mine?
So, what is the signifigance of the the throne on the floating island? Why doesn't somebody on the "good" side just sit in it and find out what happens?
Also - Ammanas is freaking out. He is obviously not exactly sane, and I think its spreading through the Meanas warren to his priests - eg Iskaral Pust. I smell Cotillon taking him out to ensure stability, assuming the Shadow Throne and setting up Cutter under him as the new Rope.
I can definately see the end of magic being one way to resolve the series, but I feel like that kind of cliche ending would take something out of the series as a whole.
But we dropped off the topic of the elder warrens, and I'll bring up a cvouple more questions.
The First Empire was the Soletaken empire? What created the Soultaken? Was that the ritual that created the otataral mine?
So, what is the signifigance of the the throne on the floating island? Why doesn't somebody on the "good" side just sit in it and find out what happens?
Also - Ammanas is freaking out. He is obviously not exactly sane, and I think its spreading through the Meanas warren to his priests - eg Iskaral Pust. I smell Cotillon taking him out to ensure stability, assuming the Shadow Throne and setting up Cutter under him as the new Rope.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 06:33 PM
Aztiel said:
Also - Ammanas is freaking out. He is obviously not exactly sane, and I think its spreading through the Meanas warren to his priests - eg Iskaral Pust. I smell Cotillon taking him out to ensure stability, assuming the Shadow Throne and setting up Cutter under him as the new Rope.
Not so sure about that one, I'm inclined to say that this is just a case of simple happenstance. Iskral Pust was put in the middle of nowhere to get him out from under Ammanas' feet amongst other things but, after a time of such seclusion he's bound to turn out some-what strange.
As for Cotillion taking him out, do you really think he's powerful enough, seems like a BIG risk if he tried.
Finally I'd say that Cutter is a tool, I lost all respect for him after it became blatent that he wasn't gunna get it on with Apsalar, damn fool.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 07:36 PM
i dont think cotillion would try to get ammanas just to stabalise the warren.
NoK spoiler
In nok he risks getting ensnared by a nazath to free mortal kellenved.
As for soletaken i have a theory that it is an KE ritual (theres a post in the BH forum called KE soletaken ritual) or another crazy theory that makes slightly more sense
The soletaken ritual is of the tellan warren. The imass were the first ever soletaken (non eleint obviosly cos of the EG). 7c was the home of there empire and they left instructions/temples/map or sutton like that there and this was found byy the human first empire. Theres a quote in one of the books (a bit broad sorry) that sas the imass put down the soletaken in the first empire because of guilt (maybe DG or could be HOC if ne1s on a reread atm) The human first empire couldnt channel there power because they used unpredicatble holds and it swept through the first empire in the manner that the ceda power would have in MT. Just a theory ne thought
NoK spoiler
In nok he risks getting ensnared by a nazath to free mortal kellenved.
As for soletaken i have a theory that it is an KE ritual (theres a post in the BH forum called KE soletaken ritual) or another crazy theory that makes slightly more sense
The soletaken ritual is of the tellan warren. The imass were the first ever soletaken (non eleint obviosly cos of the EG). 7c was the home of there empire and they left instructions/temples/map or sutton like that there and this was found byy the human first empire. Theres a quote in one of the books (a bit broad sorry) that sas the imass put down the soletaken in the first empire because of guilt (maybe DG or could be HOC if ne1s on a reread atm) The human first empire couldnt channel there power because they used unpredicatble holds and it swept through the first empire in the manner that the ceda power would have in MT. Just a theory ne thought
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 08:15 PM
Why do people doubt Ammanas? He may seem unhinged, but I think Shadowthrone is the most important individual in the series. We've no idea what he is capable of.
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Posted 10 March 2006 - 01:12 AM
shadowthrone is not crazy.. he acts crazy..
no one wants ot sit on that throne as power draws power... they do not want to cause a convergenge before they are ready..
also magic..
spirit magic..- asking spirits to do magical things..- its a request or order.. utilise blood magic..
elder warrens, holds.- more rough form of magic.. multipurpose not specialised... like a swiss army knive.. can do most things but not refined
younger warrens, houses... more refined... ability to do things is limited specialisation in one area
no one wants ot sit on that throne as power draws power... they do not want to cause a convergenge before they are ready..
also magic..
spirit magic..- asking spirits to do magical things..- its a request or order.. utilise blood magic..
elder warrens, holds.- more rough form of magic.. multipurpose not specialised... like a swiss army knive.. can do most things but not refined
younger warrens, houses... more refined... ability to do things is limited specialisation in one area
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Posted 12 March 2006 - 12:12 AM
Of course everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but I feel like Shadowthrone hasn't really been doing much to stave off what is obviously coming via the CG. He's not doing anything, why? Because he is terrified and doens't know what to do? I realize he has been pulling some strings but almost everything that has happened as a result of Shadow's manipulations has been done either by Cotillon or the Hounds.
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Posted 12 March 2006 - 02:37 AM
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Of course everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but I feel like Shadowthrone hasn't really been doing much to stave off what is obviously coming via the CG. He's not doing anything, why? Because he is terrified and doens't know what to do? I realize he has been pulling some strings but almost everything that has happened as a result of Shadow's manipulations has been done either by Cotillon or the Hounds.
Heh.
I just finished BH. Shadowthrone not doing anything, heh. Well, you'll see ...
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Posted 12 March 2006 - 04:41 AM
Aztiel said:
Of course everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but I feel like Shadowthrone hasn't really been doing much to stave off what is obviously coming via the CG. He's not doing anything, why? Because he is terrified and doens't know what to do? I realize he has been pulling some strings but almost everything that has happened as a result of Shadow's manipulations has been done either by Cotillon or the Hounds.
Erm... who's controlling the Hounds? And why do you think anything ST does is going to be apparent so early?
I was struggling against this, but I'll give in to temptation - Seriously, Bonehunters gives some interesting information about ST... you should buy it
Hello, soldiers, look at your mage, now back to me, now back at your mage, now back to me. Sadly, he isn’t me, but if he stopped being an unascended mortal and switched to Sole Spice, he could smell like he’s me. Look down, back up, where are you? You’re in a warren with the High Mage your cadre mage could smell like. What’s in your hand, back at me. I have it, it’s an acorn with two gates to that realm you love. Look again, the acorn is now otataral. Anything is possible when your mage smells like Sole Spice and not a Bole brother. I’m on a quorl.
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Posted 12 March 2006 - 07:25 PM
Aztiel said:
Of course everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but I feel like Shadowthrone hasn't really been doing much to stave off what is obviously coming via the CG. He's not doing anything, why? Because he is terrified and doens't know what to do? I realize he has been pulling some strings but almost everything that has happened as a result of Shadow's manipulations has been done either by Cotillon or the Hounds.
He is Shadowthone remember. His plots and plans are beyond the ken of mere mortals such as us!
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Posted 21 March 2006 - 06:06 AM
well i don't know much but the encyclopedia Malazica says there is an unamed Elder Warren of the Sea...
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Posted 29 March 2006 - 10:21 PM
Shadowthrone and Cotillion are not to be underestimated at all. Their time spent in the Deadhouse and their journies therein has given them a unique prespective amongst Ascendants. I suspect they know far more about the cosmic scale of things and the true nature of the CGs threat than the average Ascendant who seem far more interested in their silly Ascendant games.
There's that line in a HOC chapter heading about the biggest threat to the CG not being Rake, Brood, Hood. But someone unnamed. And its always been my supposition that ST and Cotillion are that threat.
There's that line in a HOC chapter heading about the biggest threat to the CG not being Rake, Brood, Hood. But someone unnamed. And its always been my supposition that ST and Cotillion are that threat.
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Posted 30 March 2006 - 07:00 AM
It's always been mine that it was Lady Envy 
but I think I already posted that in the crazy theories thread
but I think I already posted that in the crazy theories thread
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Posted 30 March 2006 - 10:38 PM
It was important that she wasn't at the last Chaining, I'll give you that.
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Posted 31 March 2006 - 09:20 AM
my apologies.... removed spoiler... wasn't thinking
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Posted 31 March 2006 - 09:46 AM
Osserc said:
well i don't know much but the encyclopedia Malazica says there is an unamed Elder Warren of the Sea...
should be Mael's then
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Posted 31 March 2006 - 10:19 AM
Could the Elder Warren of the Sea be Ruse (making it Mael's Warren)?
If my memory serves, there hasn't been a High Mage/powerful practitioner of Ruse for centuries, and it is an extremely rare Warren in any case.
If my memory serves, there hasn't been a High Mage/powerful practitioner of Ruse for centuries, and it is an extremely rare Warren in any case.
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Posted 31 March 2006 - 10:23 AM
Ruse is written up as the Path of the Sea.... .. making it a human warren rather than Elder... but obviously there has to be an Elder Warren
