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What does Kurald mean? Do we know that?
Do we know what the Starvald and Omtose words mean?
If the Jaghut warren is Ice and the Tellan warren is Fire... Are there lightning and earth warrens as well to round out the traditional four way elemental chart? Or are there more, like water and wind?
I just finished HOC and though everybody said it was not as good as some others I thought it was great.
I'm really glad they explained the Tanno song and what was going on at Moon's Spawn from the end of MOI.
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Posted 10 February 2006 - 10:48 PM
i dont think theres a lightning warren, and i think tennes is vaguely earth aspected (d'riss is stone, thats kinda like earth) but i wouldnt really expect erikson to put in warrens "just to meet the 4 element standard"
i dont think its ever stated what those words mean, i always just link kurald with tiste.
i dont think its ever stated what those words mean, i always just link kurald with tiste.
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 11:24 AM
I dont think that kurald or starveld mean any thing.
Also i remember reading a thread that
Tlan Imass-fire
Jaghut-ice
Forkrul Assail-earth(remember they are the embodiment of balance and nature always seeks a balance
KCCM -wind (more than likely. skykeeps kinda suggest that)
Also i remember reading a thread that
Tlan Imass-fire
Jaghut-ice
Forkrul Assail-earth(remember they are the embodiment of balance and nature always seeks a balance
KCCM -wind (more than likely. skykeeps kinda suggest that)
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 01:49 PM
Actually, Gothos forwarded a very good theory about the KCCM magic being gravity aspected. Think the whole discussion went with the change of host
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 01:59 PM
In DhG Icarium reads from his time machine and says its written in "ancient Omtose" so make of that wat you will
probably what they used to call themselves not the "human" term for them or somthing *shruggs*
probably what they used to call themselves not the "human" term for them or somthing *shruggs*
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Why dont they make the whole plane out of that black box stuff?
Why dont they make the whole plane out of that black box stuff?
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Posted 13 February 2006 - 06:39 AM
Yes but none of the are elder warrens. Maybe they all degenerate from elder warrens but thats what were trying to find out(on BH threads page) so i think KCCM is wind(powerful wind could create skykeeps in theory)
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Posted 13 February 2006 - 10:02 PM
tiam said:
powerful wind could create skykeeps in theory
I don't like the sound of that, I preffered the idea of KCCM being gravity aspected. Although the way I saw it was being a more raw form of power, kind of like chaos, but if it was wind you'd of thought there would of been occurances with something more specific to it. The pannion seer needed it for its raw power, is wind that hardcore? Just speculating.
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Posted 13 February 2006 - 11:28 PM
Actually Tellan became T'ellan with the ritual and changed its aspect from fire (life) to ash.
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Posted 14 February 2006 - 04:18 PM
er not quite. the imperial warren has no aspect it is the land that K'rul removed after Kallor destroyed it (all in MoI prologue)
T'ellan is still fire aspected its just lost its "life" after the ritual
T'ellan is still fire aspected its just lost its "life" after the ritual
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Posted 15 February 2006 - 07:19 PM
i always got the idea that some warrens related to specific elder gods.
SD=Tiam
KG=Mother Dark
KT=Father Light
Ruse=Mael
Ice(Omotose Phellack)=Nightchill
i cant think of anything for Kilamandaros except perhaps Fire or Hood's Warren (i think it more likely for him to be hood than for a Jaghut)
there were lots more elder gods but they died in the fall and perhaps their warren was subverted by 1 of the New Gods.
eg it seems likely that there was an elder warren of stone with amgic existing in the psuedo-neolithic period surrounding the imass and ere's but the name D'riss evokes linkages with the god(dess) D'rek( plus mammot used it and he was apriest of D'rek)
SD=Tiam
KG=Mother Dark
KT=Father Light
Ruse=Mael
Ice(Omotose Phellack)=Nightchill
i cant think of anything for Kilamandaros except perhaps Fire or Hood's Warren (i think it more likely for him to be hood than for a Jaghut)
there were lots more elder gods but they died in the fall and perhaps their warren was subverted by 1 of the New Gods.
eg it seems likely that there was an elder warren of stone with amgic existing in the psuedo-neolithic period surrounding the imass and ere's but the name D'riss evokes linkages with the god(dess) D'rek( plus mammot used it and he was apriest of D'rek)
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Posted 15 February 2006 - 07:22 PM
what fall? the fall of the CG? that killed the circle of mages, not Elder Gods.
(and even if they had died then, it wouldn't have destroyed their warrens. not that the warrens are linked to the Elder Gods in any apparent way, barring, you know, K'rul)
(and even if they had died then, it wouldn't have destroyed their warrens. not that the warrens are linked to the Elder Gods in any apparent way, barring, you know, K'rul)
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Posted 17 February 2006 - 11:51 PM
@ Dolorous: Imean that if the Elder gods are dead then perhaps a New God can make use of the recently vacated warren.
If all the warrens exist in K'rul then what would happen to the Dragons on Starvald Demelain. And why if K'rul disappeared did the warrens not go with him.
If all the warrens exist in K'rul then what would happen to the Dragons on Starvald Demelain. And why if K'rul disappeared did the warrens not go with him.
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Posted 18 February 2006 - 10:44 AM
I think K'rul gives order to the warrens in some way. if he was die/cease existing the warrens wouldn't be destroyed...I think they would somehow fall back towards chaos. what this would do to magic users I can't imagine, it'd probably mess up the human warrens the most.
but the warrens existed before K'rul, presumably they would continue after him.
just in an altered state.
and we've got no reason to think any of the Elder Gods are dead (excepting Nightchill).
but the warrens existed before K'rul, presumably they would continue after him.
just in an altered state.
and we've got no reason to think any of the Elder Gods are dead (excepting Nightchill).
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Posted 18 February 2006 - 11:51 AM
Nightchill isn't really dead though iirc. 
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 04:32 AM
It is one of my theories about the Elder Gods (or at least K'rul), that they are immortal in the meaning of 'cannot be killed at all'. Sure, Draconus is discorporated and dragging a wagon within a certain sword, but he's still there. Sure, the Sister of Cold Nights was rent to pieces, but large pieces of her mind remain. K'rul returned from the deepest reaches of the primordial Chaos, just like that. They came from outside the Malazan world and though they can be changed in large ways by what happens inside, they remain part of the Outside as well.
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 09:57 AM
heheh... look at my sig.. 
it's what K'rul told Kruppe in GotM.
Nightchill wasn't "killed" by a mortal iirc.. she was rent into pieces by a kenryll'ah demon.
it's what K'rul told Kruppe in GotM.
Nightchill wasn't "killed" by a mortal iirc.. she was rent into pieces by a kenryll'ah demon.
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 12:42 PM
If I was me, which i'm pretty sure I am i'd sa something to the effect of: I was under the impression that gods are LITERALLY immortal ie unable to be killed. I always thought that if a god was 'killed' (for lack of a better word), they merley regressed to a sort of comatose state (for lack of a better word ). Krul never died he was more 'reanimated' in a sense, kinda like being pulled out of purgatory by a belief system.
Ish...
). Krul never died he was more 'reanimated' in a sense, kinda like being pulled out of purgatory by a belief system.Ish...
