[Svaran]

So how does the Ceda compare to other high mages that we've seen so far.


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If not for trull he would have in all liklihood defeated the Warlock King.

How does he compare to Tayschrann, Cowl, Loric, Quick Ben.


It is only at the end that you get a full picture of his abilities, crafty, well organised and extremely powerful.

And where does that leave the Cedance that "terrible voice of destiny" dormant? who is most likely to wield it next? who is going to be the next ceda? Surely not the warlock king..

[Hume]

Considering that Gothos' Ritual has now finally finished and melted in the magical fashion in that the land of Lether is now returning to the rest of the worl in the magical sense I dont think its relevant.

because of Gothos' ritual they stuck in the 'Holds' period..
Now they move out of it and mages will have access to warrens not hold magic as that is going away.

Who will be the next ceda ? probably character we havent met yet, though like I said we will be weilding warren magic..


What would Kuru Qan Rank as against the other mages in the series..
IMHO like this..
Same as Tayshrenn for sure because we know Tayschrenn is very powerful..
All we know of Cowl is that he was able to shut down a powerful Andi soletaken fairly easilly..
The only factor that showed how powerful loric was that he was able to create wards to change his appearance and hide his mind from the Whirlwind []goddess[/i], He was obviously hiding how powerful he really was I think, as he never displayed his power.
Quick ben is a little hard to determine his power..
Spindle notes how Quick Ben raised 7 demon illusions on the Coral battelfield and said that is damn hard to do.
Quick ben took down two powerful necromancers though was used once done with the,
Cotillion comments on quick ben in saying "too damn powerful"
Like Loric I suspect Quick hides how powerful he really is..
Though at this stage I would still put him slightly under Tay's

So answering how Kuru Qan stands up is a little more diffucult than one would think because of the nature of the mages your comparing him against and the relative lack of info we get on mages power...

[Imperial Historian]

The next ceda? Almost certainly Feather Witch in my opinion, the vast majority of the letheras mages with any power have been killed off fighting the Edur, and we know Feather Witch is extremley powerful... stronger than Uruth even whilst injured, and Uruth ranks as one of the most powerful Edur magic users, when she matures into her power she is going to be very powerful indeed.

compared to the other mages in the series I'd rank him alongside Tays as one of the most powerful human mages we have met.

[Illuyankas]

Remember that the Ceda had access to more than just his power, via the ritual he performed to funnel all the power of the Cedance through that tile, and himself. So not all of that was his personal power. But still, it was very cool to see such sorcery used openly anyway.

Oh, and Blend notes how Quick Ben raised 7 demon illusions on the Coral battlefield and said that is damn hard to do. Or was it 8? Just a fyi.

[fortyseven]

I just had two thoughts:

1)The Cedance Chamber will become a new Azath House.

2) Paran will use the DoD, in a similar way to the Ceda using the Cedance, against the CG.

[Morgoth]

correct me if i'm wrong, but did not QB draw on Hood's power during the battle of Coral? And he was able to defeat Bauchelain and Broch, not because he was more powerfull, but because he took them both by suprise. Meeting again, face to face QB would be ******. OFc, it is very unlikely that QB would allow such a scenario ever to come to pass but if it did...

On powerlevels alone, QB cannot compete with the 'big' guyes like Tays, the Ceda and so on. Or so I think anyways.

I kinda like the idea of feather witch becoming the new ceda, but is it plausible to think that the edur will allow such power to come into the hands of one of their slaves?

[Imperial Historian]

Whose to say FW is going to remain a slave much longer... considering her mistress is dead and shes just come into possesion of brys' finger I can see her escpaing the edurs grasp fairly soon.

And i'd agree with all your assements of QB

[Trotts]

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Meeting again, face to face QB would be ******. OFc, it is very unlikely that QB would allow such a scenario ever to come to pass but if it did...

maybe its just me, but its the fact that characters like qb, kruppe, tehol, all orchestrate everything so that they are never taken on surprize, and always have tricks and backups, and backups for their backups, and tricks for their back ups backups, and this makes them powerful.

if you take taht away, its kinda like saying, well what if i took away brys sword and gave him a wet noodle, would he still beat rhulad? prolly not, but it would never happen

[Svaran]

I thought it was mentioned that one of the ceda's mages survived and was holding up part of the Tiste Edur advance.

[Hume]

@ Svaran,
I think your right there..

@ morgoth.
I think Quick Ben was using Hoods power to hold of the infection of the warrens, not necessarilly to augment his own power.

[MottIrregular]

and here am i, trying to picture the mental image of Brys holding a wet noodle...

[Svaran]

Svaran said:

I thought it was mentioned that one of the ceda's mages survived and was holding up part of the Tiste Edur advance.

And he/she was described as being a rival of ceda whose power was almost equal to that of the ceda.

In a way he reminded me of that crazy professor from "back to the future"

[Dolmen 2.0]

The way I see it the strongest human mage is Kellenved because he ends up becoming a god and gained the service of in my opinion the third most powerful human mage Tayschrenn. Since Kell ascended though I'd say Silverfox is far stronger than Tayschrenn so I think The ceda fits slightly below those two followed by QB as he is the possesor of more than your average array of warrens.

In terms Of mage power you have to weigh the pure unbridled power against the complex intricate control of it and so far the one with the most impressive display of sheer strength has to be Taychrenn but I think his upstaged by Silverfox in her ability to undo Such a huge ritual as the tellan bond to the Imass.

I'm thinking the Ceda may have been stronger than Tay in complexity but who cares about that...?

[Morden]

Svaran said:

And he/she was described as being a rival of ceda whose power was almost equal to that of the ceda.

In a way he reminded me of that crazy professor from "back to the future"

You're right. The mage was a rival of the Ceda who was imprisioned at the island of Second Maiden Fort. He was powerful enough that he and a few hundred prisoners were able to stop the Edur in their tracks. It was only mentioned in passing, but its just another one those things that SE gets you thinking about. The premise would make a good novella in itself.

[garden_rake]

cue next erikson novella on the green pig, his capture, imprisonment and subsequent whooping of the edur.... yes please

i think bauchelin has to be up there also, he's not only an incredibly powerful sorcerer but he can fight as well (good enough to fend off an undead k'ell hunter). QB would struggle to come out on top if they both went at it fairly, he can summon some of the most powerful demons and permanently bind them, and after reading BF and THD he is just so damn cool :cool:

[Tes'thesula]

i don't think it is Green pig. Green pig is the mage who tried to rob the tolls repository or whatever and ended up being chopped to pieces or something...I once thought it was the pig man who was holding off the edur, but on a reread of MT, i don't think it is, don't have the books with me, but i someone looks for the bit where tehol and shurq are thinking about robbing the tolls, it will be there

[Monoch Ochem]

@ Hume: QB did use Hood’s warren but not to hold off the infection. He used its power because it was resisting the infection, though he risked crossing Hood. That’s how he came across Talamandas in the first place. Subsequently, QB seemed to be able to access all his warrens (including Hood’s) through Talamandas and his new Barghast Ascendants….or so I understand it.

@ Svaran & Hume: Which of the Ceda’s mages survived? I recall that there were 3 at the northern frontier launching that attack on the Edur villages. 2 died facing the sea demon: Arahathan and Nekal Bara. The third returned to his detachment at one of the forts. Is it him you’re referring to? Didn’t they all fall back to join Lether?

I thought the reference to Green Pig was only that he was legendary but had since been executed/exiled or something. Are we sure it’s not one of the Letherii rumours about false victories before the Edur arrived? I thought it was said that it was one of the 3 North mages (Nekal Bara?) who was nearly (or actually) the Ceda’s rival in power.

Kuru Quan’s powerful in his own right. When they launched the sorcerous attack on the Edur villages, the Ceda was working in conjunction with the other 3 from all the way back in Letheras. I’d venture that if they’d been able to unleash what they did then when it came to Hanan Mossag at Letheras, there’d be much more Edur damage, if not defeat. The remaining mages used the Empty Hold and, although it wasn’t enough, it was pretty darn powerful. The Edur mages definitely paid the price for using their chaotic sorcery but one of them was still destroyed by the Letherii sorcery. With the Ceda behind them, it seems like the only barrier to victory would have been the sea demon- which is why I suppose he had to deal with the demon on his own.

I think a mage’s power is reflected by how much power he can wield- what I mean is that Hanan Mossag was disfigured by the sorcery he used. The Ceda wielded something more powerful and he did so EASILY without being used up. Tayschrenn and all the others seem to ‘run out’ (Pale and Coral) sooner.

One more thing I’d venture: it seems the older, more raw sources are more powerful and are used by more powerful beings. So, for example, it’s the Elder races who can use the Elder warrens (or a very few newer powerful beings such as QB using Kurald Galain). As such, the Letherii mages (and the Ceda in particular) wielding from the Holds, which preceded the warrens, are probably stronger on average. Just a theory…..

Now to the matter of Feather Witch being the next Ceda, the title of Ceda belongs to the King of Letheras’ (high) mage. Letheras has no King. Letheras has now been annexed to the Edur empire and they have an emperor. I doubt Rhulad will adopt the Letherii structure (idiot though he is). Feather Witch doesn’t seem to be anywhere near the level of Kuru Quan. What I’d be wary of is her falling prey to the CG and becoming one of his minions.

[Hume]

@ Monoch

With your first statement thats basically what im saying.. That with the barghast gods power and also with the help of prodimately Hood, Quick wasnt infected with the poison(?) When using his 12 normal warrens.
Quick can normally access Hoods as well. And I thought Quic came accross Talamdas accidently.