[Jorram]

I don't think Locqui Wyval refers to a specific well-known Wyval. That bit of the prophecy almost surely concerns the Wyval possessing Udinaas.

Gate being Osserc is the most far-fetched on our list, however he should be put right there simply by virtue of all other places being already taken by more plausible persons. In fact, all but the Lady/Sister (which are either Menandore and Sukhul or Envy and Spite, i also place my guess on the former) are pretty straight-forward. Gate remains the only possible for Osserc (who sure must be on the list), and besides there is no one else who would fit. IMO raging with wild fire describes Kurald Thyrlan more than it does describe Osserc himself (who up until now has always been cold and restrained), but it's still a hint there.

As for the OD, the theory of Scabandari's soul being placed in the body of the OD most likely had its origins (if i recall correctly) in the bit Fear says about "The dragons spawned a child of indescribable horror to hunt down and take on Scabandari" - which was most popularly thought to refer exactly to the OD.

IMO though there is a little bit of mismatch between the Drift Avalii theory (which has always been REALLY far-fetched, there could be a HORDE of powerful sleeping beings not desirable to be awakened there, and the connection to the Throne of Shadow is not really convincing) and the OD theory. The OD resides in a pocket warren, contained in the Imperial Warren. It has nothing to do with Drift Avalii, so it is sort of impossible that both theories are true

[Tes'thesula]

Question: can the same person occupy two positions at once?

[garden_rake]

mjgill said:

Question: can the same person occupy two positions at once?

good question.... does rake count as that - as in knight of darkness and also possibly son of darkness - although i dont think thats a sanctioned role in high house dark

[Folken]

Son of Darkness is a title given to him that is all. Knight of High House of Dark is his position in the scheme of things. So far no evidence has been seen that one being can occupy more than 1 position at a time. Certainly it is possible, but with so many power houses out there, multiple positions would be frowned upon by them ascendants(and when ascendants frown tis not a good thing)
Now during a reading of the Deck of Dragons, once again no evidence to show this, but can't be possible in my opinion.

[Tes'thesula]

ok...if one person can't be two postions, than rake can't be both knights...of dark and dragons

[vaiski]

Jorram said:

IMO raging with wild fire describes Kurald Thyrlan more than it does describe Osserc himself (who up until now has always been cold and restrained), but it's still a hint there.

There is that bit in HoC where Osserc is described, think Hetan meant that.. or did you mean it also ?
"His eyes seemed to rage with an inner fire"

Not the most solid evidence, I agree.. but as you said, Osserc needs to be there.

[Iron Bars]

Dakkareth said:

I'm no linguist, but afaik 'tree' and 'crucifix' are not just similar but synonymous in this context.

I'm no linguist either but I don't see it. It's not even said that the crucifix is made of wood (if i recall correctly).

[Tes'thesula]

right..another question...do the people holding the positions in the hold of dargons have to be draconic? many people have assumed so, but i am not so sure...the positions seem to be thrust on those most suitable at the time...

it seems obvious and i guess we can only speculate...just something to keep in mind. i am aware that this might throw some people's theories into the air

[Tiste Simeon]

mjgill said:

right..another question...do the people holding the positions in the hold of dargons have to be draconic? many people have assumed so, but i am not so sure...the positions seem to be thrust on those most suitable at the time...

AFAIK, all the characters in the dragon hold are Draconic...
@Iron Bars & Dakkareth - Some manuscripts of the bible claim Jesus was crucified "on the tree" It could easily be the case that crucifix and tree are one and the same... It could be that Jesus' cross was a piece of wood nailed onto a tree... Well it is one theory anyway.

[Tes'thesula]

not as far as you know...as far as you can speculate... it cannot be dismissed out of hand...but i suppose thats what these threads are for (speculation, not dissmissing peoples ideas)...ah i can't wait for more books...roll on febuary (or march or whatever)

[Dolmen 2.0]

no I think you have to have a tie to the hold or house you are assigned to. but the prospect has potential personaly nothing comes to mind thats against a person ascending out of their "box", look at paran for example.

[Set'alahd Crool]

I think that Lether is an exception with regards to positions in the deck. Gothos' ritual had the unforeseen effect of closing that continent off from the rest of the world, in terms of sorcery. Now that the ritual has faded the holds probably won't apply there any more.

[Jorram]

The Holds existed in Letheras culture which came from the First Empire. So it's hardly Gothos' sorcery that the existance of the Holds there owes to.

And anyway, no one every cleared out when did the Holds pass into Warrens. In the prologue to MT itself, at least five Warrens are mentioned, instead of Holds. By the time of the First Human Empire, shouldnt Warrens already have been established?

[Folken]

You know for some odd reason, I keep thinking that those dragons didn't have flesh. They were just bones:Erm: To be fair I've only read DG once, but still...

[Tiste Simeon]

Set said:

I think that Lether is an exception with regards to positions in the deck. Gothos' ritual had the unforeseen effect of closing that continent off from the rest of the world, in terms of sorcery. Now that the ritual has faded the holds probably won't apply there any more.

Do you think that Dujek and co will be coming to Letheras now that "the way is open" as it were? It is possible you have to admit... I find it quite sad that BH might be the last time we say QB and them...