the chaining of the crippled god

#1 Trotts

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 06:04 PM

anyone have a general idea when this took place? whenever it crops up, i always think it happened a fairly long time ago, but in hoc, kalam mentions that cotillion was at the chaining...

""You damned fool, Cotillion. You were there at the last chaining, weren't you? You should have stuck a knife in the bastard right there and then.
Now I wonder, was Bellurdan there as well?"

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 06:10 PM

SE tells us there has been more than one chaining.
The last one happened in the last 70 - 100 years.

edit: see posts below..it wasn't that long ago at all!

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 06:12 PM

ahh i see, i see, thanks!

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 06:16 PM

More than one chaining? Of the same God, or many different Gods?

*tries to visualize various fallen gods chained to different parts of Burn's flesh, and fails*

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 06:17 PM

of the crippled god..

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 06:54 PM

Hetan...isn't it like 10years? We know Shadowthrone and Cottilion were present at the last chaining.

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 07:51 PM

Cotillion was, but I don't recall Kellanved being there.
It was longer than 10 years IIRC....
Dassem's daughter was killed so that's at least longer than Surly has been on the throne.
There's a lot more that points to it being at least 50 years. Have to dig around to find it

Something to do with the last Destriant of Fenner, and a comment by Fiddler

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 09:06 PM

if cotillion was there, i imagine shadowthorne was as well, and that suggests it was quite recent.

feels like more timeline errors, but since we know these errors exist i didnt wanna put it in, heh

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 09:36 PM

well even if The Rope of was there, then it had to be right after Dancer and Kell ascended. They wouldn't have participated if they weren't Ascendants so around 12-14years is resonable.

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 11:50 PM

only ascendants were present? does that bellurdan was an ascendant? although bellurdans presence was really only speculation by kalam

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 07:37 AM

Did the patron of assassins exist before Dancer took that position, because Cotillion could of been there but not Dancer making the timeline more appropriate.

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 07:44 AM

Jen said:

well even if The Rope of was there, then it had to be right after Dancer and Kell ascended. They wouldn't have participated if they weren't Ascendants so around 12-14years is resonable.

Nope...
Dassem's daughter was killed before K & D ascended....that's quite clear.
What makes you think they would have to be ascendants?
"The Last Mortal Sword of Fener's Reve was Fanald of Cawn Vor, who was killed in the chaining"..... .

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 07:50 AM

Folken is Right,

Kellanved/Cotillion only ascended about 11 years ago. So if they were at the last chaining it couldnt have occurred much longer than that ago.

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 08:09 AM

So lets try to work this timeline out logically....
Dassem's daughter was killed at the last chaining.. that's fact.
The chaining ocurred before NoK.. that's fact, because Dassem's daughter was already dead.... and from the way the book is written it seemed a fairly recent event.. perhaps a year ?
NoK is set prior to the prologue of GotM...
In that prologue Dassem was *dead* but K had not yet been killed by Surly, The ending of NoK is set just after GotM prologue which is around 1154?
Therefore Fiddlers comment of "that was years ago" in DG is a bit of a misleading statement.

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 08:23 AM

Danforth said:

Did the patron of assassins exist before Dancer took that position, because Cotillion could of been there but not Dancer making the timeline more appropriate.

He might have existed, but the name "Cotillion" is a pun with "Dancer" (Cotillion being a french dance and all) so even if such a position existed, the name would not be the same.

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 09:33 AM

Ok I stand corrected the 'Patron of Assassins' within High House Shadow.

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 09:46 AM

And even so the Shadow Realm was empty when Kelanved and Dancer found it, that's why they are its rulers now. So even if somewhere back in time there was a position "Patron of Assasins" (and I sincerely doubt that) it was long before the last chaining.

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 10:10 AM

Yeah but point is Rope was at the last chaining and that Mortal Sword still had some affiliation with a God whereas both Kell and Dancer were still outcasts. I clearly remember reading somewhere that both Kell and Dancer as new ascendants were part of the last chaining...wait...i thiink i read that on that Timeline thread someone created oh so very long ago...
But we know The Rope was at the last chaining from HoC...

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 10:29 AM

I was just saying that if it is impossible for Dancer to be at the chaining then it's possible that the Patron of Assassins, whom Dancer ascended into, was.

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 11:32 AM

Remember Mammot's book? The one Kruppe was reading(looking for his grandmother's name). It tells us that Dessembrae/Dassem broke from hood's service at the chaining. That fits with NoK, putting the chaining shortly before the battle at Y'ghatan. And if Dassem was there why wouldn't K&D be there too? Kellanved wouldn't want to miss so important an event.