[Tapper]

D, on 16 April 2021 - 04:01 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 16 April 2021 - 03:58 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 16 April 2021 - 03:46 PM, said:

Morgoth I am ready for early deals, game lasting deals if we can come to some sort of agreement. I thought I'd get in there before IH with all his colourful sentences and promises. You have history of blowing up his war suns, and I don't think he is the forgetful type. Like earlier when D'rek was talking about races and he threw out his Yin victory. Don't listen to the mastermind, harbor nice thoughts my way and we can make a nice friendship. You can recover your dreads quicker than he can his war suns

and breath

Why so anxious tatts, the muaat are a race all about friendship and trading, they just happen to also have a big stick if someone crosses them.

I thought our prior game of mutually beneficial alliance was a prime example of what I'd seek this game, and I've had such deals with both you and morgoth in the past so I'd hope that we can come to some fair agreements over potentially contentious planets.

Oh and for the board, my racial is on the table for suitably generous offers.

I have 2 red skips so if I decided to go for war suns I don't think there'd be much point in me trying to haggle for your faction PN. But I am interested in your alliance PN and am sure I can make it worth your while at some point.

Funny, that. I figured I was a yellow tech away from War Suns myself

[D'rek]

Tapper, on 16 April 2021 - 05:33 PM, said:

D, on 16 April 2021 - 04:01 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 16 April 2021 - 03:58 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 16 April 2021 - 03:46 PM, said:

Morgoth I am ready for early deals, game lasting deals if we can come to some sort of agreement. I thought I'd get in there before IH with all his colourful sentences and promises. You have history of blowing up his war suns, and I don't think he is the forgetful type. Like earlier when D'rek was talking about races and he threw out his Yin victory. Don't listen to the mastermind, harbor nice thoughts my way and we can make a nice friendship. You can recover your dreads quicker than he can his war suns

and breath

Why so anxious tatts, the muaat are a race all about friendship and trading, they just happen to also have a big stick if someone crosses them.

I thought our prior game of mutually beneficial alliance was a prime example of what I'd seek this game, and I've had such deals with both you and morgoth in the past so I'd hope that we can come to some fair agreements over potentially contentious planets.

Oh and for the board, my racial is on the table for suitably generous offers.

I have 2 red skips so if I decided to go for war suns I don't think there'd be much point in me trying to haggle for your faction PN. But I am interested in your alliance PN and am sure I can make it worth your while at some point.

Funny, that. I figured I was a yellow tech away from War Suns myself

Letnev don't need to bother unlocking war suns, the flagship is already one.

[Tapper]

D, on 16 April 2021 - 05:47 PM, said:

Tapper, on 16 April 2021 - 05:33 PM, said:

D, on 16 April 2021 - 04:01 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 16 April 2021 - 03:58 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 16 April 2021 - 03:46 PM, said:

Morgoth I am ready for early deals, game lasting deals if we can come to some sort of agreement. I thought I'd get in there before IH with all his colourful sentences and promises. You have history of blowing up his war suns, and I don't think he is the forgetful type. Like earlier when D'rek was talking about races and he threw out his Yin victory. Don't listen to the mastermind, harbor nice thoughts my way and we can make a nice friendship. You can recover your dreads quicker than he can his war suns

and breath

Why so anxious tatts, the muaat are a race all about friendship and trading, they just happen to also have a big stick if someone crosses them.

I thought our prior game of mutually beneficial alliance was a prime example of what I'd seek this game, and I've had such deals with both you and morgoth in the past so I'd hope that we can come to some fair agreements over potentially contentious planets.

Oh and for the board, my racial is on the table for suitably generous offers.

I have 2 red skips so if I decided to go for war suns I don't think there'd be much point in me trying to haggle for your faction PN. But I am interested in your alliance PN and am sure I can make it worth your while at some point.

Funny, that. I figured I was a yellow tech away from War Suns myself

Letnev don't need to bother unlocking war suns, the flagship is already one.

But three is usually better than one, and always numerically superior.

The tech question aside: that equidistant also packs 4 resources and 3 influence, which is significant.

[D'rek]

I don't know if technical equidistance really holds much weight in this map. Some players have 3 neighbours, some have only 1, it's not like there's an issue of "equidistance" between you and Morgoth for Everra or that Mecatol Rex half belongs to you because it's half "in your slice". The homeworlds are themed, and yours was themed as a safe chain of planets isolated behind empty space systems with a single connection into Can't Hold Them All. The theme clearly plops Lisis/Velnor as being part of my natural chain of planets in that regard since it's on my side of your "wall" of empty systems and directly connected to my homeworld; without it or even splitting it in half would put my resource/influence counts comparatively low in addition to not having the safety of only one neighbour like you. Your position is clearly intended to be the "super safe, so I can glob straight into Can't Hold Them All" layout.

[Morgoth]

Hey tatts, I am as always amendable to a mutual beneficial deal.

[Tapper]

You know better than most of us that being able to go beyond what the initial layout of a map suggests, is what leads to points scoring ,

Point 1. It is an equidistant which gives whomever holds it Dread 2/ Carrier 2/Grav drive reach to the other's HW. Neither of us likes to feel threatened, suggesting we come to a settlement.

Point 2: In addition, the tech planet and the shared planet type are good for objectives.

In other words: a deal over this system adds research/scoring opportunities for each of us while giving us both some sense of safety. Claiming the system as yours exclusively? It makes the emo goth elves feel sad and overlooked.

[Morgoth]

Tapper, on 16 April 2021 - 07:20 PM, said:

You know better than most of us that being able to go beyond what the initial layout of a map suggests, is what leads to points scoring ,

Point 1. It is an equidistant which gives whomever holds it Dread 2/ Carrier 2/Grav drive reach to the other's HW. Neither of us likes to feel threatened, suggesting we come to a settlement.

Point 2: In addition, the tech planet and the shared planet type are good for objectives.

In other words: a deal over this system adds research/scoring opportunities for each of us while giving us both some sense of safety. Claiming the system as yours exclusively? It makes the emo goth elves feel sad and overlooked.

You know what Emo Goth Elves like though? Buggs!

[Tattersail_]

Morgoth, on 16 April 2021 - 06:55 PM, said:

Hey tatts, I am as always amendable to a mutual beneficial deal.

What comes to mind is peace of mind for both of us from at least one of our sides.

I have a good chance at taking Hope's End round 1 but that is the furthest I'll venture in that direction. I'd be happy with the 17 influence/resources afforded to me in Hope's End, Arinan/Meer and Tarmann, corneeq and resculon.

Looking at what you have arnor, lor, new albion, star point, centauri and Gral that's 18 resources and influence.

If you see it differently then say?

We can draw the line at those Planets and swap SftT.

If you would like to further swap Alliance tokens then I'd be amenable.

Give me your thoughts and see if we can come up with a deal?

If IH wants to muscle in on our territory then we can see if we can prevent that together, however he could agree to the Planets up to Primor and that gives him 17 resources/influence.

[D'rek]

Tapper, on 16 April 2021 - 07:20 PM, said:

You know better than most of us that being able to go beyond what the initial layout of a map suggests, is what leads to points scoring ,

Point 1. It is an equidistant which gives whomever holds it Dread 2/ Carrier 2/Grav drive reach to the other's HW. Neither of us likes to feel threatened, suggesting we come to a settlement.

Point 2: In addition, the tech planet and the shared planet type are good for objectives.

In other words: a deal over this system adds research/scoring opportunities for each of us while giving us both some sense of safety. Claiming the system as yours exclusively? It makes the emo goth elves feel sad and overlooked.

Yes yes you certainly *can* put extraordinary resources into going after it if you choose to, but there's just no reason for it when the whole point of the map theme is that we are all supposed to stop Twelve from taking and holding all the systems that He Can't Hold Them All and the Rigel system does everything the Lisis/Velnor system does (4 r/i per round, 1 tech specialty) and better (an extra explore so more likelihood of attachments).

Wasting your first research on gravity drive and sending your only dreadnought across the void just to have it bogged down defending a system from me would just result in Twelve have a field day in the places we are supposed to be contesting him for. There's no reason for you to do it.

[twelve]

What system are you all arguing about anyway? I'm trying to infer which one by your discussions but I'm completely lost.

Also if we are talking deals. I'd be down with giving someone a Warfare move if they are willing to kamikaze a destroyer my way.

[D'rek]

twelve, on 16 April 2021 - 07:47 PM, said:

What system are you all arguing about anyway? I'm trying to infer which one by your discussions but I'm completely lost.

Also if we are talking deals. I'd be down with giving someone a Warfare move if they are willing to kamikaze a destroyer my way.

That can be arranged.

[twelve]

I just realized with the weird map layout what is the turn order? Clearly the standard circle doesnt work but I'd like to avoid the cluster fuck where I'm surrounded by two neighbors who gang up on me before I even get a move. Thankfully Gnaw isn't playing and Tatts is far away so I feel slightly better about it but I do have 3 neighbors to contend with so it's still likely to be an issue.

[D'rek]

I suppose the price will depend upon what strategy cards we get, and for that we'll need to know speaker order.

[D'rek]

twelve, on 16 April 2021 - 07:52 PM, said:

I just realized with the weird map layout what is the turn order? Clearly the standard circle doesnt work but I'd like to avoid the cluster fuck where I'm surrounded by two neighbors who gang up on me before I even get a move. Thankfully Gnaw isn't playing and Tatts is far away so I feel slightly better about it but I do have 3 neighbors to contend with so it's still likely to be an issue.

If you attach a straight line to the center tile and rotate it clockwise you get homeworld order of

Khell > Tatts > Morgoth > IH > Tapper > Twelve > D'rek

but if you attach the line to Mecatol Rex you get

Khell > Morgoth > Tatts > IH > Tapper > Twelve > D'rek

so I guess it's one of those.

[twelve]

D, on 16 April 2021 - 07:48 PM, said:

twelve, on 16 April 2021 - 07:47 PM, said:

What system are you all arguing about anyway? I'm trying to infer which one by your discussions but I'm completely lost.

Also if we are talking deals. I'd be down with giving someone a Warfare move if they are willing to kamikaze a destroyer my way.

That can be arranged.

I'd rather have the L1 or Cabal token but getting access to the Hacan Commander I can see myself having a strong agenda game. I'm still trying to figure out what exactly to do with this faction. I'm having a bit if buyers remorse. Not sure if it's for faction or location.

[Tattersail_]

What would you do with my token?

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 16 April 2021 - 08:03 PM, said:

What would you do with my token?

Have access to your commander. Increase my fleet size. For some reason I thought you were in 6 but its Tapper and he is playing Baroney right?

[Galactic Council]

twelve, on 16 April 2021 - 07:52 PM, said:

I just realized with the weird map layout what is the turn order? Clearly the standard circle doesnt work but I'd like to avoid the cluster fuck where I'm surrounded by two neighbors who gang up on me before I even get a move. Thankfully Gnaw isn't playing and Tatts is far away so I feel slightly better about it but I do have 3 neighbors to contend with so it's still likely to be an issue.

The "table order" that was used for the drafting of factions and starting positions will remain the table order. It should be pretty clear on the map once I get it uploaded!

[twelve]

So the Table order is homeworld spot 1 (me) then Homeworld spot 2 (Khell) then Homeworld spot 3 (Tatts), IH, Morgoth, Tapper, D'rek?

[D'rek]

twelve, on 16 April 2021 - 08:21 PM, said:

So the Table order is homeworld spot 1 (me) then Homeworld spot 2 (Khell) then Homeworld spot 3 (Tatts), IH, Morgoth, Tapper, D'rek?

No, he means it is:

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(Table Order) is: Drek > Tattersail > Khellendros > Twelve > Morgoth > Tapper > IH