[Blend]

Imperial Historian, on 01 February 2021 - 03:39 PM, said:

Blend, on 01 February 2021 - 02:33 PM, said:

That means I won't be paying for a free refresh IH, if you decided to take my offer of 1 TG for it, unless you are okay with me paying using my commodities AFTER the refresh.

I'll still do your trade agreement for 3TG, for a free refresh and that I'll use your trade agreement this round. You can still do commodity for TG swaps with Morgoth if that's what you are worried about.

You currently only have 1 TG.

[Imperial Historian]

Blend, on 01 February 2021 - 03:42 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 01 February 2021 - 03:39 PM, said:

Blend, on 01 February 2021 - 02:33 PM, said:

That means I won't be paying for a free refresh IH, if you decided to take my offer of 1 TG for it, unless you are okay with me paying using my commodities AFTER the refresh.

I'll still do your trade agreement for 3TG, for a free refresh and that I'll use your trade agreement this round. You can still do commodity for TG swaps with Morgoth if that's what you are worried about.

You currently only have 1 TG.

Yes but when I play trade I'll have 3 more TG and 3 commodities which I can use to buy your trade agreement as part of the turn when I give out refreshes.

[Blend]

Imperial Historian, on 01 February 2021 - 03:46 PM, said:

Blend, on 01 February 2021 - 03:42 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 01 February 2021 - 03:39 PM, said:

Blend, on 01 February 2021 - 02:33 PM, said:

That means I won't be paying for a free refresh IH, if you decided to take my offer of 1 TG for it, unless you are okay with me paying using my commodities AFTER the refresh.

I'll still do your trade agreement for 3TG, for a free refresh and that I'll use your trade agreement this round. You can still do commodity for TG swaps with Morgoth if that's what you are worried about.

You currently only have 1 TG.

Yes but when I play trade I'll have 3 more TG and 3 commodities which I can use to buy your trade agreement as part of the turn when I give out refreshes.

I don't understand why you don't just take 1 of my commodities in exchange for the refresh. It all comes out to exactly the same thing in the end, no?

[Imperial Historian]

I don't understand why you won't accept this deal, it still comes out exactly the same in the end but is binding

[twelve]

I'm passing on trade this round.

[Blend]

Imperial Historian, on 01 February 2021 - 04:14 PM, said:

I don't understand why you won't accept this deal, it still comes out exactly the same in the end but is binding

It makes everything more complicated for no reason. I've never broken a single deal I've made this game, and hardly ever in any previous games. You'd think that track record would speak for itself.

[Imperial Historian]

Blend, on 01 February 2021 - 04:25 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 01 February 2021 - 04:14 PM, said:

I don't understand why you won't accept this deal, it still comes out exactly the same in the end but is binding

It makes everything more complicated for no reason. I've never broken a single deal I've made this game, and hardly ever in any previous games. You'd think that track record would speak for itself.

It really isn't any more complicated, in my view it's simpler as the majority of the results from trading can be seen in the post of the person who plays trade. It's not a comment on your particular trustworthiness, it's just the best way to make sure all trade deals are binding. I like this way of doing trade and if it's the hill I have to die on fine.

[Blend]

Imperial Historian, on 01 February 2021 - 04:55 PM, said:

Blend, on 01 February 2021 - 04:25 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 01 February 2021 - 04:14 PM, said:

I don't understand why you won't accept this deal, it still comes out exactly the same in the end but is binding

It makes everything more complicated for no reason. I've never broken a single deal I've made this game, and hardly ever in any previous games. You'd think that track record would speak for itself.

It really isn't any more complicated, in my view it's simpler as the majority of the results from trading can be seen in the post of the person who plays trade. It's not a comment on your particular trustworthiness, it's just the best way to make sure all trade deals are binding. I like this way of doing trade and if it's the hill I have to die on fine.

I guess check in with me before playing Trade then, I'll see where we're at in the round and whether or not a free refresh is worth doing complicated trades with you.

My worry about this is that it doesn't guarantee you'll play the Trade Agreement right away, and it's not binding on YOU to do so. If you decide after having bought my agreement not to use it right away it gives me extra TGs to play with now, but then I have no control over when you decide to use it, which means that you could keep it to screw me in the next round or two when those extra TGs from a Trade refresh might actually be critical for a win.

[Imperial Historian]

Blend, on 01 February 2021 - 04:59 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 01 February 2021 - 04:55 PM, said:

Blend, on 01 February 2021 - 04:25 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 01 February 2021 - 04:14 PM, said:

I don't understand why you won't accept this deal, it still comes out exactly the same in the end but is binding

It makes everything more complicated for no reason. I've never broken a single deal I've made this game, and hardly ever in any previous games. You'd think that track record would speak for itself.

It really isn't any more complicated, in my view it's simpler as the majority of the results from trading can be seen in the post of the person who plays trade. It's not a comment on your particular trustworthiness, it's just the best way to make sure all trade deals are binding. I like this way of doing trade and if it's the hill I have to die on fine.

I guess check in with me before playing Trade then, I'll see where we're at in the round and whether or not a free refresh is worth doing complicated trades with you.

My worry about this is that it doesn't guarantee you'll play the Trade Agreement right away, and it's not binding on YOU to do so. If you decide after having bought my agreement not to use it right away it gives me extra TGs to play with now, but then I have no control over when you decide to use it, which means that you could keep it to screw me in the next round or two when those extra TGs from a Trade refresh might actually be critical for a win.

I honestly cannot ever see why this would be a good idea for me, TG now are always better than potential TG in the future, as I'd have no guarantee you'd refresh in the future and then people could then extort me for the refreshes. I will commit to playing your trade agreement this round if that helps. I will likely be playing trade this turn or next.

[Tattersail_]

Sounds complicated to be fair. Not sure I want to be involved at all.

[twelve]

Does Khell know it's his turn?

[Khellendros]

twelve, on 01 February 2021 - 06:45 PM, said:

Does Khell know it's his turn?

Yes! Been a busy day, but getting to it now. Plus, you know, I've got like 20 objectives and a handful of mortal enemies I need to try and make up some kind of cohesive plan around now.

[Khellendros]

@ Morgoth: Will you keep to our trading partner deal and exchange commodities if I have them?

[Imperial Historian]

@blend will you let me use aetherstream to attack khell this turn on perimeter?

@twelve, if I agree to attack khells ships on perimeter will you agree to give me your ceasefire?

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 02 February 2021 - 07:49 AM, said:

@twelve, if I agree to attack khells ships on perimeter will you agree to give me your ceasefire?

You know it's the right move for you to do and you know where my focus is already. Why do you demand I make myself vulnerable for doing something that is already in your best interest? And for me to have a shot at Rex that fleet of Khell's needs to be dealt with immediately. That is why you even brought it up. Right. You know how easy it will be for him to counter me. We have to work together. I'm leaving myself vulnerable to you and Blend to do my part and I haven't asked for your ceasefire. So no, I'm not giving it to you just to attack Perimiter.

[Imperial Historian]

Also blend your lone cruiser is in position to allow khell to score his flagship PO and set himself up for the occupy the outer rim objective, let's at least try to make it hard for khell to score multiple objectives with one move.

Morgoth, since khell is in position to take one of your homeworlds, score a VP, set himself up for a status phase SO and the outer rim PO I will withdraw my request for you to play tech first round.

[Tattersail_]

I don't think Khell will lose SftT from Morgoth and he'll have concerns with your warsun. I think Morgoth is safe

[Tattersail_]

Khell could have unexpected action so I was going to upgrade my cruisers first turn so he won't think about Mallice or Lodor.

[Tattersail_]

The Southern Alpha wormhole has lots of options for Khell to go through too. Unexpected Action and he can score that SO against Blend.

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 02 February 2021 - 08:11 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 02 February 2021 - 07:49 AM, said:

@twelve, if I agree to attack khells ships on perimeter will you agree to give me your ceasefire?

You know it's the right move for you to do and you know where my focus is already. Why do you demand I make myself vulnerable for doing something that is already in your best interest? And for me to have a shot at Rex that fleet of Khell's needs to be dealt with immediately. That is why you even brought it up. Right. You know how easy it will be for him to counter me. We have to work together. I'm leaving myself vulnerable to you and Blend to do my part and I haven't asked for your ceasefire. So no, I'm not giving it to you just to attack Perimiter.

Because you atracking rex ultimately benefits you with more potential VP, me attacking perimeter just exposes my warsun and doesn't put me any closer to scoring a PO.

Since no one seems interested in trade I need something to make it worth my while as I'll need to leave my territory vulnerable.

Since I acknowledge khell is running away with the game I'm willing to consider it but I need some support from everyone else.