[twelve]

Did not expect that to happen. Give me a second. Now I've got to think on what to do

[twelve]

Tatts I had zero desire to take your homeworld. I just want to score the 3 tech specialty objective. I can probably still do that but now I cant leave Tar'man open for you to take next round.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 09 November 2020 - 02:14 PM, said:

Tatts I had zero desire to take your homeworld. I just want to score the 3 tech specialty objective. I can probably still do that but now I cant leave Tar'man open for you to take next round.

I said as much in my inbox, but I cannot just leave myself open like that.

[twelve]

So Tatts its let's make a deal time. I'm only planning on refreshing you this round if we can come to an accord. Here is my offer. You play leadership first round I bring in my carrier with 1 infantry to Tar'man and I use my Warsun to take the blue specialty planet. You dont attack me in either of those places and you arent contested in Rex. We both get our point for the round. I will vacate both planets first move next round so you wont need to worry about me attacking you. If you dont like it feel free to counter.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 09 November 2020 - 02:25 PM, said:

So Tatts its let's make a deal time. I'm only planning on refreshing you this round if we can come to an accord. Here is my offer. You play leadership first round I bring in my carrier with 1 infantry to Tar'man and I use my Warsun to take the blue specialty planet. You dont attack me in either of those places and you arent contested in Rex. We both get our point for the round. I will vacate both planets first move next round so you wont need to worry about me attacking you. If you don't like it feel free to counter.

I am open to making a deal. I cannot play leadership first turn, as my first move is to build in Jord. I think one of the other three will take Rex before me so I'm not even contemplating moving there.

You give me a refresh and I will not contest you this round over Tar'mann or Thibah.

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 09 November 2020 - 02:10 PM, said:

Blend, on 09 November 2020 - 01:47 PM, said:

JeeZ, so sorry bout the messup. Taking the space dock off is definitely what I would have done in this case. So sorry about that!

I honestly think this is wrong even though this is the easiest way to handle it as Construction was the second secondary to be played. This mistake should have cost him 3 planets. Warfare was played near the end of the round. That has a huge impact on the game.i dont think I'm going to formally object but would like to hear what D'reks take on this is.

I can see your point, if we'd caught it at the time I'd have said Blend can't play warfare as he has no CT, it just winds back a hell of a lot (and really punishes blend)

[D'rek]

twelve, on 09 November 2020 - 02:10 PM, said:

Blend, on 09 November 2020 - 01:47 PM, said:

JeeZ, so sorry bout the messup. Taking the space dock off is definitely what I would have done in this case. So sorry about that!

I honestly think this is wrong even though this is the easiest way to handle it as Construction was the second secondary to be played. This mistake should have cost him 3 planets. Warfare was played near the end of the round. That has a huge impact on the game.i dont think I'm going to formally object but would like to hear what D'reks take on this is.

Ew I'm agreeing with Twelve

But yeah, going back 4 whole turns to retcon a misplay seems a bit excessive?

I don't feel that bothered by it because it's just the first round... but then again I'm across the map so probably biased that way into not minding and if I was adjacent to Blend would I still feel the same way...

[Blend]

I think it's pretty obvious by all the stall actions I did that the whole goal of my round was to stall until I could warfare secondary and take the 3 planets in the 2 systems.

I forgot to remove a CT when I did the Tech secondary, which made me think I had one to spare when the Constructions secondary came around. Had I done it properly, I would have known that I needed to keep 1 for Warfare secondary and not used the Construction secondary.

Had I not had a CT left to use Warfare, I wouldn't have wasted 2 of the 3 CTs I used on stall actions (I would still have done the one with the Fleet Tokens action card), so I'd have 2 additional Tactical Tokens in my supply. I think it's much easier to just take away my Space Dock than to walk back the whole round because of an error. I'll do whatever Morgoth wants me to do, though. *shrugs*

[Imperial Historian]

Yeah I guess going by the fact that I can't move my cruiser where I intended due to a mistype, then we should just go back to the point where warfare is not played and blend can choose to continue or stop there?

I'm not eager to do that though as it screws Blend up, and probably messes up the entire flow of the game. We've generally had a mulligan rule where you can rectify one obvious mistake, this seems to fit within that. But that's blends mulligans done.

[Blend]

Hmm, though I see that Tech came after Construction.

I'm not certain what the fuck I was thinking - in my head I must have been thinking that Tech secondary didn't cost me a CT as Jol-Nar or something.

Gods, I'm really sorry guys - as I said, my whole plan this round was to get infantry into those 3 systems, so the space dock would be what I would walk back were I given the choice, but I'll abide by whatever Morgoth wants me to do. It'd be nice if I could get through a game without a game-crippling fucking mistake though.

[Imperial Historian]

Blend, on 09 November 2020 - 02:50 PM, said:

I think it's pretty obvious by all the stall actions I did that the whole goal of my round was to stall until I could warfare secondary and take the 3 planets in the 2 systems.

I forgot to remove a CT when I did the Tech secondary, which made me think I had one to spare when the Constructions secondary came around. Had I done it properly, I would have known that I needed to keep 1 for Warfare secondary and not used the Construction secondary.

Had I not had a CT left to use Warfare, I wouldn't have wasted 2 of the 3 CTs I used on stall actions (I would still have done the one with the Fleet Tokens action card), so I'd have 2 additional Tactical Tokens in my supply. I think it's much easier to just take away my Space Dock than to walk back the whole round because of an error. I'll do whatever Morgoth wants me to do, though. *shrugs*

Construction secondary was before tech, so it's a pretty major error. I think this is mod's call. Possibly not being able to take mehar xull is the fairest option of being punishing but not too punishing.

[Tattersail_]

I think we should blow up Twelves War Sun because of Blends mistake. Would this be okay for everyone? I jest.

I'm okay with the spacedock not being built. It's obvious Blend wanted to use warfare.

This post has been edited by Tattersail_: 09 November 2020 - 03:11 PM

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 09 November 2020 - 02:34 PM, said:

twelve, on 09 November 2020 - 02:25 PM, said:

So Tatts its let's make a deal time. I'm only planning on refreshing you this round if we can come to an accord. Here is my offer. You play leadership first round I bring in my carrier with 1 infantry to Tar'man and I use my Warsun to take the blue specialty planet. You dont attack me in either of those places and you arent contested in Rex. We both get our point for the round. I will vacate both planets first move next round so you wont need to worry about me attacking you. If you don't like it feel free to counter.

I am open to making a deal. I cannot play leadership first turn, as my first move is to build in Jord. I think one of the other three will take Rex before me so I'm not even contemplating moving there.

You give me a refresh and I will not contest you this round over Tar'mann or Thibah.

I can live with that

[Blend]

Realistically if we walked the game back to when I used the Tech secondary, I would just not use the Tech secondary - that's another potential solution, though it would remove Gravity Drive from Twelve and thus he wouldn't have been able to get to A/M.

I dunno, I feel horrible about this.

At any rate, I won't be choosing a Strategy until Morgoth confirms how we will proceed - how we deal with this mistake will definitely affect what Strategy I decide to choose.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 09 November 2020 - 03:10 PM, said:

I think we should blow up Twelves War Sun because of Blends mistake. Would this be okay for everyone? I jest.

I'm okay with the spacedock not being built. It's obvious Blend wanted to use warfare.

Like I said I'm not going to object to removing the space dock as the only other option would be for Blend not to tech and I clearly dont want that to happen. I'm okay just moving on with how Morgoth initially ruled. But if Blend wins I'm going to put an asterisk by it

This post has been edited by twelve: 09 November 2020 - 03:34 PM

[D'rek]

Blend, on 09 November 2020 - 03:15 PM, said:

Realistically if we walked the game back to when I used the Tech secondary, I would just not use the Tech secondary - that's another potential solution, though it would remove Gravity Drive from Twelve and thus he wouldn't have been able to get to A/M.

If a player misplays and then needs to retcon their past turn to fix it, the retcon should always be one that doesn't affect any other players' turns, unless there's no other possible way to fix it.

[Blend]

Yeah and I think that the Space Dock is the best way to do that, but I'll certainly abide by whatever Morgoth decides, whether it hurts my game or not - it's my mistake, after all.

[Imperial Historian]

What's the story regarding free refreshes twelve?

And would you be interested in a trade for your racial?

[Blend]

Imperial Historian, on 09 November 2020 - 04:05 PM, said:

What's the story regarding free refreshes twelve?

And would you be interested in a trade for your racial?

I was wondering who would be the first to ask him for his Racial. I hope he does the smart thing and keep his racial to himself.

[D'rek]

Blend, on 09 November 2020 - 04:12 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 09 November 2020 - 04:05 PM, said:

What's the story regarding free refreshes twelve?

And would you be interested in a trade for your racial?

I was wondering who would be the first to ask him for his Racial. I hope he does the smart thing and keep his racial to himself.

IH is the only one who could afford to build a war sun anytime soon anyway