[Blend]

twelve, on 17 September 2020 - 04:55 PM, said:

Or blend you can just pay me your trade agreement and I wont. The choice is yours.

I'm not giving you my Trade Agreement.

[Blend]

twelve, on 17 September 2020 - 04:52 PM, said:

Now that Tatts and Blend have committed IH if we can get Morgoth to join us and put all of our votes on the arbiter agenda I have an action card that adds 5 votes. That is enough to out vote blend and Tatts. If you two want to do this we can still win.

Welp - Morgoth - given this, I hope the deal we discussed this morning is still on the table. If not, then I'll maybe just have Tatts flip his votes over to FOR on the fleet agenda.

[twelve]

Blend, on 17 September 2020 - 05:05 PM, said:

twelve, on 17 September 2020 - 04:52 PM, said:

Now that Tatts and Blend have committed IH if we can get Morgoth to join us and put all of our votes on the arbiter agenda I have an action card that adds 5 votes. That is enough to out vote blend and Tatts. If you two want to do this we can still win.

Welp - Morgoth - given this, I hope the deal we discussed this morning is still on the table. If not, then I'll maybe just have Tatts flip his votes over to FOR on the fleet agenda.

You already paid Tatts to vote for the arbiter agenda so he cant vote on the fleet one.

[twelve]

Blend, on 17 September 2020 - 05:04 PM, said:

twelve, on 17 September 2020 - 04:55 PM, said:

Or blend you can just pay me your trade agreement and I wont. The choice is yours.

I'm not giving you my Trade Agreement.

What will you give me then?

[Blend]

twelve, on 17 September 2020 - 05:09 PM, said:

Blend, on 17 September 2020 - 05:05 PM, said:

twelve, on 17 September 2020 - 04:52 PM, said:

Now that Tatts and Blend have committed IH if we can get Morgoth to join us and put all of our votes on the arbiter agenda I have an action card that adds 5 votes. That is enough to out vote blend and Tatts. If you two want to do this we can still win.

Welp - Morgoth - given this, I hope the deal we discussed this morning is still on the table. If not, then I'll maybe just have Tatts flip his votes over to FOR on the fleet agenda.

You already paid Tatts to vote for the arbiter agenda so he cant vote on the fleet one.

Agenda phase trades are not considered binding deals as Tatts can't immediately vote therefor he can't immediately resolve the trade. Technically votes would be resolved starting with the Speaker and going clockwise around the table. So technically only trades I did to you would create a binding deal during the agenda phase. Unless Drek rules otherwise.

[Blend]

twelve, on 17 September 2020 - 05:10 PM, said:

Blend, on 17 September 2020 - 05:04 PM, said:

twelve, on 17 September 2020 - 04:55 PM, said:

Or blend you can just pay me your trade agreement and I wont. The choice is yours.

I'm not giving you my Trade Agreement.

What will you give me then?

Nothing, I am pretty sure I can get this to go my way without giving you anything. I'm perfectly fine keeping a weak neighbour on one side.

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 17 September 2020 - 05:00 PM, said:

The cancel of debt and the wash is definitely worth my racial alone. Asking for a free refresh on top is just greedy.

Worth a shot, okay but if blend swaps out tech for a strategy I don't want to use the secondary for I'll wait until you have one I do.

[Blend]

Imperial Historian, on 17 September 2020 - 05:28 PM, said:

twelve, on 17 September 2020 - 05:00 PM, said:

The cancel of debt and the wash is definitely worth my racial alone. Asking for a free refresh on top is just greedy.

Worth a shot, okay but if blend swaps out tech for a strategy I don't want to use the secondary for I'll wait until you have one I do.

If it's any help, I won't.

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 17 September 2020 - 05:28 PM, said:

twelve, on 17 September 2020 - 05:00 PM, said:

The cancel of debt and the wash is definitely worth my racial alone. Asking for a free refresh on top is just greedy.

Worth a shot, okay but if blend swaps out tech for a strategy I don't want to use the secondary for I'll wait until you have one I do.

That's fair

[D'rek]

Blend, on 17 September 2020 - 05:15 PM, said:

Technically votes would be resolved starting with the Speaker and going clockwise around the table.

Since we are (officially) using Malaz House Rule #2, that's not true, technically or otherwise. Votes really are resolved "officially" simultaneously in this game.

If there wasn't a separate "timing window" for negotiations and trades in the agenda phase, though, it'd mean all players must immediately submit votes ASAP and no deals could be made, so clearly there must still be a "negotiation step" or similar. Generally-speaking, that would make all deals/transactions made during this time non-binding.

Not sure I'm 100% satisfied with that interpretation, and I'll need to think on it some more, but in this case either way I don't think it's that important. This is more a question of "can you change the (non-component) terms of a deal if all sides in the deal agree to the change" rather than whether the deal itself is binding or not. E.g. If you paid someone 3 TGs not to fire at your ships at the space cannon offense step of a tactical action, gave them the 3 TGs, and then said "Wait, you know what, shoot them after all!" - you definitely can't take your 3 TGs back, but if you and they agree that despite the TGs changing hands you both want to fire the PDS, can you do so after all?

Hence, for now and the rest of this game anyway, I'll rule that *if* Blend and Tatts both agree to it they can indeed change the terms of the non-component-related terms of their transaction up until the point of Tatts actually casting his votes. But it can't be retracted, only non-component terms changed. And if Tatts doesn't wish to change the terms he can insist on sticking to the original ones.

[Tattersail_]

How many left to vote Drek?

[Tattersail_]

How many times can the arbiter be used? Does it get renewed each status phase?

What strategy card are you after Blend? Maybe people will leave it for you anyway?

Twelve do you think I'll blockade you in Quann or something?

[twelve]

Well since it's a nonbinding trade, Still disagree but the ruling has been made, IH you and I can agree to me for arbiter and then just let Morgoth vote whichever way he feels most benefits him without him providing any input to the the rest of us. Then Tatts and Blend dont know which way to split/coordinate their votes. I think this way we can guarantee a win on one of the objectives with the possibility of getting both.

What do you think? Let's do the pn/tg trade once we figure this out.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 17 September 2020 - 07:47 PM, said:

How many times can the arbiter be used? Does it get renewed each status phase?

What strategy card are you after Blend? Maybe people will leave it for you anyway?

Twelve do you think I'll blockade you in Quann or something?

Tatts I'm full of shit. Haven't you figured it out yet? I'm just glad I got your knickers all in a bunch.

[Blend]

Tattersail_, on 17 September 2020 - 07:47 PM, said:

How many times can the arbiter be used? Does it get renewed each status phase?

What strategy card are you after Blend? Maybe people will leave it for you anyway?

Twelve do you think I'll blockade you in Quann or something?

The arbiter can only be used once, but it doesn't have to be used immediately.

This post has been edited by Blend: 17 September 2020 - 08:39 PM

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 17 September 2020 - 07:50 PM, said:

Well since it's a nonbinding trade, Still disagree but the ruling has been made, IH you and I can agree to me for arbiter and then just let Morgoth vote whichever way he feels most benefits him without him providing any input to the the rest of us. Then Tatts and Blend dont know which way to split/coordinate their votes. I think this way we can guarantee a win on one of the objectives with the possibility of getting both.

What do you think? Let's do the pn/tg trade once we figure this out.

Sounds good to me

[Blend]

I honestly just want to hear a bit more of what Morgoth is thinking before I finalize my vote - sucks that our timezones are so off, but there we are, sorry to hold things up.

[Tattersail_]

Blend, on 17 September 2020 - 09:15 PM, said:

I honestly just want to hear a bit more of what Morgoth is thinking before I finalize my vote - sucks that our timezones are so off, but there we are, sorry to hold things up.

By the by Blend, I don't mind you playing around with my votes. I'll leave a provisional with Drek to say put them where you want them. Unlike IH I don't mind either of these agendas. Morgoth likes to keep quiet about his votes.

[Imperial Historian]

Morgoth is a man of mystery.

Twelve I've put my votes in as I'll be busy tomorrow. Please post the trade when you are ready as we won't be able to do it after the agenda phase.

[Tattersail_]

IH if we swapped SftT and I took Lazar/Sakalug back that wouldn't affect it would it? As there are no ships in those systems?