[Karosis]

Desra, on 19 June 2020 - 09:17 PM, said:

well im going to voet you oir karat

What do you think about Ryadd? I note you haven't actually addressed that.

[Karosis]

Desra, on 19 June 2020 - 09:18 PM, said:

leabving into karat, you protectiong him

I am not protecting him. I wasn't given adequate reasons to vote him.

And the fact that I've been pushing the same case for 2 days and the only that commented on it is a guy who got lynched (and Kara, now) is also interesting.

[Hentos Ilm]

Hey all, I'm back and should be around through the end of day timer.

Part of me thinks we're never going to get anything useful out of Eldat until we lynch Karat and we should just go that way. We've also had trouble lynching him and sometimes that points to scum.

Then again, Ryadd fits the low-posting scum profile and isn't really helping the game other than showing up in a timely manner to help get a hammer.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 2 hours and 49 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Desra, Eldat Pressen, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Karosis, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 vote Karatallid: Eldat Pressen
2 votes Ryadd Eleis: Karosis, Karatallid

Players not voted: Desra, Hentos Ilm, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

[Hentos Ilm]

We should probably assume it's 2-2 right now with Ryadd likely to show up and vote for Karat because he always shows up at the 11th hour to vote and he's not going to vote for himself.

I don't think we're getting Eldat to switch, and Karat obviously won't swap. So it might come down to Desra, Trake, and me to hash this out.

[Karosis]

all right? I'm out. good luck, y'all

[Karatallid]

Not much happening I see. I'm gonna be around, and I'm all ears if anyone has a better case than Ryadd.

[Trake]

Shit, I didn’t realize we were almost out of time. I’m getting out my laptop now.

[Trake]

Ok, I reread the thread again and couldn't help but get my eye caught again on the Karosis/Kara/Nimander spat. At the time, I didn't pay it as much attention because I was annoyed about the smileygate, but I did agree with a couple of Nimander's points. Rereading that day keeping in mind that Nimander and Silchas both CFd town, puts some more interest on it.

Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 05:20 PM, said:

Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 05:04 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 04:45 PM, said:

Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 03:48 PM, said:

If you think Hentos' vote was nonsensical, would it not make more sense to vote Hentos himself?

No...because as I explained and as it has been clearly IGNORED. Voting for a symp is pointless.I said in my post where I voted that Hentos seems to be a symp derailing his masters (Karat) potential lynch train. What other objecting is there so blatantly defending Karat?Why not sort back and see how things unfold? This is what town should do.This isn't rocket science and the fact that people that are implicated in all this (YOU being one) are being so blatantly obtuse is telling.

Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 03:48 PM, said:

Atrahal made a symp "case" out of literally nothing. When he got called out on it, he didn't try to look elsewhere, did this weird "oops, I guess I'm wrong.. but I'll double down anyways in case I hit a nerve" type response. Need to go back and read some of the other's comments about the whole thing.

Naaa but he didn't tho. Symp signalling is a very standard thing...but people just jumped onto him way more aggressively than what is warranted. Even I asked atrahal why would someone signal back and was trying to figure out the logic...but others pounced and placed votes and the train quickly shifted before the thread even knew what was going on.The speed of how the train shifted, the reasoning behind the shift, How easily he was railroaded...ALL point to SOMETHING going on here when I was catching up.This "slip" is like chum in the water for scum. Scum don't have second thoughts about who they are gonna vote...they are not trying to figure stuff out. If there is a "weird" statement by someone they now is inno... they come in HARD, because its easy.So...This is what I think happened. Hentos come out and derailed the potential train on Karat. simple.You came out and didn't even question it and planted a vote on Atrhal without really caring. This is how it reads to me.Sure you all implicated is not gonna see it that way...I dont expect you to.What I Expect is anyone who IS TOWN to see simple logic and reason and vote accordingly.

The underlined: yeah, symps "signal". and 90 % of the time neither town nor scum catch it. Symp cases are (generally) BS. I say this every single game, and I'm not gonna stop now. I understand that your argument is "people are deflecting from Kara". The problem is... if the "case" on him was BS, then saying it was BS isn't "deflecting",, it's calling the BS out. if you're scum, and someone votes you for a dumb reason, you're not gonna sit and analyze "is this a purposefully weak vote that's supposed to get any case against me dismissed -and is therefore, a "signal"... or is this idiot just drawing attention to me for no reason". You don't signal with votes. Scum treat every vote as hostile. So Tatt's case was dumb. That being said, a lot of people are using dumb logic. not much to say about that.

There is a big difference between calling out a bad symp signaling case. And literally derailing a vote train onto the person for simply doing a symp signal case. Some people pointed it out but wants clarity. Others just voted and didn’t seem to care. I can only go by what I’ve read on the thread after all.This happened last Match. SOMETIEMS people get lucky with a symp signal case and then people panic. And attack back. This happens a lot. While it is not bullet proof. It can’t be ignored.Here when I caught up... seeing how badly certain people attack atrahal, for something so mundane FOR ME IS TELLING. So I have to look hard at it.This is the crux of it.Then you have the issue of Hentos voting for his target... the “SYMP”.I mean really?I cannot ignore this. Symps usually make the most noise about symps. But one rule I think he forgot was YOU DONT VOTE A SYMP. Logically I can only assume he was derailing the two votes on Karat.That’s that... there is no point in me arguing this with the people I think are involved. So I’ll leave it at that.

I think that based on the thread and lynch/kills that Nimander was onto something. I see Karosis and Kara as a pair. I was happy to vote Karosis yesterday, but I will be happy to vote Kara today.

vote karatellid

I'm not keen on following either of their votes.

[Trake]

Desra, on 19 June 2020 - 08:10 PM, said:

so just flicking through the vote counts and vote posts in regard Karat

Day 1 - only eldat and Atra drop a vote on Karat

day 2 - Nim, Sil and Eldat

not really sure what i'm taking from this

it very difficult not to get sucked down a rabbit hole when scanning through looking at one player and reading like far too much into every interaction.

I've now convinced myself its Karat and Karo booming together. Nimander and Emur had both thrown subtle shade at Karosis and ended up deaded. Nim also threw considerable weight at Karat day 2

also Karosis' vote on Atraha

Karosis, on 16 June 2020 - 02:01 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 15 June 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

Hmm

Vote Karatallid

For their friendly interaction so far. Lovely quoting of each other and an "I see you" vote from the symp Eldat.

A signal vote? from a symp? in a 6 votes to lynch situation?

Ionno what you're smoking, but the golden rule is "symps never vote scum"

vote Atrahal

when skimming through it looked, at a glance as quite agressive.

coupled with his response to Nimanders vote on Karat:

Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 03:40 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 09:17 AM, said:

Ok doing a proper read of the game so far.

Hentos Ilm, on 16 June 2020 - 04:59 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 15 June 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

Hmm

Vote Karatallid

For their friendly interaction so far. Lovely quoting of each other and an "I see you" vote from the symp Eldat.

Do you really think there are that many amateurs in this game?

Vote Atrahal

Your behavior is, itself, symp-like, but more in the "cause general chaos" sense than sidling up to a master.

Hentos Suddenly jumps in and attacks Atrahal for making (what I consider) standard pokes.
What I didn't like is the fact that Hentos doenst even consider the fact that Atrahal could be correct and blatantly defends Kara and Eldat.
Seems like a forced and out of the blue attack to me.

The hypocrisy of this accusation is rather interesting.
Hentos also seems to then be fixated on symping. The very thing he is accusing Atrahal of being.
Which in of itself is very symp like behaviour because you cause confusion when you use it as an excuse for erratic play and cant "prove" someone is a symp by lynching them.
You need to find their master...SO... who was Atrahal symping here?
No one that I can see, and clearly no one Hentos can see because thats not his argument, he took the easy route by simply shouting "SYMP"
How convenient.


But the most damning thing he apparently thinks Atrahal is a symp...yet proceeds to vote the SYMP. How does that help?

So if Hentos is a symp here (which I think is likely). My bet is he is protecting either Kara or Eldat.

Vote Karatallid

The problem with a "standard poke" is numbers. when it only takes 6 to lynch, making it L-4 is a statement, not just a joke.

Nim laughs this off (rightly) L-4 is like 2 votes. But what caught me here is karosis jumping into the conversation with nim, trying to derail nims line of attack.


like I said, I get tunnel visioned when I go down the rabbit hole very easily, and all I can see when flicking through is more confirmaion of this connection.

going to sit back and finish my poker game and beer and come back with fresh eyes in a bit

Missed this, but I'm tracking the same direction. This is what you get for posting before you finish reading.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 1 hour and 4 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Desra, Eldat Pressen, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Karosis, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 votes Karatallid: Eldat Pressen, Trake
2 votes Ryadd Eleis: Karosis, Karatallid

Players not voted: Desra, Hentos Ilm, Ryadd Eleis

[Desra]

Heref cat hi my uo

[Karatallid]

Trake, on 19 June 2020 - 11:00 PM, said:

Ok, I reread the thread again and couldn't help but get my eye caught again on the Karosis/Kara/Nimander spat. At the time, I didn't pay it as much attention because I was annoyed about the smileygate, but I did agree with a couple of Nimander's points. Rereading that day keeping in mind that Nimander and Silchas both CFd town, puts some more interest on it.


I think that based on the thread and lynch/kills that Nimander was onto something. I see Karosis and Kara as a pair. I was happy to vote Karosis yesterday, but I will be happy to vote Kara today.

vote karatellid

I'm not keen on following either of their votes.

Not even a little onto something my man. I'd be happy to prove it to you. As mentioned a couple of pages back, I'm not so sure about Karosis. If you want information, won't that be more useful to know, than just lynching someone blindly? I completely agree with the case on Ryadd, but that doesn't mean the Ks' are two peas in a pod.
So if you really believe this bullshit, lets put it to the test and lynch Karosis instead, because I'm not it.

[Karatallid]

Desra, on 19 June 2020 - 11:13 PM, said:

Heref cat hi my uo

Dude don't tell me you're drunk. The last thing we need right now my dude.

[Trake]

Karatallid, on 19 June 2020 - 11:14 PM, said:

Trake, on 19 June 2020 - 11:00 PM, said:

Ok, I reread the thread again and couldn't help but get my eye caught again on the Karosis/Kara/Nimander spat. At the time, I didn't pay it as much attention because I was annoyed about the smileygate, but I did agree with a couple of Nimander's points. Rereading that day keeping in mind that Nimander and Silchas both CFd town, puts some more interest on it.


I think that based on the thread and lynch/kills that Nimander was onto something. I see Karosis and Kara as a pair. I was happy to vote Karosis yesterday, but I will be happy to vote Kara today.

vote karatellid

I'm not keen on following either of their votes.

Not even a little onto something my man. I'd be happy to prove it to you. As mentioned a couple of pages back, I'm not so sure about Karosis. If you want information, won't that be more useful to know, than just lynching someone blindly? I completely agree with the case on Ryadd, but that doesn't mean the Ks' are two peas in a pod.
So if you really believe this bullshit, lets put it to the test and lynch Karosis instead, because I'm not it.

If you are game to lynch your partner then I am happy to help.

[Karatallid]

Trake, on 19 June 2020 - 11:16 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 19 June 2020 - 11:14 PM, said:

Trake, on 19 June 2020 - 11:00 PM, said:

Ok, I reread the thread again and couldn't help but get my eye caught again on the Karosis/Kara/Nimander spat. At the time, I didn't pay it as much attention because I was annoyed about the smileygate, but I did agree with a couple of Nimander's points. Rereading that day keeping in mind that Nimander and Silchas both CFd town, puts some more interest on it.


I think that based on the thread and lynch/kills that Nimander was onto something. I see Karosis and Kara as a pair. I was happy to vote Karosis yesterday, but I will be happy to vote Kara today.

vote karatellid

I'm not keen on following either of their votes.

Not even a little onto something my man. I'd be happy to prove it to you. As mentioned a couple of pages back, I'm not so sure about Karosis. If you want information, won't that be more useful to know, than just lynching someone blindly? I completely agree with the case on Ryadd, but that doesn't mean the Ks' are two peas in a pod.
So if you really believe this bullshit, lets put it to the test and lynch Karosis instead, because I'm not it.

If you are game to lynch your partner then I am happy to help.

As I said, you're barking up the wrong tree.

remove vote
Vote karosis

[Karatallid]

I did an observation on Karosis back on page 3 that is just as valid now, and I was gonna look at it closer after the Ryadd business anyway.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 49 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Desra, Eldat Pressen, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Karosis, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 votes Karatallid: Eldat Pressen, Trake
1 vote Ryadd Eleis: Karosis
1 vote Karosis: Karatallid

Players not voted: Desra, Hentos Ilm, Ryadd Eleis

[Trake]

Karatallid, on 19 June 2020 - 11:22 PM, said:

I did an observation on Karosis back on page 3 that is just as valid now, and I was gonna look at it closer after the Ryadd business anyway.

Is this the post?

Karatallid, on 17 June 2020 - 02:53 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 12:20 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 17 June 2020 - 11:33 AM, said:

How did I go full attack mode? I'm honestly curious how you came to that conclusion. I voted for Atrahal but so did others, and it was a valid lynch IMO considering the weird behavior it was prompted by. You might disagree, but at least explain why you disagree. Don't just make stuff up to sound like you know what you're doing. (oh no a smiley face, how dangerous!)

Meant Hentos and Karososis.my point still stands.Im on meds and be mixing up my names.

Okay fair enough, but my question still stands - generally in mafia you want to actually back up accusations, otherwise you might aswell be scum for how much good it does. Just attacking people and making up stuff because you're scared of being attacked yourself is just lame. I stand by the Atrahal lynch, as I think it was warranted at the time. There's a difference between claiming the lynch was wrong in hindsight, and actually making an observation based on how people was acting and what they said before the lynch. You said Atrahal was making standard pokes which I agree with, but then he acted weirdly IMO by backtracking as soon as some pressure happened. I wouldn't personally vote on someone just because they prodded, and didn't this time either. The karosis angle interests me, since Emurlahnis had a vote for him also. If we look at this post for instance:

Karosis, on 16 June 2020 - 02:01 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 15 June 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

Hmm Vote KaratallidFor their friendly interaction so far. Lovely quoting of each other and an "I see you" vote from the symp Eldat.

A signal vote? from a symp? in a 6 votes to lynch situation?Ionno what you're smoking, but the golden rule is "symps never vote scum" vote Atrahal

He was definitely being a bit aggressive with something that I personally saw as prodding and joke voting initially. Makes you wonder if it's a possible scum strategy, like fake symping but with the purpose to secure one lynch and a possible target (me) in the future?

[Karatallid]

Trake, on 19 June 2020 - 11:25 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 19 June 2020 - 11:22 PM, said:

I did an observation on Karosis back on page 3 that is just as valid now, and I was gonna look at it closer after the Ryadd business anyway.

Is this the post?

Karatallid, on 17 June 2020 - 02:53 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 12:20 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 17 June 2020 - 11:33 AM, said:

How did I go full attack mode? I'm honestly curious how you came to that conclusion. I voted for Atrahal but so did others, and it was a valid lynch IMO considering the weird behavior it was prompted by. You might disagree, but at least explain why you disagree. Don't just make stuff up to sound like you know what you're doing. (oh no a smiley face, how dangerous!)

Meant Hentos and Karososis.my point still stands.Im on meds and be mixing up my names.

Okay fair enough, but my question still stands - generally in mafia you want to actually back up accusations, otherwise you might aswell be scum for how much good it does. Just attacking people and making up stuff because you're scared of being attacked yourself is just lame. I stand by the Atrahal lynch, as I think it was warranted at the time. There's a difference between claiming the lynch was wrong in hindsight, and actually making an observation based on how people was acting and what they said before the lynch. You said Atrahal was making standard pokes which I agree with, but then he acted weirdly IMO by backtracking as soon as some pressure happened. I wouldn't personally vote on someone just because they prodded, and didn't this time either. The karosis angle interests me, since Emurlahnis had a vote for him also. If we look at this post for instance:

Karosis, on 16 June 2020 - 02:01 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 15 June 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

Hmm Vote KaratallidFor their friendly interaction so far. Lovely quoting of each other and an "I see you" vote from the symp Eldat.

A signal vote? from a symp? in a 6 votes to lynch situation?Ionno what you're smoking, but the golden rule is "symps never vote scum" vote Atrahal

He was definitely being a bit aggressive with something that I personally saw as prodding and joke voting initially. Makes you wonder if it's a possible scum strategy, like fake symping but with the purpose to secure one lynch and a possible target (me) in the future?

Yeah, I was gonna look deeper into it, but I got distracted.