[Karosis]

Hentos Ilm, on 17 June 2020 - 09:19 PM, said:

Remove Vote
Silchas came out and started talking which is all I wanted anyway. Low posters kill the game.

As a summary to my read-up, what a backward set of logic you've gone with, Nimander. A good symp would actually symp someone OTHER than their master to get that person lynched and then ho ho, you're chasing more symp tails day after day. We don't even know if there's a symp in this game. At this point, your logic and play is actively detrimental to the town so

Vote Nimander Golit

SO do you actually think he's scum? or are you just voting him for being an idiot?

[Desra]

Eldat Pressen, on 17 June 2020 - 02:30 PM, said:

Desra, on 17 June 2020 - 02:25 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 16 June 2020 - 07:03 PM, said:

I would hammer Atrahal because even though there is a bit of time left, I agree his posts were trying to push a strange narrative (stranger for me, who actually knows there was no signaling going on)

I'm confused though by PS's clarification. If I do, I hope it wouldn't modkill anyone?

And a wishy washy way out of being caught on a train that ended up flipping town.

Yes, scum likes to write things like that if they don't want to be on an inno train, instead of just, you know, lurk.

Sorry about that post, I was expecting to chill on thread for a few hours but had to go away.

and yet I still don't like this post. or the fact he pissed of the second I left too today.

but getting over my hard on for a pissing match with Elvis I'm going to just read the thread straight through now after picking through it in reverse

[Desra]

the Wifom rabbit hole yeilds thus:

Emur was poking at Karosis a bit, his switch to Atrahal was was very late so a provisional kill order might not have been changed?

Karats vote on Atra put them at L-1 and reads as very opportunistic

Silchas pops up like a meerkat when voted. a few inane posts and leaves.

Eldats present is that he offers to hammer but conveniently doesn't, he asks for a clarification from PS to drag it out so he has a hand wave excuse for his reluctance. PS responds but Elvis has left the building by this stage.

this is just my reading of end of Day one, what things tickled my buttons a bit.
going to pee then read over day 2 again

[Hentos Ilm]

Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 09:41 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 17 June 2020 - 09:19 PM, said:

Remove Vote
Silchas came out and started talking which is all I wanted anyway. Low posters kill the game.

As a summary to my read-up, what a backward set of logic you've gone with, Nimander. A good symp would actually symp someone OTHER than their master to get that person lynched and then ho ho, you're chasing more symp tails day after day. We don't even know if there's a symp in this game. At this point, your logic and play is actively detrimental to the town so

Vote Nimander Golit

SO do you actually think he's scum? or are you just voting him for being an idiot?

I don't have a good handle on anyone being scum. So "dumb" cases are as good as any. Scum are more likely to make dumb cases because they're always lying.

[Desra]

Nimaners day start is based on symp theory. which I hate, but I agree with the logic of don't vote the symp vote who they're protecting.
the pissing match was interesting/ entertaining

ok ok.
fuck me but the word symp should be banned from conversation, pretty much every argument has circled around logic of X might be symping Y.

I think Nimanders outrage (too strong a word) at Silchas' brushing off Karat response vote is, for him, legit. Silchas' brushing the vote off like it ain't nothing is more interesting to me. on the other side of the coin (hows this for wishy washy fence sitting) Karats response to the vote is toight as well.

out of this I'm going to vote Silchas I think.
basically because of this:

Quote

I'm beelining for a vote that tells me the most about the voting on day 1. That's all there is as far as I'm concerned.
That wont be made clearer the more we gab about it.

If you can point to the trains and name another vote that offers more info do so.

has picked a (relatively) easy vote and is sticking with it, putting the onus on others to change his mind to something other than the easy one.
not sure if he's around now, or will be back before time out if not its a convenient drop and walk


I'm for bed real soon so going to do a vote/ timer check before (a friendly mod doing this right now would be tits)

[Trake]

Damnit... I just typed a post and lost internet.

I think this was the gist of it...

First WTF is everyone here drunk? Smileygate?

I'm trying to wrap my head around Nimander's theories about Hentos and Kara, but I think Hentos would have to be reacting a bit early in the day on Kara to start the Atrahal train, so not sure that I am reading him as symp yet.

I think the most telling thing to look at is the lynch train, and Karosis, Ryadd and Kara were all at prime positions. Karosis and Ryadd got the ball rolling and Kara made it an inevitability. Of the three, I didn't like how chummy Karosis looked like he was trying to be with Atrahal as they waited out the lynch timeout, while Karosis didn't appear to be seriously entertaining other options. Ryadd still seems to be bouncing around a bit.

vote Karosis

[Desra]

think we've got like 13 hours or so left.

vote Silchas

come play with us angry bear!

i *think*

that leaves us at
2 sil
2 karat
1 me
1 Ryad
1 Hentos
1 Nimander

[Desra]

and 1 karosis now as well

I'm for bed but will be back in the morning, like 5 hours before timout

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 12 hours and 50 minutes remianing
9 Players still alive: Desra, Eldat Pressen, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Karosis, Nimander Golit, Ryadd Eleis, Silchas Ruin, Trake

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 votes Silchas Ruin: Karatallid, Desra
2 votes Karatallid: Nimander Golit, Silchas Ruin
1 vote Desra: Eldat Pressen
1 vote Ryadd Eleis: Karosis
1 vote Hentos Ilm: Ryadd Eleis
1 vote Nimander Golit: Hentos Ilm
1 vote Karosis: Trake

Players not voted:

[Hentos Ilm]

Well, I guess we aren't getting anywhere without some vote changes.

[Trake]

I know that I won't be around at timeout, so I hope people start talking.

[Trake]

Well the votes are all over the place and I’m about ready to go to bed. Karosis would be my first choice, but of the others out there I’ll switch to Silchas. Kara’s vote on the Atra train looks wrong, but I don’t like Nimander’s symp case or Silchas’ “lets just lynch somebody” act after his day 1 coasting.

remove vote vote Silchas

[Nimander Golit]

Hentos Ilm, on 17 June 2020 - 08:57 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 09:17 AM, said:

Ok doing a proper read of the game so far.

Hentos Ilm, on 16 June 2020 - 04:59 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 15 June 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

Hmm

Vote Karatallid

For their friendly interaction so far. Lovely quoting of each other and an "I see you" vote from the symp Eldat.

Do you really think there are that many amateurs in this game?

Vote Atrahal

Your behavior is, itself, symp-like, but more in the "cause general chaos" sense than sidling up to a master.

Hentos Suddenly jumps in and attacks Atrahal for making (what I consider) standard pokes.
What I didn't like is the fact that Hentos doenst even consider the fact that Atrahal could be correct and blatantly defends Kara and Eldat.
Seems like a forced and out of the blue attack to me.

The hypocrisy of this accusation is rather interesting.
Hentos also seems to then be fixated on symping. The very thing he is accusing Atrahal of being.
Which in of itself is very symp like behaviour because you cause confusion when you use it as an excuse for erratic play and cant "prove" someone is a symp by lynching them.
You need to find their master...SO... who was Atrahal symping here?
No one that I can see, and clearly no one Hentos can see because thats not his argument, he took the easy route by simply shouting "SYMP"
How convenient.


But the most damning thing he apparently thinks Atrahal is a symp...yet proceeds to vote the SYMP. How does that help?

So if Hentos is a symp here (which I think is likely). My bet is he is protecting either Kara or Eldat.

Vote Karatallid

Or maybe you don't like me voting for Silchas and you are the real symp... see how dumb this logic train goes? We got a vote on Atrahal. It was about as good as any Day 1 case will go. Use the info from the train, the voters, the non-voters, etc. Don't go chasing rabbits down one hole after another.

My case for you being a symp was from long before your vote on Sichas, dont play the fool.

You are purposely being obtuse and clearly truing to misdirecting the narrative here.

Just what I would expect.

[Nimander Golit]

Hentos Ilm, on 17 June 2020 - 09:10 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 05:20 PM, said:

Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 05:04 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 04:45 PM, said:

Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 03:48 PM, said:

If you think Hentos' vote was nonsensical, would it not make more sense to vote Hentos himself?

No...because as I explained and as it has been clearly IGNORED.
Voting for a symp is pointless.
I said in my post where I voted that Hentos seems to be a symp derailing his masters (Karat) potential lynch train. What other objecting is there so blatantly defending Karat?
Why not sort back and see how things unfold? This is what town should do.


This isn't rocket science and the fact that people that are implicated in all this (YOU being one) are being so blatantly obtuse is telling.

Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 03:48 PM, said:

Atrahal made a symp "case" out of literally nothing. When he got called out on it, he didn't try to look elsewhere, did this weird "oops, I guess I'm wrong.. but I'll double down anyways in case I hit a nerve" type response.

Need to go back and read some of the other's comments about the whole thing.

Naaa but he didn't tho. Symp signalling is a very standard thing...but people just jumped onto him way more aggressively than what is warranted.
Even I asked atrahal why would someone signal back and was trying to figure out the logic...but others pounced and placed votes and the train quickly shifted before the thread even knew what was going on.

The speed of how the train shifted, the reasoning behind the shift, How easily he was railroaded...ALL point to SOMETHING going on here when I was catching up.
This "slip" is like chum in the water for scum. Scum don't have second thoughts about who they are gonna vote...they are not trying to figure stuff out. If there is a "weird" statement by someone they now is inno... they come in HARD, because its easy.

So...This is what I think happened. Hentos come out and derailed the potential train on Karat.
simple.

You came out and didn't even question it and planted a vote on Atrhal without really caring. This is how it reads to me.

Sure you all implicated is not gonna see it that way...I dont expect you to.
What I Expect is anyone who IS TOWN to see simple logic and reason and vote accordingly.

The underlined: yeah, symps "signal". and 90 % of the time neither town nor scum catch it.

Symp cases are (generally) BS. I say this every single game, and I'm not gonna stop now.

I understand that your argument is "people are deflecting from Kara". The problem is... if the "case" on him was BS, then saying it was BS isn't "deflecting",, it's calling the BS out.

if you're scum, and someone votes you for a dumb reason, you're not gonna sit and analyze "is this a purposefully weak vote that's supposed to get any case against me dismissed -and is therefore, a "signal"... or is this idiot just drawing attention to me for no reason".

You don't signal with votes. Scum treat every vote as hostile. So Tatt's case was dumb.

That being said, a lot of people are using dumb logic. not much to say about that.

There is a big difference between calling out a bad symp signaling case.
And literally derailing a vote train onto the person for simply doing a symp signal case. Some people pointed it out but wants clarity. Others just voted and didn’t seem to care. I can only go by what I’ve read on the thread after all.


This happened last Match. SOMETIEMS people get lucky with a symp signal case and then people panic. And attack back. This happens a lot. While it is not bullet proof. It can’t be ignored.

Here when I caught up... seeing how badly certain people attack atrahal, for something so mundane FOR ME IS TELLING. So I have to look hard at it.

This is the crux of it.

Then you have the issue of Hentos voting for his target... the “SYMP”.
I mean really?

I cannot ignore this. Symps usually make the most noise about symps.
But one rule I think he forgot was YOU DONT VOTE A SYMP.

Logically I can only assume he was derailing the two votes on Karat.

That’s that... there is no point in me arguing this with the people I think are involved.

So I’ll leave it at that.

Where did you learn to play Mafia? You vote for SCUM. Symps are SCUM. Yes they are not as important as getting the ACTUAL scum but if they are sitting around causing a mess on thread and it's nice and early in the game you vote for them. Period. Notice how easy the last game was after a symp got voted out day 1?

Lol... sure thing fella. Tell me how do you know someone is a symp once you Lynch them?

[Nimander Golit]

Hentos Ilm, on 17 June 2020 - 09:19 PM, said:

Remove Vote
Silchas came out and started talking which is all I wanted anyway. Low posters kill the game.

As a summary to my read-up, what a backward set of logic you've gone with, Nimander. A good symp would actually symp someone OTHER than their master to get that person lynched and then ho ho, you're chasing more symp tails day after day. We don't even know if there's a symp in this game. At this point, your logic and play is actively detrimental to the town so

Vote Nimander Golit

classic... you are AGAIN derailing the votes on Karat?

wow... nice symp. Bit obvious tho.

[Desra]

Shit me, in the last 10 hours we've had, what 3/4 posts?

It's like you've all drawn breath and are waiting for the time out before exhaling.

This is not helpful, we need some action here for is to work on.

I'm still happy with my Silchas' vote but would be willing to switch to Kar if thes a will for a wagon in that direction

[Nimander Golit]

I find it rather interesting that Hentos has such a seemingly large distain for my case on Karat.
After all he wasn't the only one that helped railroad the vote on Atrahal. yet he is not even entertaining the possibility AGAIN that maybe Atrahal was right with his push on Karat.

After all I haven't placed a vote on Hentos at all.
My vote is on Karat.
Yet here he is with a OMGUS style vote on someone who hasn't even placed a vote on him, someone who has voted for Karat. AGAIN.

All the while basically ignoring a person who has actually put a vote on him.

Food for thought.

[Nimander Golit]

Desra, on 18 June 2020 - 09:45 AM, said:

Shit me, in the last 10 hours we've had, what 3/4 posts?

It's like you've all drawn breath and are waiting for the time out before exhaling.

This is not helpful, we need some action here for is to work on.

I'm still happy with my Silchas' vote but would be willing to switch to Kar if thes a will for a wagon in that direction

Ive just woken up... what's that 3 hours left?

Im not too keen on the Silchas Lynch as I dont really get the case, but will swap for a lynch if thats what is needed, cant go a day with no Lynch in a game this size.

Ill be around till time out.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 1 hour and 53 minutes remaining
9 Players still alive: Desra, Eldat Pressen, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Karosis, Nimander Golit, Ryadd Eleis, Silchas Ruin, Trake

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

3 votes Silchas Ruin: Karatallid, Desra, Trake
2 votes Karatallid: Nimander Golit, Silchas Ruin
1 vote Desra: Eldat Pressen
1 vote Ryadd Eleis: Karosis
1 vote Hentos Ilm: Ryadd Eleis
1 vote Nimander Golit: Hentos Ilm

Players not voted:

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 18 June 2020 - 10:06 AM

[Ryadd Eleis]

Mostly offline due to internet issues.

Huh I could have sword we had more time.

Don't like the idea of a lynch-less day so, changing my vote.


Remove vote

Vote Silchas Ruin