[Silchas Ruin]

@Karosis: I dont get that line of thinking. Ryadd shifting to Atrahal was strange?

If I recall that vote came from Atrahals slip up on Trake. How was that a strange shift?

[Ryadd Eleis]

 Hentos Ilm, on 16 June 2020 - 04:59 AM, said:

 Atrahal, on 15 June 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

Hmm Vote KaratallidFor their friendly interaction so far. Lovely quoting of each other and an "I see you" vote from the symp Eldat.

Do you really think there are that many amateurs in this game?Vote AtrahalYour behavior is, itself, symp-like, but more in the "cause general chaos" sense than sidling up to a master.

Having read up I think that this,

 Hentos Ilm, on 17 June 2020 - 01:34 AM, said:

 Karosis, on 16 June 2020 - 02:01 PM, said:

 Atrahal, on 15 June 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

Hmm Vote KaratallidFor their friendly interaction so far. Lovely quoting of each other and an "I see you" vote from the symp Eldat.

A signal vote? from a symp? in a 6 votes to lynch situation?Ionno what you're smoking, but the golden rule is "symps never vote scum" vote Atrahal

I agree with Karosis here.

 Trake, on 16 June 2020 - 02:24 PM, said:

 Silchas Ruin, on 15 June 2020 - 04:15 PM, said:

Checking in.

I’m not into the lame cases du jour. After last game I’d like to not let low coasters get by too long. Nimander signed on to say he’s sick, but Silchas hasn’t posted anything more than a check in. I’d like to hear more from him.vote Silchas

Also agree with Trake. Low-posters cause the game to stall out in the worst way (and I was an offender yesterday but will try to be more available going forward). Nimander is on the verge of a modkill so the next lowest poster other than me is Silchas. For nowVote Silchas Ruin

combined with this, what looks like an attempt to get a low poster hunt started screams scum to me.

Vote Hentos Ilm

[Karosis]

 Silchas Ruin, on 17 June 2020 - 04:02 PM, said:

@Karosis: I dont get that line of thinking. Ryadd shifting to Atrahal was strange?

If I recall that vote came from Atrahals slip up on Trake. How was that a strange shift?

The timing is weird. Ryadd spent the entire day (well, the entire page) arguing with Emu (and Trake) that Kara and EP were "signalling each other". When he was being collectively called out for it, he jumped on the Atrahal train.

[Karatallid]

 Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 03:32 PM, said:

Well yea unfortunately for you my vote has more to do with the actions of others than you directly, but when I saw your posts afterward when catching up I felt it also fit to how scum would handle it if I where in your shoes.

What parts and what exactly? As I ofcourse know you're way off, I'm gonna have to call you out on that - you're still not pointing to anything specific. Also I have no control over what anyone else does in this game, so I can't be responsible for what someone else says about a lynch target.

 Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 03:32 PM, said:

The fact remains that Atrahal made a very standard sort of case pointing at you and Eldat.
Some people seemed to JUMP at this. its a clear possibility of it being an early aggressive derailment attempt on the votes on you.
They derailed it by attacking a very weak argument without ever bothering to look at Atrahals side of it.
After all atrahals argument wasn't not completely invalid. Yet he was basically steamrolled.

With how easily and quickly I see the train on atrahal build after the votes on you all I can conclude is that there is something here.
I would be remiss to ignore it. And the rest of town should be too.


The very fact that Hentos called Atrahal a symp and then voted him for being one is screaming scum.
IF so...what was Hentos protecting? and why vote for a symp If they truly think atrahal was one?
It literally gets you nowhere voting for a symp.

You arguments are very reliant on people knowing that Atrahal was inno, when nobody knew for sure and was just trying to assess the situation from what happened in the moment. Again WHAT was Atrahal doing exactly? In my mind he was only prodding, and I didn't take any of it that seriously, until the weird backtracking that happened, which is a VALID reason to vote for someone. So I don't agree he was steamrolled. The way I see it, Atrahal made a big mistake and consequently in accordance to mafia tradition took the heat for it.

In essence, you're not making much sense here buddy.
1. you claim that Atrahal was only prodding, which is exactly saying that he didn't really have a case
2. now you're saying he DID have a case? Which one is it?

You're contradicting yourself tremendously here.

[Nimander Golit]

 Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 03:40 PM, said:

 Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 09:17 AM, said:

Ok doing a proper read of the game so far.

 Hentos Ilm, on 16 June 2020 - 04:59 AM, said:

 Atrahal, on 15 June 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

Hmm

Vote Karatallid

For their friendly interaction so far. Lovely quoting of each other and an "I see you" vote from the symp Eldat.

Do you really think there are that many amateurs in this game?

Vote Atrahal

Your behavior is, itself, symp-like, but more in the "cause general chaos" sense than sidling up to a master.

Hentos Suddenly jumps in and attacks Atrahal for making (what I consider) standard pokes.
What I didn't like is the fact that Hentos doenst even consider the fact that Atrahal could be correct and blatantly defends Kara and Eldat.
Seems like a forced and out of the blue attack to me.

The hypocrisy of this accusation is rather interesting.
Hentos also seems to then be fixated on symping. The very thing he is accusing Atrahal of being.
Which in of itself is very symp like behaviour because you cause confusion when you use it as an excuse for erratic play and cant "prove" someone is a symp by lynching them.
You need to find their master...SO... who was Atrahal symping here?
No one that I can see, and clearly no one Hentos can see because thats not his argument, he took the easy route by simply shouting "SYMP"
How convenient.


But the most damning thing he apparently thinks Atrahal is a symp...yet proceeds to vote the SYMP. How does that help?

So if Hentos is a symp here (which I think is likely). My bet is he is protecting either Kara or Eldat.

Vote Karatallid

The problem with a "standard poke" is numbers. when it only takes 6 to lynch, making it L-4 is a statement, not just a joke.

lol hardly... L-4 is nothing.

[Karatallid]

 Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 04:15 PM, said:

 Silchas Ruin, on 17 June 2020 - 04:02 PM, said:

@Karosis: I dont get that line of thinking. Ryadd shifting to Atrahal was strange?

If I recall that vote came from Atrahals slip up on Trake. How was that a strange shift?

The timing is weird. Ryadd spent the entire day (well, the entire page) arguing with Emu (and Trake) that Kara and EP were "signalling each other". When he was being collectively called out for it, he jumped on the Atrahal train.

It does seem like everyone and their grandmother's teapot is 'screaming scum' to Ryadd. Not sure how to read his behavior - it could be a friendly hopped up on paranoid juice, or scum trying too hard to seem like a friendly hopped up on paranoid juice.
Makes me think of this meme with the
''Nobody....Literally nobody:---Ryadd: Omg you're scum! '

Like literally pretending that you know for sure about who's who after one day is very endearing in a non mafia sense, but it's also a potential mine field of scummery or scum adjacency. We're all trying to figure it out here Ryadd buddy, don't chew your own foot off in desperation.

Anyway, all that said I'm all for prodding, it's basically pretty much the only way to get any kind of information besides actual lynches.

[Nimander Golit]

 Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 03:48 PM, said:

If you think Hentos' vote was nonsensical, would it not make more sense to vote Hentos himself?

No...because as I explained and as it has been clearly IGNORED.
Voting for a symp is pointless.
I said in my post where I voted that Hentos seems to be a symp derailing his masters (Karat) potential lynch train. What other objecting is there so blatantly defending Karat?
Why not sort back and see how things unfold? This is what town should do.


This isn't rocket science and the fact that people that are implicated in all this (YOU being one) are being so blatantly obtuse is telling.

 Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 03:48 PM, said:

Atrahal made a symp "case" out of literally nothing. When he got called out on it, he didn't try to look elsewhere, did this weird "oops, I guess I'm wrong.. but I'll double down anyways in case I hit a nerve" type response.

Need to go back and read some of the other's comments about the whole thing.

Naaa but he didn't tho. Symp signalling is a very standard thing...but people just jumped onto him way more aggressively than what is warranted.
Even I asked atrahal why would someone signal back and was trying to figure out the logic...but others pounced and placed votes and the train quickly shifted before the thread even knew what was going on.

The speed of how the train shifted, the reasoning behind the shift, How easily he was railroaded...ALL point to SOMETHING going on here when I was catching up.
This "slip" is like chum in the water for scum. Scum don't have second thoughts about who they are gonna vote...they are not trying to figure stuff out. If there is a "weird" statement by someone they now is inno... they come in HARD, because its easy.

So...This is what I think happened. Hentos come out and derailed the potential train on Karat.
simple.

You came out and didn't even question it and planted a vote on Atrhal without really caring. This is how it reads to me.

Sure you all implicated is not gonna see it that way...I dont expect you to.
What I Expect is anyone who IS TOWN to see simple logic and reason and vote accordingly.

[Nimander Golit]

Will reply in red here up top then at bottom for the rest...

 Karatallid, on 17 June 2020 - 04:24 PM, said:

 Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 03:32 PM, said:

Well yea unfortunately for you my vote has more to do with the actions of others than you directly, but when I saw your posts afterward when catching up I felt it also fit to how scum would handle it if I where in your shoes.

What parts and what exactly? As I ofcourse know you're way off, I'm gonna have to call you out on that - you're still not pointing to anything specific. Also I have no control over what anyone else does in this game, so I can't be responsible for what someone else says about a lynch target.

the ones that you have gotten so iffy over (like the smiley face one) if you would bother to pay attention to what I say then it might be easier

 Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 03:32 PM, said:

The fact remains that Atrahal made a very standard sort of case pointing at you and Eldat.
Some people seemed to JUMP at this. its a clear possibility of it being an early aggressive derailment attempt on the votes on you.
They derailed it by attacking a very weak argument without ever bothering to look at Atrahals side of it.
After all atrahals argument wasn't not completely invalid. Yet he was basically steamrolled.

With how easily and quickly I see the train on atrahal build after the votes on you all I can conclude is that there is something here.
I would be remiss to ignore it. And the rest of town should be too.


The very fact that Hentos called Atrahal a symp and then voted him for being one is screaming scum.
IF so...what was Hentos protecting? and why vote for a symp If they truly think atrahal was one?
It literally gets you nowhere voting for a symp.

You arguments are very reliant on people knowing that Atrahal was inno, when nobody knew for sure and was just trying to assess the situation from what happened in the moment. Again WHAT was Atrahal doing exactly? In my mind he was only prodding, and I didn't take any of it that seriously, until the weird backtracking that happened, which is a VALID reason to vote for someone. So I don't agree he was steamrolled. The way I see it, Atrahal made a big mistake and consequently in accordance to mafia tradition took the heat for it.

In essence, you're not making much sense here buddy.
1. you claim that Atrahal was only prodding, which is exactly saying that he didn't really have a case
2. now you're saying he DID have a case? Which one is it?

You're contradicting yourself tremendously here.

Erm... so who are the ones that know someone is inno?
please dont act dumb. Scum know who is inno... so therefore an argument baes off of THAT FACT is a logical leap to take...NO?


Lastly....How am I contradicting myself?
Symp signalling is very basic day one case that gets many games going.

Now if they happen to make a lazy one or make a claim thats weird while doing it...then how is that contradicting anything?

edit - added "dont"

This post has been edited by Nimander Golit: 17 June 2020 - 04:53 PM

[Nimander Golit]

 Ryadd Eleis, on 17 June 2020 - 04:06 PM, said:

 Hentos Ilm, on 16 June 2020 - 04:59 AM, said:

 Atrahal, on 15 June 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

Hmm Vote KaratallidFor their friendly interaction so far. Lovely quoting of each other and an "I see you" vote from the symp Eldat.

Do you really think there are that many amateurs in this game?Vote AtrahalYour behavior is, itself, symp-like, but more in the "cause general chaos" sense than sidling up to a master.

Having read up I think that this,

 Hentos Ilm, on 17 June 2020 - 01:34 AM, said:

 Karosis, on 16 June 2020 - 02:01 PM, said:

 Atrahal, on 15 June 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

Hmm Vote KaratallidFor their friendly interaction so far. Lovely quoting of each other and an "I see you" vote from the symp Eldat.

A signal vote? from a symp? in a 6 votes to lynch situation?Ionno what you're smoking, but the golden rule is "symps never vote scum" vote Atrahal

I agree with Karosis here.

 Trake, on 16 June 2020 - 02:24 PM, said:

 Silchas Ruin, on 15 June 2020 - 04:15 PM, said:

Checking in.

I’m not into the lame cases du jour. After last game I’d like to not let low coasters get by too long. Nimander signed on to say he’s sick, but Silchas hasn’t posted anything more than a check in. I’d like to hear more from him.vote Silchas

Also agree with Trake. Low-posters cause the game to stall out in the worst way (and I was an offender yesterday but will try to be more available going forward). Nimander is on the verge of a modkill so the next lowest poster other than me is Silchas. For nowVote Silchas Ruin

combined with this, what looks like an attempt to get a low poster hunt started screams scum to me.

Vote Hentos Ilm

I feel he is the symp tho.

[Karosis]

 Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 04:45 PM, said:

 Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 03:48 PM, said:

If you think Hentos' vote was nonsensical, would it not make more sense to vote Hentos himself?

No...because as I explained and as it has been clearly IGNORED.
Voting for a symp is pointless.
I said in my post where I voted that Hentos seems to be a symp derailing his masters (Karat) potential lynch train. What other objecting is there so blatantly defending Karat?
Why not sort back and see how things unfold? This is what town should do.


This isn't rocket science and the fact that people that are implicated in all this (YOU being one) are being so blatantly obtuse is telling.

 Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 03:48 PM, said:

Atrahal made a symp "case" out of literally nothing. When he got called out on it, he didn't try to look elsewhere, did this weird "oops, I guess I'm wrong.. but I'll double down anyways in case I hit a nerve" type response.

Need to go back and read some of the other's comments about the whole thing.

Naaa but he didn't tho. Symp signalling is a very standard thing...but people just jumped onto him way more aggressively than what is warranted.
Even I asked atrahal why would someone signal back and was trying to figure out the logic...but others pounced and placed votes and the train quickly shifted before the thread even knew what was going on.

The speed of how the train shifted, the reasoning behind the shift, How easily he was railroaded...ALL point to SOMETHING going on here when I was catching up.
This "slip" is like chum in the water for scum. Scum don't have second thoughts about who they are gonna vote...they are not trying to figure stuff out. If there is a "weird" statement by someone they now is inno... they come in HARD, because its easy.

So...This is what I think happened. Hentos come out and derailed the potential train on Karat.
simple.

You came out and didn't even question it and planted a vote on Atrhal without really caring. This is how it reads to me.

Sure you all implicated is not gonna see it that way...I dont expect you to.
What I Expect is anyone who IS TOWN to see simple logic and reason and vote accordingly.

The underlined: yeah, symps "signal". and 90 % of the time neither town nor scum catch it.

Symp cases are (generally) BS. I say this every single game, and I'm not gonna stop now.

I understand that your argument is "people are deflecting from Kara". The problem is... if the "case" on him was BS, then saying it was BS isn't "deflecting",, it's calling the BS out.

if you're scum, and someone votes you for a dumb reason, you're not gonna sit and analyze "is this a purposefully weak vote that's supposed to get any case against me dismissed -and is therefore, a "signal"... or is this idiot just drawing attention to me for no reason".

You don't signal with votes. Scum treat every vote as hostile. So Tatt's case was dumb.

That being said, a lot of people are using dumb logic. not much to say about that.

[Karatallid]

 Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 04:52 PM, said:

the ones that you have gotten so iffy over (like the smiley face one) if you would bother to pay attention to what I say then it might be easier

Really, someone using smiley faces is your argument? You haven't really pointed to anything specific other than that. Which what I was implying, since i really don't take the smiley thing serious. Why would I?

 Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 04:52 PM, said:

Erm... so who are the ones that know someone is inno?
please dont act dumb. Scum know who is inno... so therefore an argument baes off of THAT FACT is a logical leap to take...NO?

No, the fact is that you're making assumptions based on hindsight, without actually pointing to anything specific - you STILL haven't answered that - I'm not the one acting dumb here lets get it straight. If you had said what you said but pointed to any posts or quotes that actually gives your vote any kind of foundation then it would have been fine, but as there isn't anything of such nature that you CAN point to, you're just screaming at me instead. Really bad, just really really bad.

 Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 04:52 PM, said:

Lastly....How am I contradicting myself?
Symp signalling is very basic day one case that gets many games going.

Now if they happen to make a lazy one or make a claim thats weird while doing it...then how is that contradicting anything?

edit - added "dont"

Hey I thought we decided not to act dumb. If people are VALID in calling out a 'lazy' (as you call it now) symp case, then YOU are definitely contradicting yourself. You can't both claim that people shouldn't and should call out Atrahal's symp case at the same time. That's literally the definition of contradiction!

[Nimander Golit]

 Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 05:04 PM, said:

 Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 04:45 PM, said:

 Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 03:48 PM, said:

If you think Hentos' vote was nonsensical, would it not make more sense to vote Hentos himself?

No...because as I explained and as it has been clearly IGNORED.
Voting for a symp is pointless.
I said in my post where I voted that Hentos seems to be a symp derailing his masters (Karat) potential lynch train. What other objecting is there so blatantly defending Karat?
Why not sort back and see how things unfold? This is what town should do.


This isn't rocket science and the fact that people that are implicated in all this (YOU being one) are being so blatantly obtuse is telling.

 Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 03:48 PM, said:

Atrahal made a symp "case" out of literally nothing. When he got called out on it, he didn't try to look elsewhere, did this weird "oops, I guess I'm wrong.. but I'll double down anyways in case I hit a nerve" type response.

Need to go back and read some of the other's comments about the whole thing.

Naaa but he didn't tho. Symp signalling is a very standard thing...but people just jumped onto him way more aggressively than what is warranted.
Even I asked atrahal why would someone signal back and was trying to figure out the logic...but others pounced and placed votes and the train quickly shifted before the thread even knew what was going on.

The speed of how the train shifted, the reasoning behind the shift, How easily he was railroaded...ALL point to SOMETHING going on here when I was catching up.
This "slip" is like chum in the water for scum. Scum don't have second thoughts about who they are gonna vote...they are not trying to figure stuff out. If there is a "weird" statement by someone they now is inno... they come in HARD, because its easy.

So...This is what I think happened. Hentos come out and derailed the potential train on Karat.
simple.

You came out and didn't even question it and planted a vote on Atrhal without really caring. This is how it reads to me.

Sure you all implicated is not gonna see it that way...I dont expect you to.
What I Expect is anyone who IS TOWN to see simple logic and reason and vote accordingly.

The underlined: yeah, symps "signal". and 90 % of the time neither town nor scum catch it.

Symp cases are (generally) BS. I say this every single game, and I'm not gonna stop now.

I understand that your argument is "people are deflecting from Kara". The problem is... if the "case" on him was BS, then saying it was BS isn't "deflecting",, it's calling the BS out.

if you're scum, and someone votes you for a dumb reason, you're not gonna sit and analyze "is this a purposefully weak vote that's supposed to get any case against me dismissed -and is therefore, a "signal"... or is this idiot just drawing attention to me for no reason".

You don't signal with votes. Scum treat every vote as hostile. So Tatt's case was dumb.

That being said, a lot of people are using dumb logic. not much to say about that.

There is a big difference between calling out a bad symp signaling case.
And literally derailing a vote train onto the person for simply doing a symp signal case. Some people pointed it out but wants clarity. Others just voted and didn’t seem to care. I can only go by what I’ve read on the thread after all.


This happened last Match. SOMETIEMS people get lucky with a symp signal case and then people panic. And attack back. This happens a lot. While it is not bullet proof. It can’t be ignored.

Here when I caught up... seeing how badly certain people attack atrahal, for something so mundane FOR ME IS TELLING. So I have to look hard at it.

This is the crux of it.

Then you have the issue of Hentos voting for his target... the “SYMP”.
I mean really?

I cannot ignore this. Symps usually make the most noise about symps.
But one rule I think he forgot was YOU DONT VOTE A SYMP.

Logically I can only assume he was derailing the two votes on Karat.

That’s that... there is no point in me arguing this with the people I think are involved.

So I’ll leave it at that.

[Nimander Golit]

 Karatallid, on 17 June 2020 - 05:04 PM, said:

 Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 04:52 PM, said:

the ones that you have gotten so iffy over (like the smiley face one) if you would bother to pay attention to what I say then it might be easier

Really, someone using smiley faces is your argument? You haven't really pointed to anything specific other than that. Which what I was implying, since i really don't take the smiley thing serious. Why would I?

 Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 04:52 PM, said:

Erm... so who are the ones that know someone is inno?
please dont act dumb. Scum know who is inno... so therefore an argument baes off of THAT FACT is a logical leap to take...NO?

No, the fact is that you're making assumptions based on hindsight, without actually pointing to anything specific - you STILL haven't answered that - I'm not the one acting dumb here lets get it straight. If you had said what you said but pointed to any posts or quotes that actually gives your vote any kind of foundation then it would have been fine, but as there isn't anything of such nature that you CAN point to, you're just screaming at me instead. Really bad, just really really bad.

 Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 04:52 PM, said:

Lastly....How am I contradicting myself?
Symp signalling is very basic day one case that gets many games going.

Now if they happen to make a lazy one or make a claim thats weird while doing it...then how is that contradicting anything?

edit - added "dont"

Hey I thought we decided not to act dumb. If people are VALID in calling out a 'lazy' (as you call it now) symp case, then YOU are definitely contradicting yourself. You can't both claim that people shouldn't and should call out Atrahal's symp case at the same time. That's literally the definition of contradiction!

Calling out is one thing. Voting and railroading is completely another thing.

So yes I CAN say that it’s lazy yet not worth that excessive amount of derailment.

In fact look how much effort you and karosis are spending now arguing with me.

Over one vote. Why don’t you try and find scum instead of spending so much effort defending yourself so vehemently?


Who do you think is scum then?

[Karatallid]

 Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 05:24 PM, said:

Calling out is one thing. Voting and railroading is completely another thing.

So yes I CAN say that it's lazy yet not worth that excessive amount of derailment.

In fact look how much effort you and karosis are spending now arguing with me.

Over one vote. Why don't you try and find scum instead of spending so much effort defending yourself so vehemently?


Who do you think is scum then?

Nobody was railroaded though. And I'm not arguing with you, I'm only discussing your vote on myself, which is my prerogative to do, don't get it twisted. You might disagree with the reasoning for certain people's posts and votes for Atrahal, and in hindsight I agree with you. Especially Ryadd strikes me as overly aggressive, as I wrote in my previous post. I also think that Karosis need to be looked at closer, especially since Emurlahnis voted for him. But I already had a post about that, so you actually have to make an effort and read my entire posts. I tire of repeating myself over and over. I need to look closer at a couple of things, so I don't want to make a decision yet.

[Silchas Ruin]

Shit. I am starting to get a Tennes vs Gait vibe from Nimander and Kara.


Nimander has a point though. The original train deserves a second look. I'm not reading much into that original vote and build up on Karatalid but Hentos Ilms presence did push shit the other way like it or not.
I am interested in voting Karatallid or Eldat for information.

Hentos being a possible symp makes sense.


Vote Karatallid

[Karatallid]

 Silchas Ruin, on 17 June 2020 - 05:33 PM, said:

Shit. I am starting to get a Tennes vs Gait vibe from Nimander and Kara.


Nimander has a point though. The original train deserves a second look. I'm not reading much into that original vote and build up on Karatalid but Hentos Ilms presence did push shit the other way like it or not.
I am interested in voting Karatallid or Eldat for information.

Hentos being a possible symp makes sense.


Vote Karatallid

What. And...what?

I'm all for getting information, but this seems a lot like you're trying to make me into another 'easy target'. That way you don't have to actually think for yourself or do any kind of work. pshh

You conveniently didn't do shit on day one, and now you're acting all high and mighty calling out us that did? Fuck that.

vote Silchas Ruin

[Ryadd Eleis]

 Karatallid, on 17 June 2020 - 04:40 PM, said:

 Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 04:15 PM, said:

 Silchas Ruin, on 17 June 2020 - 04:02 PM, said:

@Karosis: I dont get that line of thinking. Ryadd shifting to Atrahal was strange?

If I recall that vote came from Atrahals slip up on Trake. How was that a strange shift?

The timing is weird. Ryadd spent the entire day (well, the entire page) arguing with Emu (and Trake) that Kara and EP were "signalling each other". When he was being collectively called out for it, he jumped on the Atrahal train.

It does seem like everyone and their grandmother's teapot is 'screaming scum' to Ryadd. Not sure how to read his behavior - it could be a friendly hopped up on paranoid juice, or scum trying too hard to seem like a friendly hopped up on paranoid juice.
Makes me think of this meme with the
''Nobody....Literally nobody:---Ryadd: Omg you're scum! '

Like literally pretending that you know for sure about who's who after one day is very endearing in a non mafia sense, but it's also a potential mine field of scummery or scum adjacency. We're all trying to figure it out here Ryadd buddy, don't chew your own foot off in desperation.

Anyway, all that said I'm all for prodding, it's basically pretty much the only way to get any kind of information besides actual lynches.

Being paranoid is sort of central to Mafia. Anyone could be scum

Unless you know something more than the rest of us?

[Karatallid]

 Ryadd Eleis, on 17 June 2020 - 05:45 PM, said:

 Karatallid, on 17 June 2020 - 04:40 PM, said:

 Karosis, on 17 June 2020 - 04:15 PM, said:

 Silchas Ruin, on 17 June 2020 - 04:02 PM, said:

@Karosis: I dont get that line of thinking. Ryadd shifting to Atrahal was strange?

If I recall that vote came from Atrahals slip up on Trake. How was that a strange shift?

The timing is weird. Ryadd spent the entire day (well, the entire page) arguing with Emu (and Trake) that Kara and EP were "signalling each other". When he was being collectively called out for it, he jumped on the Atrahal train.

It does seem like everyone and their grandmother's teapot is 'screaming scum' to Ryadd. Not sure how to read his behavior - it could be a friendly hopped up on paranoid juice, or scum trying too hard to seem like a friendly hopped up on paranoid juice.
Makes me think of this meme with the
''Nobody....Literally nobody:---Ryadd: Omg you're scum! '

Like literally pretending that you know for sure about who's who after one day is very endearing in a non mafia sense, but it's also a potential mine field of scummery or scum adjacency. We're all trying to figure it out here Ryadd buddy, don't chew your own foot off in desperation.

Anyway, all that said I'm all for prodding, it's basically pretty much the only way to get any kind of information besides actual lynches.

Being paranoid is sort of central to Mafia. Anyone could be scum

Unless you know something more than the rest of us?

It isn't the paranoid part that bothers me, it's the fact that you're so sure all of a sudden. Do YOU know something we don't?

[Silchas Ruin]

 Karatallid, on 17 June 2020 - 05:43 PM, said:

 Silchas Ruin, on 17 June 2020 - 05:33 PM, said:

Shit. I am starting to get a Tennes vs Gait vibe from Nimander and Kara.


Nimander has a point though. The original train deserves a second look. I'm not reading much into that original vote and build up on Karatalid but Hentos Ilms presence did push shit the other way like it or not.
I am interested in voting Karatallid or Eldat for information.

Hentos being a possible symp makes sense.


Vote Karatallid

What. And...what?

I'm all for getting information, but this seems a lot like you're trying to make me into another 'easy target'. That way you don't have to actually think for yourself or do any kind of work. pshh

You conveniently didn't do shit on day one, and now you're acting all high and mighty calling out us that did? Fuck that.

vote Silchas Ruin

That OMGUS though...

[Karatallid]

 Silchas Ruin, on 17 June 2020 - 06:03 PM, said:

 Karatallid, on 17 June 2020 - 05:43 PM, said:

 Silchas Ruin, on 17 June 2020 - 05:33 PM, said:

Shit. I am starting to get a Tennes vs Gait vibe from Nimander and Kara.


Nimander has a point though. The original train deserves a second look. I'm not reading much into that original vote and build up on Karatalid but Hentos Ilms presence did push shit the other way like it or not.
I am interested in voting Karatallid or Eldat for information.

Hentos being a possible symp makes sense.


Vote Karatallid

What. And...what?

I'm all for getting information, but this seems a lot like you're trying to make me into another 'easy target'. That way you don't have to actually think for yourself or do any kind of work. pshh

You conveniently didn't do shit on day one, and now you're acting all high and mighty calling out us that did? Fuck that.

vote Silchas Ruin

That OMGUS though...

At least I have an actual reason to vote for you. It would make more sense voting like you did if you're scum and trying to coast.