[Nimander Golit]

Karatallid, on 17 June 2020 - 11:33 AM, said:

What were they supposed to look into then? You seem to gloss over the fact that people were confused because it was confusing and weird.

I was bot glossing over anything...I was pointing out that it seemed like a very easy target to attack for scum.
When I see these types of things I expect scum to pounce. And in my view they did.

They Didn't really try and figure out what Atrahal was trying to get at. They went straight for the jugular on what I perceive to be "easy pickings".
Chum in the water for scum to circle around and lay into without any repercussions because "Atrahal is a symp" so no matter the CF they can still justify it.

If you fail to see the logic then thats not my concern. Perhaps you're simply not liking the logic because its...true?

[Eldat Pressen]

Wow, that Atrahal lynch went like butter.

His comments on two signalling each other were a bit weird, as, like people said, why would two players to that? But by the time he said that were was already quite a lot of pressure coming simply from the fact that he voted Karatallid for a simple signaling.

Either he hit a nerve for that vote, or some scum saw an opportunity to put a target on someone safe on day 1, which is always volatile

[Eldat Pressen]

Eldat Pressen, on 16 June 2020 - 11:38 AM, said:

Desra, on 16 June 2020 - 07:29 AM, said:

That's fairly thin for me.

Meta from last game as an excuse, I mean the chances of the exact thing happening again?

vote Atrahal

Not flying for me right now

Asks Atrahal why he puts a second vote so early
Puts second vote on Atrahal one hour later

I quote myself to highlight the original post I already commented on.

The second vote there is simply because Atrahal's case is "thin"? That vote, followed by Karosis, is really what got Atrahal to confusely defend himself, leading to the lynch.

I will
vote Desra

My other choice would be Karatallid, because, man, did Atrahal ever regret making that vote...

[Eldat Pressen]

Desra, on 17 June 2020 - 08:17 AM, said:

Morning, Bout to start a round of golf.

A quick woa! Nelly on Hentos.

I'm all for a low poster hunt when needed but dawn has just broken, it's day 2, cool your jets big guy. Let's do some diagnostics first shall we buddy?

Yesterday you're cooling people off at the second vote, now you complain about a first one?

[Desra]

I'm complaining about a shotgun start to day two.

Man you do love to misrepresent don't you Elvis. Let me scoot back to see if I called you on the exact same post and bullshit yesterday, I'm fairly sure I did

[Desra]

Yerp, you are repeating yourself Elvis

[Eldat Pressen]

Just scoot back a couple of posts, I requoted myself.

And I repeat myself because it's the second day in the row you do the same thing. Sure if someone ends up at L-1 with 7 hours to go it may be worth a warning to the voters (which you didn't do by the way) but attacking second and first votes is pushing it IMO

[Desra]

Eldat Pressen, on 16 June 2020 - 07:03 PM, said:

I would hammer Atrahal because even though there is a bit of time left, I agree his posts were trying to push a strange narrative (stranger for me, who actually knows there was no signaling going on)

I'm confused though by PS's clarification. If I do, I hope it wouldn't modkill anyone?

And a wishy washy way out of being caught on a train that ended up flipping town.

[Eldat Pressen]

Plus we passed more than a third of the day, and we're still waiting for your promised "diagnostics"

[Desra]

Yes.

I stand by my cool your jets.

It was, what 2 hours into day 2, Hentos has added zero of worthy note in my memory (on phone reread later) and he decided to start up a low poster hunt.
Let's break down what happened yesterday and last night a little bit before just lumping on an easy low poster hunt no?

You're annoying me Elvis, you being deliberately obtuse. Now maybe it is just for the value of annoying me or maybe you have a deeper motive, you were part of the scrutiny yesterday as well

[Eldat Pressen]

Desra, on 17 June 2020 - 02:25 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 16 June 2020 - 07:03 PM, said:

I would hammer Atrahal because even though there is a bit of time left, I agree his posts were trying to push a strange narrative (stranger for me, who actually knows there was no signaling going on)

I'm confused though by PS's clarification. If I do, I hope it wouldn't modkill anyone?

And a wishy washy way out of being caught on a train that ended up flipping town.

Yes, scum likes to write things like that if they don't want to be on an inno train, instead of just, you know, lurk.

Sorry about that post, I was expecting to chill on thread for a few hours but had to go away.

[Desra]

Where did I promise anything?

Enough with you twisting and misrep you turd burglar. I told Hentos to cool off and take a step back. Nowhere did I say I would be doing the diagnosis for everyone, that's everyone's fucking job.

I've played a round of golf and been running errands, I'm currently on my phone in the carpark of Screwfix.
I will be running more errands and working until dinner time.

Then I *promise* I'll do some diagnostics of yesterday for you.

Is that statement clear enough that you won't be able to twist it into something it's not?

[Karatallid]

Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 12:20 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 17 June 2020 - 11:33 AM, said:

How did I go full attack mode? I'm honestly curious how you came to that conclusion. I voted for Atrahal but so did others, and it was a valid lynch IMO considering the weird behavior it was prompted by. You might disagree, but at least explain why you disagree. Don't just make stuff up to sound like you know what you're doing.
(oh no a smiley face, how dangerous!)

Meant Hentos and Karososis.

my point still stands.

Im on meds and be mixing up my names.

Okay fair enough, but my question still stands - generally in mafia you want to actually back up accusations, otherwise you might aswell be scum for how much good it does.



Just attacking people and making up stuff because you're scared of being attacked yourself is just lame.

I stand by the Atrahal lynch, as I think it was warranted at the time. There's a difference between claiming the lynch was wrong in hindsight, and actually making an observation based on how people was acting and what they said before the lynch.

You said Atrahal was making standard pokes which I agree with, but then he acted weirdly IMO by backtracking as soon as some pressure happened. I wouldn't personally vote on someone just because they prodded, and didn't this time either.


The karosis angle interests me, since Emurlahnis had a vote for him also. If we look at this post for instance:

Karosis, on 16 June 2020 - 02:01 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 15 June 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

Hmm

Vote Karatallid

For their friendly interaction so far. Lovely quoting of each other and an "I see you" vote from the symp Eldat.

A signal vote? from a symp? in a 6 votes to lynch situation?

Ionno what you're smoking, but the golden rule is "symps never vote scum"

vote Atrahal

He was definitely being a bit aggressive with something that I personally saw as prodding and joke voting initially. Makes you wonder if it's a possible scum strategy, like fake symping but with the purpose to secure one lynch and a possible target (me) in the future?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 20 hours and 57 minutes remianing
9 Players still alive: Desra, Eldat Pressen, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Karosis, Nimander Golit, Ryadd Eleis, Silchas Ruin, Trake

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Silchas Ruin: Hentos Ilm
1 vote Karatallid: Nimander Golit
1 vote Desra: Eldat Pressen

Players not voted: Desra, Karatallid, Karosis, Ryadd Eleis, Silchas Ruin, Trake

[Trake]

Hentos Ilm, on 17 June 2020 - 01:34 AM, said:

Karosis, on 16 June 2020 - 02:01 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 15 June 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

Hmm

Vote Karatallid

For their friendly interaction so far. Lovely quoting of each other and an "I see you" vote from the symp Eldat.

A signal vote? from a symp? in a 6 votes to lynch situation?

Ionno what you're smoking, but the golden rule is "symps never vote scum"

vote Atrahal

I agree with Karosis here.

Trake, on 16 June 2020 - 02:24 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 15 June 2020 - 04:15 PM, said:

Checking in.

I’m not into the lame cases du jour. After last game I’d like to not let low coasters get by too long. Nimander signed on to say he’s sick, but Silchas hasn’t posted anything more than a check in. I’d like to hear more from him.

vote Silchas

Also agree with Trake. Low-posters cause the game to stall out in the worst way (and I was an offender yesterday but will try to be more available going forward). Nimander is on the verge of a modkill so the next lowest poster other than me is Silchas. For now

Vote Silchas Ruin

This is the most unoriginal post so far. String together a couple of unrelated replies with an agreement and a vote? Now I do stand by my opinions that low posters are useless and that scum are usually hiding in that pool. But with the lynch to look at, there are other reasons other than coasting to look at. Where did Silchas go before timeout? He just added some post padding fluff and an inclination to vote for Atrahal. That looks like trying to blend in.

[Nimander Golit]

Karatallid, on 17 June 2020 - 02:53 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 12:20 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 17 June 2020 - 11:33 AM, said:

How did I go full attack mode? I'm honestly curious how you came to that conclusion. I voted for Atrahal but so did others, and it was a valid lynch IMO considering the weird behavior it was prompted by. You might disagree, but at least explain why you disagree. Don't just make stuff up to sound like you know what you're doing.
(oh no a smiley face, how dangerous!)

Meant Hentos and Karososis.

my point still stands.

Im on meds and be mixing up my names.

Okay fair enough, but my question still stands - generally in mafia you want to actually back up accusations, otherwise you might aswell be scum for how much good it does.



Just attacking people and making up stuff because you're scared of being attacked yourself is just lame.

I stand by the Atrahal lynch, as I think it was warranted at the time. There's a difference between claiming the lynch was wrong in hindsight, and actually making an observation based on how people was acting and what they said before the lynch.

You said Atrahal was making standard pokes which I agree with, but then he acted weirdly IMO by backtracking as soon as some pressure happened. I wouldn't personally vote on someone just because they prodded, and didn't this time either.


The karosis angle interests me, since Emurlahnis had a vote for him also. If we look at this post for instance:

Karosis, on 16 June 2020 - 02:01 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 15 June 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

Hmm

Vote Karatallid

For their friendly interaction so far. Lovely quoting of each other and an "I see you" vote from the symp Eldat.

A signal vote? from a symp? in a 6 votes to lynch situation?

Ionno what you're smoking, but the golden rule is "symps never vote scum"

vote Atrahal

He was definitely being a bit aggressive with something that I personally saw as prodding and joke voting initially. Makes you wonder if it's a possible scum strategy, like fake symping but with the purpose to secure one lynch and a possible target (me) in the future?

Well yea unfortunately for you my vote has more to do with the actions of others than you directly, but when I saw your posts afterward when catching up I felt it also fit to how scum would handle it if I where in your shoes.


The fact remains that Atrahal made a very standard sort of case pointing at you and Eldat.
Some people seemed to JUMP at this. its a clear possibility of it being an early aggressive derailment attempt on the votes on you.
They derailed it by attacking a very weak argument without ever bothering to look at Atrahals side of it.
After all atrahals argument wasn't not completely invalid. Yet he was basically steamrolled.

With how easily and quickly I see the train on atrahal build after the votes on you all I can conclude is that there is something here.
I would be remiss to ignore it. And the rest of town should be too.


The very fact that Hentos called Atrahal a symp and then voted him for being one is screaming scum.
IF so...what was Hentos protecting? and why vote for a symp If they truly think atrahal was one?
It literally gets you nowhere voting for a symp.

[Karosis]

Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 09:17 AM, said:

Ok doing a proper read of the game so far.

Hentos Ilm, on 16 June 2020 - 04:59 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 15 June 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

Hmm

Vote Karatallid

For their friendly interaction so far. Lovely quoting of each other and an "I see you" vote from the symp Eldat.

Do you really think there are that many amateurs in this game?

Vote Atrahal

Your behavior is, itself, symp-like, but more in the "cause general chaos" sense than sidling up to a master.

Hentos Suddenly jumps in and attacks Atrahal for making (what I consider) standard pokes.
What I didn't like is the fact that Hentos doenst even consider the fact that Atrahal could be correct and blatantly defends Kara and Eldat.
Seems like a forced and out of the blue attack to me.

The hypocrisy of this accusation is rather interesting.
Hentos also seems to then be fixated on symping. The very thing he is accusing Atrahal of being.
Which in of itself is very symp like behaviour because you cause confusion when you use it as an excuse for erratic play and cant "prove" someone is a symp by lynching them.
You need to find their master...SO... who was Atrahal symping here?
No one that I can see, and clearly no one Hentos can see because thats not his argument, he took the easy route by simply shouting "SYMP"
How convenient.


But the most damning thing he apparently thinks Atrahal is a symp...yet proceeds to vote the SYMP. How does that help?

So if Hentos is a symp here (which I think is likely). My bet is he is protecting either Kara or Eldat.

Vote Karatallid

The problem with a "standard poke" is numbers. when it only takes 6 to lynch, making it L-4 is a statement, not just a joke.

[Karosis]

Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 03:32 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 17 June 2020 - 02:53 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2020 - 12:20 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 17 June 2020 - 11:33 AM, said:

How did I go full attack mode? I'm honestly curious how you came to that conclusion. I voted for Atrahal but so did others, and it was a valid lynch IMO considering the weird behavior it was prompted by. You might disagree, but at least explain why you disagree. Don't just make stuff up to sound like you know what you're doing.
(oh no a smiley face, how dangerous!)

Meant Hentos and Karososis.

my point still stands.

Im on meds and be mixing up my names.

Okay fair enough, but my question still stands - generally in mafia you want to actually back up accusations, otherwise you might aswell be scum for how much good it does.



Just attacking people and making up stuff because you're scared of being attacked yourself is just lame.

I stand by the Atrahal lynch, as I think it was warranted at the time. There's a difference between claiming the lynch was wrong in hindsight, and actually making an observation based on how people was acting and what they said before the lynch.

You said Atrahal was making standard pokes which I agree with, but then he acted weirdly IMO by backtracking as soon as some pressure happened. I wouldn't personally vote on someone just because they prodded, and didn't this time either.


The karosis angle interests me, since Emurlahnis had a vote for him also. If we look at this post for instance:

Karosis, on 16 June 2020 - 02:01 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 15 June 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

Hmm

Vote Karatallid

For their friendly interaction so far. Lovely quoting of each other and an "I see you" vote from the symp Eldat.

A signal vote? from a symp? in a 6 votes to lynch situation?

Ionno what you're smoking, but the golden rule is "symps never vote scum"

vote Atrahal

He was definitely being a bit aggressive with something that I personally saw as prodding and joke voting initially. Makes you wonder if it's a possible scum strategy, like fake symping but with the purpose to secure one lynch and a possible target (me) in the future?

Well yea unfortunately for you my vote has more to do with the actions of others than you directly, but when I saw your posts afterward when catching up I felt it also fit to how scum would handle it if I where in your shoes.


The fact remains that Atrahal made a very standard sort of case pointing at you and Eldat.
Some people seemed to JUMP at this. its a clear possibility of it being an early aggressive derailment attempt on the votes on you.
They derailed it by attacking a very weak argument without ever bothering to look at Atrahals side of it.
After all atrahals argument wasn't not completely invalid. Yet he was basically steamrolled.

With how easily and quickly I see the train on atrahal build after the votes on you all I can conclude is that there is something here.
I would be remiss to ignore it. And the rest of town should be too.


The very fact that Hentos called Atrahal a symp and then voted him for being one is screaming scum.
IF so...what was Hentos protecting? and why vote for a symp If they truly think atrahal was one?
It literally gets you nowhere voting for a symp.

If you think Hentos' vote was nonsensical, would it not make more sense to vote Hentos himself?

Atrahal made a symp "case" out of literally nothing. When he got called out on it, he didn't try to look elsewhere, did this weird "oops, I guess I'm wrong.. but I'll double down anyways in case I hit a nerve" type response.

Need to go back and read some of the other's comments about the whole thing.

[Karosis]

Emurlahnis, on 16 June 2020 - 12:31 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 16 June 2020 - 11:56 AM, said:

Emurlahnis, on 16 June 2020 - 10:38 AM, said:

Karatallid is the one allegedly being symped by Eldat. So how exactly are they doubling down on signalling if they are the ones being signaled at?

And he is answering back in kind.

Less symping, more signalling IMO

I don't follow your argument. Are you saying that Eldat signalled at Karatallid and then... Karatallid signalled back? What do you think they are signalling to each other exactly?

Ryadd Eleis, on 16 June 2020 - 02:35 PM, said:

Emurlahnis, on 16 June 2020 - 12:31 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 16 June 2020 - 11:56 AM, said:

Emurlahnis, on 16 June 2020 - 10:38 AM, said:

Karatallid is the one allegedly being symped by Eldat. So how exactly are they doubling down on signalling if they are the ones being signaled at?

And he is answering back in kind.

Less symping, more signalling IMO

I don't follow your argument. Are you saying that Eldat signalled at Karatallid and then... Karatallid signalled back? What do you think they are signalling to each other exactly?

Why are you playing dumb? The only people who signal at each other are scum. They are both scum.

Emurlahnis, on 16 June 2020 - 02:49 PM, said:

Lol, why would scum signal each other? Has there ever been an M&P game of Mafia when two players signaled at each other?

And if you're so sure they're scum, where's your vote?

Ryadd Eleis, on 16 June 2020 - 05:08 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 16 June 2020 - 04:30 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 16 June 2020 - 03:58 PM, said:

Trake, on 16 June 2020 - 02:24 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 15 June 2020 - 04:15 PM, said:

Checking in.

I'm not into the lame cases du jour. After last game I'd like to not let low coasters get by too long. Nimander signed on to say he's sick, but Silchas hasn't posted anything more than a check in. I'd like to hear more from him.

vote Silchas

Here! Had a busy day. sorry.

Trake and Silchas scum partners? Getting the safe distance vote in, Silchas arrives, Trake removes.

Very possible.

But Trake has not removed and to me it seems like you are trying to push a vote in that direction.

Vote Atrahal

Ryadd makes no sense. When he is pressured, despite professing he thinks Karatallid and EP are signalling each other , he jumps on a leading trail, making it L-2

vote Ryadd Eleis

[Silchas Ruin]

Days done, now reading up.