[Aranatha]

What about Kilava as possible scum Gait? if you're truly inno you wouldn't mind entertaining that thought, now would you? You have issue eyeing my as scum, and I have a lot bigger presence in the game than Kilava. What gives?

[Gait]

Barghast, on 28 May 2020 - 02:04 PM, said:

Voting today:

Fanderay votes Gait (1)

Okaros votes Hanas (1)

Gait votes Hanas (2)

Kilava votes Hanas (3)
Kilava removes Hanas (2)

Aranatha votes Hanas (3)

Kilava votes Hanas (4)

Aranatha removes Hanas (3)
Aranatha votes Gait(2)

Okaros removes Hanas(2)
Okaros votes Gait(3)

Kilava removes Hanas (1)

Aranathas vote switch after Kilava voted Hanas is interesting.

I understood the reason but I find the timing a bit too, "oh shit, this train might happen."

[Aranatha]

Gait, on 28 May 2020 - 02:23 PM, said:

Aranathas vote switch after Kilava voted Hanas is interesting.

I understood the reason but I find the timing a bit too, "oh shit, this train might happen."

It just went a bit fast, that's all. Why don't you answer the question that I just posted.

[Barghast]

Barghast, on 28 May 2020 - 02:22 PM, said:

So the Hanas pile up is Gait, Aranatha, Kilava*

If Hanas was scum the pile up could be explained by their partner trying not to be missing from their train, and piling up on someone to make them look more inno is a wholly valid tactic too

*with Aranatha switching to Gait afterwards

Could also be viewed as a reaction to Fande' vote on Gait, with Gait himself taking the opportunity for a slef-preservation vote, but he did say we need more pressure yesterday

[Barghast]

Okaros, on 28 May 2020 - 02:08 PM, said:

So unless we choose to believe that three scum were on Thyr's train, one of Gamelon, Osseric, Hanas, Venesara have/had to be scum. Which, to my mind, means they're either dead (Gamelon/Osseric), or Hanas - because of how Ven got caught up in the whole Thyr back and forth.

Edit: I should say 'at least one of'

This mostly relies on laws of statistics but a good point too

[Okaros]

I had a look through the day 3 convos following Thyr's lynch, I can't find anything about Osseric in there involving or relating to Kalse, so I don't know where you're getting that from, Gait. Sheltatha's case on Hanas WAS seized upon by Kalse and Aranatha, the latter proceeding to fill up the thread with back-and-forth with Sheltatha which served to bury the case (Tennes then does some analyses, and Rikkter comes on subsequently with his case on Tennes), but this was in relation to Sheltatha supposedly acting 'like a symp' (Kalse's words), and there was NO 'leaning' toward Osseric (no mention at all that I could see by either Aranatha or Kalse).

There was some back-and-forth between Osseric, Sheltatha, and Tennes prior SL's vote on Hanas, but it never amounted to suspicion (though Osseric does sound scummy in their responses lol), and was never egged on by Kalse.

[Gait]

Aranatha, on 28 May 2020 - 02:23 PM, said:

What about Kilava as possible scum Gait? if you're truly inno you wouldn't mind entertaining that thought, now would you? You have issue eyeing my as scum, and I have a lot bigger presence in the game than Kilava. What gives?

Bharghast was before me and Kilava was right after Tennes on the Thyr Train.

I mean if you want more than that I could dig it up, but I dont like how you were second to last on the Thyr train. I dont like how Venesara and Hanas were not even on any train at EoD D2.
So really thats my main take of the situation.


Hanas stands out today for several reasons so that's where my vote is, I'd be happy to switch to Aranatha, less inclined towards Kilava and Bharghast.

[Aranatha]

Gait, on 28 May 2020 - 02:35 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 28 May 2020 - 02:23 PM, said:

What about Kilava as possible scum Gait? if you're truly inno you wouldn't mind entertaining that thought, now would you? You have issue eyeing my as scum, and I have a lot bigger presence in the game than Kilava. What gives?

Bharghast was before me and Kilava was right after Tennes on the Thyr Train.

I mean if you want more than that I could dig it up, but I dont like how you were second to last on the Thyr train. I dont like how Venesara and Hanas were not even on any train at EoD D2.
So really thats my main take of the situation.


Hanas stands out today for several reasons so that's where my vote is, I'd be happy to switch to Aranatha, less inclined towards Kilava and Bharghast.

As interesting as the Thyr train is, to just stick to that now is ridiculous. Makes me think scum hopped on it just to be able to say 'but I was on the Thyr train'.

I have no problem voting for Hanas - I only switched because we need to think this through before we lynch someone fast, and Kilava made it L-1 after I voted - it's not rocket science.

IMO you don't have much to say about Kilava at all, which itself is weird. Why couldn't they be scum, especially since you have no problem saying I might be. It's fucking weird.

[Okaros]

So I read through Hanas' posts (again).

Their one and only and single, sole opinion on ANYONE in the game came yesterday:

Quote

Posting (or even reading) from a phone sucks, I don't know how you all manage it. I've barely caught up. At the moment Kilava is bugging me but can't do a proper read on them - drive by and trying to be aggravating whilst not actually doing anything is what I'm getting there

Hanas literally never commented, not even once, on anything that happened around Thyrllan's lynch.


I mean - what is that? What conclusion does one reach from that level of...nothing?!

[Gait]

Okaros, on 28 May 2020 - 02:29 PM, said:

I had a look through the day 3 convos following Thyr's lynch, I can't find anything about Osseric in there involving or relating to Kalse, so I don't know where you're getting that from, Gait. Sheltatha's case on Hanas WAS seized upon by Kalse and Aranatha, the latter proceeding to fill up the thread with back-and-forth with Sheltatha which served to bury the case (Tennes then does some analyses, and Rikkter comes on subsequently with his case on Tennes), but this was in relation to Sheltatha supposedly acting 'like a symp' (Kalse's words), and there was NO 'leaning' toward Osseric (no mention at all that I could see by either Aranatha or Kalse).

There was some back-and-forth between Osseric, Sheltatha, and Tennes prior SL's vote on Hanas, but it never amounted to suspicion (though Osseric does sound scummy in their responses lol), and was never egged on by Kalse.

My read of those interactions seemed to give me very different vibes Okaros. They did not talk to each other but these are the posts they share before the Thyr lynch:

Kalse, on 15 May 2020 - 07:19 PM, said:

Kilava, on 15 May 2020 - 07:09 PM, said:

aah.... was copy pasta and clicked reply...

Osseric, on 15 May 2020 - 03:14 PM, said:

Sheltatha is spreading his focus out very thin. To me it comes across as wanting to appear like they're looking at who's scum, but adding different players to their mix to broaden their chances.

I like the Hanas train except for Sheltatha being on it. The Thyrllan train would be easy to jump on. There's little friction to doing so.

Being the filthy low poster, I need to look at the Venesara train in more detail, but I would happily vote for Sheltatha if there weren't two fundamental trains in process.

Thyrllan's train is the easiest to board.

I have to do the most with my time, which is to see which lynch will shed the most light on the game. Which player has had the most connections.

Osseric, on 15 May 2020 - 03:23 PM, said:

This post sticks out the most to me, and then there is the string of Thyrllan posts that are nothing short of boosting their post count. I could go with either.

vote Venesara

Around to switch votes to Thyrllan as well.

Osseric, on 15 May 2020 - 03:26 PM, said:

It's what I see. You don't have a train on you, and I'm not going to make a new one. Not right now.

this reads so weird to me, why the obsession with being on the "right" train, as if there were such a thing? he mentions hanas, thyr, and ven....then said he would vote shelly if not for the TWO trains going...OK....

thyr's train is easiest? you can go with either? you're around to switch? you will only vote for trains not start new ones?

@ this point ven is @ 3 and thyr is @ 4 and osseric drops a vote on ven to tie the votes and make either train viable now, it took a vote from tennes to put thyr ahead. why not just vote thyr if you think it is the best option, and why put your vote elsewhere? it looks like you are trying to push any opportunity to get ven lynched and hiding behind a proposed thyr vote if you decide to, I guess...yeah, I don't like it, this doesn't make sense. also those posts are train wrecks of garbage (see what I did there) but crappy play isn't the main problem

need to look at osseric tomorrow and hopefully ven / hanas show up. I was here to switch if needed anyway, knowing that if I pulled my vote from ven everything unbalances and thyr is the only target. it seems like osseric cares more about thyr not getting lynched than lynching ven, and I don't like that either, when thyr was ahead 3/4.

remove vote

vote thyrllan

Fully agreed. I don't like any of the votes on on Vesara until now except mine (and that included yours ) So Imma switch before I leave for the night.

I would have preferred Hanas, but besides the strange timing of the first two votes, I can't say I disagree with anything that was said against Mr "How-do-you-do-fellow-average-town-people?"

remove vote


vote Thyrllan

This is the interaction, I quoted it earlier. To be clear, it is not Kalse on Osseric, its Kalse agreeing with criticism on the Venesara train, particularly the reasoning Osseric laid down.
In essence building suspiscion on Osseric which stuck a bit in D3.

Later this was discussed and like I say I thought this was an indication that maybe Kalse was not too attached. When Osseric interacts with players Kalse almost ignores them. maybe town "leaning" towards Osseric is a hard read on my part but if Kalse and Aranatha hadn't started that argument with SL, SLs vote on Hanas may have actually registered with more players?


Seriously Okaros Its alot of threads im trying to link. The fact is I think Kalse was more averse to pressure on Hannas and less interested in Osseric.

if my facts aren't straight fine but the point is worth sharing and fuckme I have been trying.

[Okaros]

What we seem to be boiling down to is, if there is a scum pair left, then it's either Gait-Kilava, or Hanas-Aranatha.

Gait/Kilava look much better in terms of the Thyrllan train, less good in terms of more recent activity.

Aranatha probably reads the least scummy (to me - others may differ?), but has also sometimes clogged up the thread and has had blinkers on for one player for days (Tennes) - not sure that qualifies as scummy in and of itself, might come down more to individual player behaviour. They have, however, also been accused (in less overt terms than Gait) of pre-empting an inno CF (with Rikkter I think), and then there's the jumping around from Hanas to Gait earlier today...which could be read either way.

Hanas I have nothing good to say about.

[Aranatha]

Okaros, on 28 May 2020 - 03:09 PM, said:

What we seem to be boiling down to is, if there is a scum pair left, then it's either Gait-Kilava, or Hanas-Aranatha.

Gait/Kilava look much better in terms of the Thyrllan train, less good in terms of more recent activity.

Aranatha probably reads the least scummy (to me - others may differ?), but has also sometimes clogged up the thread and has had blinkers on for one player for days (Tennes) - not sure that qualifies as scummy in and of itself, might come down more to individual player behaviour. They have, however, also been accused (in less overt terms than Gait) of pre-empting an inno CF (with Rikkter I think), and then there's the jumping around from Hanas to Gait earlier today...which could be read either way.

Hanas I have nothing good to say about.

I suppose it could be a Kilava-Hanas combo aswell, but it does seem less likely. We need to strategically vote so that we get the most information. There could be different ways of looking at that, so I'm not completely locked into any way of voting right now, although I think we probably will get most out of a Gait vote, but that might just be me. I'll be back in a couple of hours.

[Gait]

I agree, We cant look at it in isolation, but we did look at all the trains before.

here:

Barghast, on 27 May 2020 - 12:00 PM, said:

Was just working on a somewhat better readable version

Path-Shaper, on 13 May 2020 - 09:18 PM, said:

It is day 1. 0 hours remaining.

21 people left alive; Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Merrid, Okaros, Okral Lom, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Skintick, Tennes, Thyr, Venesara. 11 votes to lynch.

11 votes Okral Lom; Rikkter, Skintick, Kalse, Gait, Tennes, Fanderay, Aranatha, Ruse, Jalan, Prazec Goul, Merrid

1 vote Osseric; Hanas

1 vote Merrid; Okral Lom

1 vote Thyrllan; Barghast

Players not voted; Gamelon, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Sheltatha Lore, Thyr, Venesara.

Okral Lom is dead. They were Dunsparrow and town.

Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2020 - 09:13 PM, said:

It is day 2. About 0 hours remaining.

19 people left alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Skintick, Tennes, Thyr, Venesara.

2 votes Venesara: Okaros, Osseric

10 votes Thyrllan; Skintick, Jalan, Barghast, Gait, Tennes, Kilava, Kalse, Ruse, Aranatha, Prazec Goul

1 vote Fanderay; Thyrllan

2 votes Hanas; Rikkter, Sheltatha Lore

Players not voted; Fanderay, Gamelon, Hanas, Prazec Goul, Venesara.

Thyrllan has been lynched. He was Peanutbutta and Scum

Pre-switch

Path-Shaper, on 19 May 2020 - 09:00 AM, said:

It is day 3. About 2 hours remaining.

17 people left alive. Aranatha, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Tennes, Venesara.

7 votes Rikkter; Jalan, Barghast Sheltatha Lore, Fanderay, Prazec Goul, Ruse, Gait, (Aranatha), [Okaros after switch]

1 vote Ruse; Tennes

2 votes Tennes; Rikkter, Aranatha(not)

1 vote Venesara; Kalse

Players not voted; Gamelon, Hanas, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Venesara.

Path-Shaper, on 21 May 2020 - 12:19 PM, said:

It is day 3 4. 0 minutes remaining remaining.

13 people left alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Hanas, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Tennes, Venesara.

7 to lynch.

1 vote Gait; Fanderay

2 votes Tennes; Ruse, Aranatha

7 votes Prazec; Barghast, Tennes, Sheltatha Lore, Okaros, Gait, Hanas, Venesara

Players not voted; Kilava, Osseric, Prazec Goul,

Prazec Goul is lynched. She was Lady Bliss and RI.

Path-Shaper, on 25 May 2020 - 03:12 PM, said:

It is day 4 5. 0 minutes remaining.

11 people left alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Hanas, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Sheltatha Lore, Tennes, Venesara.

Day timed out without a lynch.

3 votes Tennes; Aranatha, Okaros, Gait

5 votes Osseric: Tennes, Fanderay, Sheltatha, Hanas, Barghast

Players not voted; Fanderay, Hanas, Kilava, Osseric, Venesara.

edit: removed abundant quote, corrected day numbers

edit: turns out strikethrough doesn't really work with 4, further formatting

Posting these here and updating

Path-Shaper, on 27 May 2020 - 06:08 PM, said:

They did their best. One person after another fingered by the townsfolk. Normally that would constitute a good time but there was no climax. That made it an anti climax.

It is day 5. 0 minutes remaining.

10 players left alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Hanas, Kilava, Okaros, Osseric, Sheltatha Lore, Venesara. 

6 votes to lynch.

5 vote Hanas; Okaros, Gait, Barghast, Sheltatha, Kilava

Players not voted; Aranatha, Fanderay, Hanas, Osseric, Venesara

I am not a fan of lists but this is a good overall read of the game.

Edit Orange on all six suspects

This post has been edited by Gait: 28 May 2020 - 03:18 PM

[Barghast]

Okaros, on 28 May 2020 - 03:09 PM, said:

What we seem to be boiling down to is, if there is a scum pair left, then it's either Gait-Kilava, or Hanas-Aranatha.

I don't see Gait-Aranatha but Gait-Hanas is entirely plausible imo, in which case

Okaros, on 28 May 2020 - 03:09 PM, said:

Gait/Kilava look much better in terms of the Thyrllan train, less good in terms of more recent activity.

only Gait does, Kilava I'd put in the same category as Aranatha as far as Thyrtrain goes

And Kilava-Aranatha is plausible too imo, don't think the two interacted much until recently

Okaros, on 28 May 2020 - 03:09 PM, said:

Aranatha probably reads the least scummy (to me - others may differ?), but has also sometimes clogged up the thread and has had blinkers on for one player for days (Tennes) - not sure that qualifies as scummy in and of itself, might come down more to individual player behaviour. They have, however, also been accused (in less overt terms than Gait) of pre-empting an inno CF (with Rikkter I think)

That's right

[Okaros]

Aranatha, on 28 May 2020 - 03:16 PM, said:

Okaros, on 28 May 2020 - 03:09 PM, said:

What we seem to be boiling down to is, if there is a scum pair left, then it's either Gait-Kilava, or Hanas-Aranatha.

Gait/Kilava look much better in terms of the Thyrllan train, less good in terms of more recent activity.

Aranatha probably reads the least scummy (to me - others may differ?), but has also sometimes clogged up the thread and has had blinkers on for one player for days (Tennes) - not sure that qualifies as scummy in and of itself, might come down more to individual player behaviour. They have, however, also been accused (in less overt terms than Gait) of pre-empting an inno CF (with Rikkter I think), and then there's the jumping around from Hanas to Gait earlier today...which could be read either way.

Hanas I have nothing good to say about.

I suppose it could be a Kilava-Hanas combo aswell, but it does seem less likely. We need to strategically vote so that we get the most information. There could be different ways of looking at that, so I'm not completely locked into any way of voting right now, although I think we probably will get most out of a Gait vote, but that might just be me. I'll be back in a couple of hours.

You're right, it could be that too. Sigh.

Well, Kilava-Hanas or Kilava-Gait makes Kilava the common denominator and so super-scientifically perhaps the best lynch, unless you're the scum

[Gait]

Why do we ignore a Hanas Aranatha combo?

[Barghast]

Okaros, on 28 May 2020 - 03:09 PM, said:

What we seem to be boiling down to is, if there is a scum pair left, then it's either Gait-Kilava, or Hanas-Aranatha.

[Gait]

Barghast, on 28 May 2020 - 03:24 PM, said:

Okaros, on 28 May 2020 - 03:09 PM, said:

What we seem to be boiling down to is, if there is a scum pair left, then it's either Gait-Kilava, or Hanas-Aranatha.

I meant the common denominator thing.

Thought it odd

[Okaros]

Gait, on 28 May 2020 - 03:23 PM, said:

Why do we ignore a Hanas Aranatha combo?

Not really sure, actually probably best to just ignore my 'pairs' post. I suppose they seem quite willing to lynch Hanas now (though they've also just expressed a preference for you), although they did previously voice the opinion that Hanas is town (according to my notes, not sure when or in what context).

[Kilava]

I'm popping in and out

okaros that is the worst logic ever, worthy only of scum

did you ever respond about hanas? you were so sure earlier today when voting. now apparently it's possible that gait/me are your scum targets? what happened to hanas?

I have to say, it's not impossible, but does anyone really think we're goign to find both scum today? playing this up by pairing everyone off seems a mite suspicious