[Okaros]

Barghast, on 28 May 2020 - 09:44 AM, said:

Okaros, on 27 May 2020 - 09:14 PM, said:

Errr... did Gait just reveal knowledge of a CF we didn’t get???

Since Gait's only response is to... walk away and cry about our distrust...

I also tend to think of modkills as ris sometimes. There's the first obvious point that thinking about them as scum doesn't help anything, and since our roles have apparently been resolved ris are all that's left. Then there's the point of the wording "roleless", a missing role in the cf kinda leads my inner processes to put said cf in the roleless category

I don’t know if I can let this one go like the others though. Surely if someone talks about a CF that isn’t there you have to lynch them right?! My other question is why is Gait’s lynch not being jumped on like Hanas’ was earlier in the day? Was my post about Kalse and Hanas just that convincing or did scum smell an easy opportunity?

[Aranatha]

Okaros, on 28 May 2020 - 09:56 AM, said:

did scum smell an easy opportunity?

Definitely a possibility.

[Barghast]

Okaros, on 28 May 2020 - 09:56 AM, said:

Barghast, on 28 May 2020 - 09:44 AM, said:

Okaros, on 27 May 2020 - 09:14 PM, said:

Errr... did Gait just reveal knowledge of a CF we didn’t get???

Since Gait's only response is to... walk away and cry about our distrust...

I also tend to think of modkills as ris sometimes. There's the first obvious point that thinking about them as scum doesn't help anything, and since our roles have apparently been resolved ris are all that's left. Then there's the point of the wording "roleless", a missing role in the cf kinda leads my inner processes to put said cf in the roleless category

I don’t know if I can let this one go like the others though. Surely if someone talks about a CF that isn’t there you have to lynch them right?!

Well yeah it's the reasonable order of things

[Gait]

Look. I am tired of pointing back at the lynch trains. This last lynch train hasnt even been looked at before our VPI player landed a vote. I'm here because scum wants a case to deflect to, and knows how to play this particular card. Its the only reason I have survived this long.

I have little faith guys like Venesara or Hanas will actually read back and make cases.
When I do, either its full of "mistakes" or its not trustworthy. ALSO you completely ignore the actual content.

It shouldn't be hard to look at the Hanas switch and take not of the presence of scum, or lack there of. It shouldn't be hard to draw parallels to the Thyr Vote train. That's worth a look before you run after the scum diversion.

I'll be around to see how this plays out but honestly I cant offer much more than what I already have.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 6. 30 hours 20 minutes remaining.

8 players left alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Hanas, Kilava, Venesara. 

5 votes to lynch.

3 votes for Gait; Fanderay, Aranatha, Okaros
1 votes Hanas; Gait


Players not voted; Barghast, Hanas, Kilava, Venesara.

[Gait]

I'm gonna give this one more try.

Okaros, on 28 May 2020 - 09:40 AM, said:

@Barghast:

What are your thoughts on Gait’s Osseric CF comments? Genuine mistake or accidentally revealed knowledge?

@Gait: Why not at least try to explain what you were chatting about with Kalse supposedly being suspicious of Osseric, when they hardly ever mentioned them at all?

Kalse had barely any interaction with Osseric and I thought it worth attention that he pushes against Sheltathas reversion to Hanas as strongly as he did because at that point discussion was focused on Osseric looking Scummy.

Kalse, on 16 May 2020 - 11:12 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 16 May 2020 - 10:01 AM, said:

Kalse, on 16 May 2020 - 07:21 AM, said:

OK, I noticed two things in re-reading the end of day:

First is this trio of posts:

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 08:28 PM, said:

There's some really interesting divides going on about who is scummy or not, and that should give us some valuable information as to who is who once we get a lynch result. I'm really not excited about being on the same train as Tennes and gang, but Thyrrlan seems to be the only lynch option. Should be interesting to see who votes for him and who doesn't. Might aswell rip off the band aid.

remove vote
Vote Thyrllan

Edited: just to add the bold

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 09:23 PM, said:

I told yah we would get some good information out of this, but oh man I'm so happy right now, I didn't expect us to hit a scum this early!

Aranatha, on 15 May 2020 - 09:31 PM, said:

What's the likelihood that their scum friends voted for him? Not very high, so we should probably start looking closely at anyone that voted for someone else, or didn't vote. So much more to go on now than before.

I mean, read all this with "The Room"-level acting skills and it's almost too on the nose. Then again, killers usually try to stay average and Thyrlann actually had some posts where he was writing about how average he was.

This is precisely why I was all over him last night.
when I read these posts I couldn't believe what I was reading.

He actively sets himself up for "glory" when reluctantly voting Thyr, and once the Lynch result comes out he cashes in and gives himself a giant reach-around to congratulate himself for doing it.
He is very critical of anyone who didn't vote suddenly, even tho he apparently didn't like to be on the train with Tennes. Wishy Washy AF.

Then he goes on to push a narrative that comes dangerously close to exonerating those on the vote train (himself or perhaps its others on the train he is protecting) using terribly flimsy logic.
And starts attacking people (me for one) who didn't vote.


I wasn't arguing with him for no reason last night, I was seeing how far he would push his narrative. He didn't back down much, but he did start to slightly side step his narrative when he I pointed the flaws in his logic.
He also doubled down on attacking me for pointing out the flaws.
All this was very interesting to me.

I would build a case on him if it didn't seem self serving and end up detracting from the case coming from me...
Perhaps I will anyways.
I think there is a lot to be found in Aranatha and his erratic "aggressive" single minded approach since day one (actually that in of itself is interesting because both days he came at me and Tennes after voting for Thyr...)

Looking at the posts after Thyr came out...at a glance, Gait, Kalse and Aranatha immediately stand out as people who seemed to be trying to push a narrative away from a Thyr Lynch. And probably all need to be looked at this weekend.
If I have time I will try and look at all three and try put something tough.

For now
Vote Hanas




Because my case on them is still valid, they have had zero interaction with Thyr that I can remember
And much like Thyr, they coasting and have yet to come back and respond to any of the accusations.

Really?
- We have a scum lynch and you fall back to "well, I still like my case from yesterday..."?
- You say there were efforts to push away from Thyrllan (I presume by scum) and you vote for one of target that was pushed as an alternative?

You voted about 10 times and I don't remember a single meaningful one, now you dilute the thread at an important time with your "re-read" spam, I mean, please read, process and come back with something more focused.

SL may have noticed later on in the game that Kalse was unhappy with this particular direction. Later We get mixed discussion however I think we understate how "OK" Kalse was with pressure on Osseric but how sharply he responds to pressure on Hanas.

If we are talking knee jerk defence Both Aranatha and Kalse heavily criticise SL for raising this up during a discussion that seemed to lean towards Osseric.

In my re-reads I find it more and more convincing Kalse was not ok with this.

[Okaros]

Here’s the thing:

If I was scum and you, Gait, were inno, I would absolutely be hammering you over and over for your CF mistake and demanding that you be lynched over it. It’s an easy win for me.

But...nobody is. Nobody’s rushing to vote for you. That in itself seems to say a lot.

I’m going to look over this start of day 2 talk about Osseric myself, which isn’t indicated in the posts you copied, but at the moment I can’t see myself changing my vote.

[Gait]

Okaros, on 28 May 2020 - 12:56 PM, said:

Here’s the thing:

If I was scum and you, Gait, were inno, I would absolutely be hammering you over and over for your CF mistake and demanding that you be lynched over it. It’s an easy win for me.

But...nobody is. Nobody’s rushing to vote for you. That in itself seems to say a lot.

I’m going to look over this start of day 2 talk about Osseric myself, which isn’t indicated in the posts you copied, but at the moment I can’t see myself changing my vote.

You make the assumption Scum is not already on the train on me...?

Hanas has not voted yet but you need 5 votes to lynch. If I were a betting man I'd assume One Scum is already on the train and the other is waiting to hammer.
If one were scum, wouldn't they be waiting for Town to put me at L-1?

[Kilava]

Okaros, on 28 May 2020 - 12:56 PM, said:

Here’s the thing:

If I was scum and you, Gait, were inno, I would absolutely be hammering you over and over for your CF mistake and demanding that you be lynched over it. It’s an easy win for me.

But...nobody is. Nobody’s rushing to vote for you. That in itself seems to say a lot.

I’m going to look over this start of day 2 talk about Osseric myself, which isn’t indicated in the posts you copied, but at the moment I can’t see myself changing my vote.

well yeah true but still just wifom. surprised you're guessing at scum reasoning on thread tbh.

okaros, you made a decent case on hanas, as solid as anything we've really seen in the last couple game days. now we have the gait CF clusterfuck (see what I did there). you've switched to gait, said you're comfortable - what are your thoughts on hanas now?

[Barghast]

Worth noting this is only dday if there's a symp

Killers may not know if they have a symp, and if they do they are unlikely to be certain who it is/was

Which in my eyes makes them unlikely to try to pull off a speed hammer or some other stunt that would obviously look dodgy, said symp would be something else though

[Okaros]

I'm not talking about putting down a vote, I'm talking about pushing other people to vote - shouting to anyone who'll listen that here is someone who has revealed knowledge they wouldn't have if they were town, pushing others to lynch them. That's not happening with Gait, nobody is doing that. You can WIFOM blah blah blah me all you want, but Gait is a ridiculously easy target right now - as well as one easy to afterwards say "oh well, we couldn't have NOT lynched him after that!" And yet there seems to be a 'wait and see' approach going around right now. That strikes me as odd, if Gait were truly town.

[Okaros]

Kilava, on 28 May 2020 - 01:21 PM, said:

Okaros, on 28 May 2020 - 12:56 PM, said:

Here's the thing:

If I was scum and you, Gait, were inno, I would absolutely be hammering you over and over for your CF mistake and demanding that you be lynched over it. It's an easy win for me.

But...nobody is. Nobody's rushing to vote for you. That in itself seems to say a lot.

I'm going to look over this start of day 2 talk about Osseric myself, which isn't indicated in the posts you copied, but at the moment I can't see myself changing my vote.

well yeah true but still just wifom. surprised you're guessing at scum reasoning on thread tbh.

okaros, you made a decent case on hanas, as solid as anything we've really seen in the last couple game days. now we have the gait CF clusterfuck (see what I did there). you've switched to gait, said you're comfortable - what are your thoughts on hanas now?

I still find them very scummy-looking. It's not like they've said much since to dissuade me of that. However, some doubt was put in me with the speed with which people started piling on to Hanas (in interesting contrast to Gait). Yeah, maybe my powers of persuasion are just that good, but not much else in my play this game would suggest that!

[Gait]

So what you're saying then is no one is doing what you infact are doing?

I mean how else can one push this CF argument except state it happened?

[Okaros]

Gait, on 28 May 2020 - 01:43 PM, said:

So what you're saying then is no one is doing what you infact are doing?

I mean how else can one push this CF argument except state it happened?

Right. Why is no one echoing me? Why is no one actively backing up what I'm saying? If you're town, isn't that suspicious? After all, it's such a sensible-seeming, easily-explained lynch.

Or am I crazy?

[Gait]

I dont see the similarity.

A Hanas vote yesterday had far less weight than todays a vote.

[Barghast]

Voting today:

Fanderay votes Gait (1)

Okaros votes Hanas (1)

Gait votes Hanas (2)

Kilava votes Hanas (3)
Kilava removes Hanas (2)

Aranatha votes Hanas (3)

Kilava votes Hanas (4)

Aranatha removes Hanas (3)
Aranatha votes Gait(2)

Okaros removes Hanas(2)
Okaros votes Gait(3)

Kilava removes Hanas (1)

[Okaros]

Alright, I'm looking back through some things (not necessarily related to Gait ):


Okaros, Osseric, Rikkter, Sheltatha Lore, Fanderay, Gamelon, Hanas, Venesara


These were the people NOT on Thyrllan's train. NONE of them have been confirmed as scum as yet. Osseric or Gamelon may have been, we don't know. Hanas and Venesara are the only living unknowns there.

[Okaros]

So unless we choose to believe that three scum were on Thyr's train, one of Gamelon, Osseric, Hanas, Venesara have/had to be scum. Which, to my mind, means they're either dead (Gamelon/Osseric), or Hanas - because of how Ven got caught up in the whole Thyr back and forth.

Edit: I should say 'at least one of'

This post has been edited by Okaros: 28 May 2020 - 02:08 PM

[Aranatha]

I just want to point out that Kilava seemingly have big trouble even considering gait as scum, even though the argument at least as good as anything else right now. It's weird.

[Barghast]

So the Hanas pile up is Gait, Aranatha, Kilava

If Hanas was scum the pile up could be explained by their partner trying not to be missing from their train, and piling up on someone to make them look more inno is a wholly valid tactic too