[Sheltatha Lore]

Okaros, on 19 May 2020 - 08:21 AM, said:

Two things:

- People either didn't read the OP or are being deliberately obtuse when it comes to numbers of scum - I suspect the latter.

- I think Gait makes a valid point. If we're saying that Thyrrrrllllllannn was deflecting from Rikkter, which seems to form one half of the case against Rikkter, then why is the fact that they do the same kind of thing for Venesara, who was actually in trouble, being ignored?

It's not being ignored. IT's been noted many times. And seems to almost have had everyone come on with an input on the WIFOM behind his decisions at that point.


The question is...Do you think that that ALONE warrants a Ven Lynch today?

I mean look at it the other way...It could just be something as simple as Thyrllan didn't want to be perceived as someone (at that time) who is just jumping onto the only other viable train after receiving some votes/pressure.
After all, that is the type of stuff we look out for. And the people pressuring him would perhaps have called him out on it. So it's not a silver bullet per-say evidence wise.

It is very interesting tho. and worth discussing. sure.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 08:53 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 19 May 2020 - 08:42 AM, said:

Kilava, on 19 May 2020 - 08:14 AM, said:

Is the Rikkter vote our only hope?

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no... lots of people to still need to vote and things can change quickly.

I for one could easily swap my vote for a low laying player like Hanas, Ruse or Prazec (or even you).

Maybe more so Prazec as they seem to be continuing on the same "drive by voting on the most likely train" and then disappearing vibe.

Tennes, I would vote for if it's necessary to get a Lynch.
But don't really see a point in pursuing a case that I know for a fact to be seriously flawed.

Although...The good thing about a Tennes Lynch would be that it would give us a lot of info on todays (and day 2) proceedings.
Probably even more more than a Rikkter lynch. Since I think Tennes has been slightly more active than him.

But lynching purely for info is not exactly the best way to go about it.

Well thats a surprise. Why do you thinK a Tennes CF would be more useful?

I say this knowing it would be useful but interested to understand your reasoning since you have been against Rikkter most of today.

I literally said why in the post....

[Sheltatha Lore]

Basically Tennes has had a shit ton more interactions than Rikkter...at leat I believe that to be so.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Ruse, on 19 May 2020 - 08:33 AM, said:

Okaros, on 19 May 2020 - 08:21 AM, said:

Two things:

- People either didn't read the OP or are being deliberately obtuse when it comes to numbers of scum - I suspect the latter.

- I think Gait makes a valid point. If we're saying that Thyrrrrllllllannn was deflecting from Rikkter, which seems to form one half of the case against Rikkter, then why is the fact that they do the same kind of thing for Venesara, who was actually in trouble, being ignored?

From reading the thread, I think Rikkter's D3 play may have had some part in that. He supposedly got flustered and replied "with a barrage of quotes & and a flimsy case" to some pressure coming his way.

I disagree with that interpretation of the thread. I think making a case on someone (regardless of the case quality) is a pretty normal Mafia thing to do. Just because somebody has received a couple of votes does not make the fact that they made a case scummy.

The "Thyrllan deflecting things from Rikkter" read does not register either. The best way to deflect suspicion off Rikkter at that point (even though Rikkter didn't need the deflection) would have been to strengthen alternative lynch trains, e.g. a Venesara vote.

Overall, Thyrllan's post re Rikkter is suspicious but it is certainly not the most suspicious thing that should be investigated. I would say my highest priorities would be pressuring Prazec for his hammer on D2 (I think it might have been distancing) and more importantly continuing the inquiry into the Venesara situation.

I don't see a lynch on Venesara happening today, however, and because "a lynch a day keeps the doctor away," I am going to lay my vote down on Rikkter for now.

Vote Rikkter

Tennes and Barghast's concerns regarding my low-posting ways are valid. In fact, in other games I would be among those advocating for the low-poster witch hunt. However, life is life and I have been busy; I can't do much to help that. I hope to have more time to contribute this week.

hmmmm...

Ruse, on 19 May 2020 - 08:34 AM, said:

To clarify, I vote above because I am going to sleep and won't be around to change it later.

wow... ok...as predicted.

[Hanas]

Sheltatha Lore, on 19 May 2020 - 09:21 AM, said:

Ruse, on 19 May 2020 - 08:34 AM, said:

To clarify, I vote above because I am going to sleep and won't be around to change it later.

wow... ok...as predicted.

I find myself agreeing with Shelly here. I'll be around on and off for the next hour or more, got bits to do but will check in but I'm going to look at Ruse. No chance of a lynch today but even so.

[Hanas]

Shhesh. Ruse is playing low. I'm not going to quote-block because with 11 posts it really isn't needed.

Hes clearly paying attention, some speculation without making waves. 3 votes with 1 line justifications. The only one they've put anything together for is Rikkter to justify jumping onto that train. I want to vote that way but there isn't any point this late in the day. Thoughts from anyone else?

[Aranatha]

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 08:49 AM, said:

Fair enough.

Thats 6 votes on Rikkter and not enough time to build a train on Venesara IMO.



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This would not be the CF I'd find most useful but I agree with a need to get it out the way. I think it confused alot of people and maybe we need to establish some clarity.

Indeed fair enough. As much as I dislike the arguments for the train, I can't deny there could be something there, even if it's remote. The whole thing makes me skin crawl, but what can you do. Maybe there's a reason for that I'm not seeing yet.

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[Hanas]

Aranatha, on 19 May 2020 - 10:05 AM, said:

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 08:49 AM, said:

Fair enough.

Thats 6 votes on Rikkter and not enough time to build a train on Venesara IMO.



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This would not be the CF I'd find most useful but I agree with a need to get it out the way. I think it confused alot of people and maybe we need to establish some clarity.

Indeed fair enough. As much as I dislike the arguments for the train, I can't deny there could be something there, even if it's remote. The whole thing makes me skin crawl, but what can you do. Maybe there's a reason for that I'm not seeing yet.

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Vote Rikkter

Sorry what? The case makes your skin crawl? Maybe there's a reason? That's why you're jumping on?

[Aranatha]

Hanas, on 19 May 2020 - 10:01 AM, said:

Shhesh. Ruse is playing low. I'm not going to quote-block because with 11 posts it really isn't needed.

Hes clearly paying attention, some speculation without making waves. 3 votes with 1 line justifications. The only one they've put anything together for is Rikkter to justify jumping onto that train. I want to vote that way but there isn't any point this late in the day. Thoughts from anyone else?

My thinking is that with only 1 hour or so left (I believe?), it's not longer possible to change the target of the lynch in a viable way. Add to that a certain dissent that can't be settled any other way than by testing the Rikkter theory, not voting for him would be a disservice at this point.

[Okaros]

Hanas, on 19 May 2020 - 10:01 AM, said:

Shhesh. Ruse is playing low. I'm not going to quote-block because with 11 posts it really isn't needed.

Hes clearly paying attention, some speculation without making waves. 3 votes with 1 line justifications. The only one they've put anything together for is Rikkter to justify jumping onto that train. I want to vote that way but there isn't any point this late in the day. Thoughts from anyone else?

I agree. I would rather vote on Ven, Ruse, or Prazec than Rikkter. Ruse’s post boils down to, ‘Rikkter is town, but I’ve decided it’s the only option for today.’

[Okaros]

To elaborate, Ruse’s vote moved the needle from 5 votes for Rikkter to 3 for the next-highest (Tennes), to 6-3. To my mind Rikkter wasn’t the only option till Ruse made a move to make it so.

[Gait]

Sheltatha Lore, on 19 May 2020 - 09:18 AM, said:

Basically Tennes has had a shit ton more interactions than Rikkter...at leat I believe that to be so.

Well I dont know if that makes a Tennes CF more valuable.

In my mind a Rikkter CF clarifies the case he made or atleast it clarifies that this was or was not a killers case.
After that we can either see the cases value (or lack there of) and decide to follow up on Tennes or not.

I feel that I have been ignoring the low-posters and feel I'd rather see a Rikkter/Tennes decision closer to end game than anything with Venesara, Prazec or Ruse.

I think we missed the bus on turning this around and a lynch today is way better than no lynch, even Rikkter acknowledged this which makes me think he'll CF inno and falls in my PI category.

[Aranatha]

Hanas, on 19 May 2020 - 10:07 AM, said:

Aranatha, on 19 May 2020 - 10:05 AM, said:

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 08:49 AM, said:

Fair enough.

Thats 6 votes on Rikkter and not enough time to build a train on Venesara IMO.



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Vote Rikkter

This would not be the CF I'd find most useful but I agree with a need to get it out the way. I think it confused alot of people and maybe we need to establish some clarity.

Indeed fair enough. As much as I dislike the arguments for the train, I can't deny there could be something there, even if it's remote. The whole thing makes me skin crawl, but what can you do. Maybe there's a reason for that I'm not seeing yet.

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Vote Rikkter

Sorry what? The case makes your skin crawl? Maybe there's a reason? That's why you're jumping on?

Not the case as much as the arguments that apparently are accepted reasons to vote so far in the game - meaning I think people are being a bit lazy about it. I've tried to make people actually put an effort into it, but I guess it all plays a part. When we get the result we'll have a lot to unpack. Also my skin crawling might just be a reaction to how Shel reacted to the cases people brought.

[Gait]

Theres enough of us around...

are we gonna try shift?

If we are, which makes more sense? Ruse or Venesara?

[Aranatha]

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 10:15 AM, said:

Theres enough of us around...

are we gonna try shift?

If we are, which makes more sense? Ruse or Venesara?

That drive by vote Ruse did literally made me want to kill him right away. I'd be down for a Ruse lynch.

[Hanas]

Gait, on 19 May 2020 - 10:15 AM, said:

Theres enough of us around...

are we gonna try shift?

If we are, which makes more sense? Ruse or Venesara?

9 to lynch so I don't really see there being enough around in the next hour to get enough votes anywhere else, just make a bloody mess of the end of day as we all panic back and forth trying to get majority anywhere.

I've not currently voted.

[Aranatha]

Hey, I can try it. I mean the bastard already did a couple of those drive by votes.

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Vote Ruse

[Hanas]

Rikkter is at L-1 at the moment.

[Aranatha]

Not anymore he is. How many is here? I think it's possible we have enough of us here to change. Maybe.

[Hanas]

Hanas, on 19 May 2020 - 10:21 AM, said:

Rikkter is at L-1 at the moment.

L-2.

There's you, me, Gait, Okaros and maybe Sheltatha. That's not enough