[Sheltatha Lore]

Okaros, on 14 May 2020 - 07:59 AM, said:

Hey all, really sorry for the late arrival. Completely forgot about the game, no other reason. PS sent me a message to remind me and I just saw it. Haven't read up on anything yet, no idea what's going on. I'll try to get caught up today.

Vote Okaros




mostly for motivation for you to get stuck in and little bit because of all the Freudian slips with Okaral mix ups.

[Tennes]

If this is a freudian slip, why not vote the person who slipped? But yeah, I feel like there's more to that slip so for now I'm gonna go for Prazec.

Later today I'll be rereading the thread to look at a couple of players who had a fair bit of activity but somehow flew completely under my radar D1, like Gait, Kalse, and Barghast. I saw some mentions of suspicion about Thyr too and gun to head I couldn't tell you what that's about, so I definitely need to backtrack and read up on this as well.

On another note, I find it amusing how Aranatha says they were 'prodding me' when in fact they went fucking apoplectic over a single post.


Right now, though:

Vote Prazec

[Skintick]

Transferred a bunch of work onto my local laptop, so unless I get calls with questions that require me to use the database, the connection's not that important today; should have time to re-read and see if anyone else jumps out at me the way Thyr did.




I am concerned about the low-posting wonders Gamelon and Kilava, though. Hopefully Osseric and Okaros can have some input.

I'll do a re-read in approximately 2 hours; might do an occasional refresh until then, so if people wanna talk, speak up.

[Venesara]

Barghast, on 13 May 2020 - 07:09 PM, said:

Then who do you find scummy?

Well, I had an eye on Merrid, which was dumb apparently.

I was thinking about your post from the 1st page, but I don't believe anybody else was concerned, so I'm not hanging on to that one much

Nobody really sticking out

[Venesara]

Tennes, on 13 May 2020 - 10:34 PM, said:

Two observations from end of D1:

Prazec mistaking Okral for Okaros. There was an ongoing conversation about Okral and Prazec themselves mentioned Okral in previous posts. Okaros, meanwhile, was mentioned like once or twice on thread. Why would Okaros even be on Prazec's mind. Smells of a slip.

Venesara came on thread hours before timeout and was supposed to have been catching up. They then went on to quote some stuff that looks like a random collection of posts, without really committing to anything and avoiding to pass judgement. Textbook example of trying to look like you're contributing without actually sticking your neck out. They didn't even vote.

How much commitment is needed from someone that doesn't have a case to present? Why would I vote when the lynch already had enough?

[Venesara]

Kalse, on 14 May 2020 - 05:09 AM, said:

Tennes, on 13 May 2020 - 10:34 PM, said:

Two observations from end of D1:

Prazec mistaking Okral for Okaros. There was an ongoing conversation about Okral and Prazec themselves mentioned Okral in previous posts. Okaros, meanwhile, was mentioned like once or twice on thread. Why would Okaros even be on Prazec's mind. Smells of a slip.

Venesara came on thread hours before timeout and was supposed to have been catching up. They then went on to quote some stuff that looks like a random collection of posts, without really committing to anything and avoiding to pass judgement. Textbook example of trying to look like you're contributing without actually sticking your neck out. They didn't even vote.

About Prazec, when I was catching up my first thought was "let's see that because of that we miss the lynch by one vote and Prazec will be all sorry guyz I confused an we would waste a lynch, and second day of arguing about it - great symp play!". But then it turned out there was enough time for him to get corrected and even an extra vote to be safe.

Venesara basically admitted that they catch up the thread reading the posts non-sequentially. Now, to each their own, but that sounds more like scanning for things to quote in order to appear to contribute than actually trying to get actionnable information.

You use the word "admitted" in a context that suggests something shameful about the direction I read. Come on, that's pitiful.

[Venesara]

Sheltatha Lore, on 14 May 2020 - 10:23 AM, said:

Okaros, on 14 May 2020 - 07:59 AM, said:

Hey all, really sorry for the late arrival. Completely forgot about the game, no other reason. PS sent me a message to remind me and I just saw it. Haven't read up on anything yet, no idea what's going on. I'll try to get caught up today.

Vote Okaros




mostly for motivation for you to get stuck in and little bit because of all the Freudian slips with Okaral mix ups.

What is the reasoning behind your concern with the name mistake?

[Venesara]

Also, Kalse makes his comment in a fashion to support the previous mild concern of Tennes. That doesn't seem exactly coincidental to me.

I meant to include this in my previous response and forgot.

[Kilava]

also, fuck, whoops. oh well

Venesara, on 14 May 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

Barghast, on 13 May 2020 - 07:09 PM, said:

Then who do you find scummy?

Well, I had an eye on Merrid, which was dumb apparently.

I was thinking about your post from the 1st page, but I don't believe anybody else was concerned, so I'm not hanging on to that one much

Nobody really sticking out

not if you are the scum...jeez

dawg l2multiquote. stop peddling your post padding garbage just get it THE HELL OUT OF HERE

also nice distancing keep repeating how little you had to do with merrid and how dumb you were to even think it oh lordy how shall you survive your own stupidity except by posting about it !! i'm sure you did have your little eye on merrid

vote venesara

[Prazec Goul]

Back and catching up. It looks like we got our worst possible outcome for day 1 in losing our healer.

I need to reread day 1 before I form any opinions.

[Kalse]

OK, I reread the first day. I'm not sure I picked up something that stood out as unnatural during the lynch, maybe with more info something will come out, except this post that sticks out for me again:

Venesara, on 13 May 2020 - 03:48 PM, said:

Okral Lom, on 13 May 2020 - 03:20 PM, said:

Seems to be a done deal, but at least I can rest in peace, knowing that I was 100% right to be nervous about posting much early (I like being right!). So far, everyone who has been under serious suspicion has primarily just been guilty of being active.

Sometimes, a duck is just a duck.

I did say I would vote though. So, for being soooo perfectly mild mannered and unobtrusive...

Vote Merrid

This is why it's hard to succeed if you talk too much, or too little.

Do you seriously intend to cast shade upon Merrid?

I mean, why be angry at Okral's vote? It's not like she was trying to disrupt a lynch, what can she do, vote herself? And why is it so bad to vote Merrid?

When I asked, he first ignored it, and then said:

Venesara, on 13 May 2020 - 06:29 PM, said:

<snip>

Sorry, wasn't sure this was anything other than rhetorical. My intent was to make certain that Okral has an actual reason to vote Merrid, rather than just a deflection or random choice.

What does it mean, rhetorical? And what deflection, again, did he want Okral to vote herself? She said why the vote, Merrid was quite actively mild mannered, and I agree.

I think it was a slip of someone who knew Merrid was innocent, he did not ask "why you vote Merrid?" or "Why Merrid in particular?", but "Do you seriously intend to cast shade upon Merrid?"


there was no night for a finder to get a find, so it can't be that.


Then what happened? Merrid was killed by scum, and was inno. Was it to pre-empt accusations that that was a clumsy defence of a killer by a partner? "See, Merrid was innocent...", but then again, how did he know at the time he was innocent?



And now I see he says this:

Venesara, on 14 May 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

Barghast, on 13 May 2020 - 07:09 PM, said:

Then who do you find scummy?

Well, I had an eye on Merrid, which was dumb apparently.

I was thinking about your post from the 1st page, but I don't believe anybody else was concerned, so I'm not hanging on to that one much

Nobody really sticking out

What???

[Kalse]

It's still early in the day, and I don't want to get tunnel-vision, maybe there's another explanation for this chain of events and his posts wording.

I'm happy to read more discussions. But for now I will

vote Venesara

[Gait]

Okral gone and in my opinion railroaded to distract from Thyrllen.

Will reread to confirm it but I recall two or three overt efforts to push the vote away from thyr.

Will try lay down my thoughts later once I have had a look at the voting.

[Osseric]

Skintick, on 14 May 2020 - 01:24 PM, said:

Transferred a bunch of work onto my local laptop, so unless I get calls with questions that require me to use the database, the connection's not that important today; should have time to re-read and see if anyone else jumps out at me the way Thyr did.




I am concerned about the low-posting wonders Gamelon and Kilava, though. Hopefully Osseric and Okaros can have some input.

I'll do a re-read in approximately 2 hours; might do an occasional refresh until then, so if people wanna talk, speak up.

I'll do my best. To think, we could have been playing mafia the whole time!

Kilava, on 14 May 2020 - 02:18 PM, said:

also, fuck, whoops. oh well

Venesara, on 14 May 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

Barghast, on 13 May 2020 - 07:09 PM, said:

Then who do you find scummy?

Well, I had an eye on Merrid, which was dumb apparently.

I was thinking about your post from the 1st page, but I don't believe anybody else was concerned, so I'm not hanging on to that one much

Nobody really sticking out

not if you are the scum...jeez

dawg l2multiquote. stop peddling your post padding garbage just get it THE HELL OUT OF HERE

also nice distancing keep repeating how little you had to do with merrid and how dumb you were to even think it oh lordy how shall you survive your own stupidity except by posting about it !! i'm sure you did have your little eye on merrid

vote venesara

I'm regulated to looking over other people's findings at the moment. Nearly everything from the day has already had speculation.

This one jumps out at me the most. Why phrase it like this, or say it at all. Our usual days were 36 hours if I remember correctly, so 48 hour days are long in my thinking. We have ample opportunity to grill each other before nightfall.

[Osseric]

Gait, on 14 May 2020 - 03:54 PM, said:

Okral gone and in my opinion railroaded to distract from Thyrllen.

Will reread to confirm it but I recall two or three overt efforts to push the vote away from thyr.

Will try lay down my thoughts later once I have had a look at the voting.

This is the only other evidence from yesterday that could amount to anything. Now that I've read up, I'll be looking into making my own connections instead of commenting on the ones put forth.

[Kalse]

Kilava, on 14 May 2020 - 02:18 PM, said:

also, fuck, whoops. oh well

Venesara, on 14 May 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

Barghast, on 13 May 2020 - 07:09 PM, said:

Then who do you find scummy?

Well, I had an eye on Merrid, which was dumb apparently.

I was thinking about your post from the 1st page, but I don't believe anybody else was concerned, so I'm not hanging on to that one much

Nobody really sticking out

not if you are the scum...jeez

dawg l2multiquote. stop peddling your post padding garbage just get it THE HELL OUT OF HERE

also nice distancing keep repeating how little you had to do with merrid and how dumb you were to even think it oh lordy how shall you survive your own stupidity except by posting about it !! i'm sure you did have your little eye on merrid

vote venesara

That’s... quite of a second post.

What the hell?

[Skintick]

Vote Thyrllan




2 blocks of posts, first some jokes , and the second set of posts the next RL day inquiring about low posters. 3 posts to place them in the middle of the post count, and make It look like they're on the ball, but absolutely nothing of substance

Thyrllan, on 12 May 2020 - 04:46 PM, said:

Man, I think I understand why Mafia has been slowly dying. It's just hard to keep up with it these days. So busy.

Anyway, we have a day or so left.

Thyrllan, on 12 May 2020 - 04:50 PM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 12 May 2020 - 04:13 PM, said:

Has everyone posted now?

Looks like the only person we're missing is Venesara.

Thyrllan, on 12 May 2020 - 07:01 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 11 May 2020 - 08:36 PM, said:

Here it is ladies and gentlemen. The first game of 2020. I hope the first of many more. Please enjoy.

It is day one: 48 hours remaining.

21 players alive. Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Merrid, Okaros, Okral Lom, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Skintick, Tennes, Thyr, Venesara.

Votes;

Players not voted; Aranatha, Barghast, Fanderay, Gait, Gamelon, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Kilava, Merrid, Okaros, Okral Lom, Osseric, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Skintick, Tennes, Thyr, Venesara.

Prazec Goul, on 12 May 2020 - 04:13 PM, said:

Has everyone posted now?

Looks like the only person we're missing is Venesara.

Tennes, on 12 May 2020 - 05:20 PM, said:

And Okaros.

Good catch. I was looking at the list of who had posted in the thread and counted EmperorMagus.

Hiding in plain sight is what I call that.

[Jalan]

Another thing that runs a flag up for me about Thyr is there is absolutely no response to any of the votes on him.

Vote Thryllan

[Venesara]

@ Kalse

I wasn't angry at the vote – I was trying to determine if there was any basis to Okral's move against Merrid, since I was feeling suspicious of them as well (I thought I already explained to someone else)

Rhetorical posts don't require a response. Like if you said "I like pizza" and I respond "Who doesn't?"
Often when someone is facing down a train, they will suggest alternatives – any target being preferable to oneself. A good move for town is for the doomed plater to provide reasonable ideas that can be examined later, even if no change is affected.

My reply to Barghast refers to a previous post where I called attention to a possible Day 1 signal.

[Okaros]

Kalse, on 14 May 2020 - 03:41 PM, said:

OK, I reread the first day. I'm not sure I picked up something that stood out as unnatural during the lynch, maybe with more info something will come out, except this post that sticks out for me again:

Venesara, on 13 May 2020 - 03:48 PM, said:

Okral Lom, on 13 May 2020 - 03:20 PM, said:

Seems to be a done deal, but at least I can rest in peace, knowing that I was 100% right to be nervous about posting much early (I like being right!). So far, everyone who has been under serious suspicion has primarily just been guilty of being active.

Sometimes, a duck is just a duck.

I did say I would vote though. So, for being soooo perfectly mild mannered and unobtrusive...

Vote Merrid

This is why it's hard to succeed if you talk too much, or too little.

Do you seriously intend to cast shade upon Merrid?

I mean, why be angry at Okral's vote? It's not like she was trying to disrupt a lynch, what can she do, vote herself? And why is it so bad to vote Merrid?

When I asked, he first ignored it, and then said:

Venesara, on 13 May 2020 - 06:29 PM, said:

<snip>

Sorry, wasn't sure this was anything other than rhetorical. My intent was to make certain that Okral has an actual reason to vote Merrid, rather than just a deflection or random choice.

What does it mean, rhetorical? And what deflection, again, did he want Okral to vote herself? She said why the vote, Merrid was quite actively mild mannered, and I agree.

I think it was a slip of someone who knew Merrid was innocent, he did not ask "why you vote Merrid?" or "Why Merrid in particular?", but "Do you seriously intend to cast shade upon Merrid?"

there was no night for a finder to get a find, so it can't be that.

Then what happened? Merrid was killed by scum, and was inno. Was it to pre-empt accusations that that was a clumsy defence of a killer by a partner? "See, Merrid was innocent...", but then again, how did he know at the time he was innocent?



And now I see he says this:

Venesara, on 14 May 2020 - 01:35 PM, said:

Barghast, on 13 May 2020 - 07:09 PM, said:

Then who do you find scummy?

Well, I had an eye on Merrid, which was dumb apparently.

I was thinking about your post from the 1st page, but I don't believe anybody else was concerned, so I'm not hanging on to that one much

Nobody really sticking out

What???

Yes, this stood out to me as well. Finished my reread and so having just read Venesara question Okral's vote on Merrid, them then saying that they had their eye on Merrid looks very weird. I'm going to

Vote Venesara


for now.

By the way, I'm impressed by the amount of actual game discussion that got done on day 1, even if it all turns out to be rubbish! Other things I noted: Aranatha seems more like an eager town with a particular style, but nothing particularly stood out to me about their target Tennes either (it was Tennes, right? I'm already forgetting). All the signalling stuff was stupid. But I did half-suspect that Okral would turn out to be scum as I read through their replies, so I would have probably voted that way too.