[Khellendros]

Somebody else's turn to talk to this guy. I must be writing in Klingon or something.

[ToasTer86]

Khellendros, on 02 March 2020 - 02:07 PM, said:

Somebody else's turn to talk to this guy. I must be writing in Klingon or something.

No you are being unreasonable and forceful. In other words, actually yes, you are speaking klingon.

Maybe change your attitude and try to see it from my perspective. Or like respond to ALOT OF SENSE I MADE EARLIER :


To be honest the best way to stop her, is by doing nothing, she will lose the game if I win. If you guys do not commit to stopping me, she has to stop me, that will cost her tokens she does not have.
This tactic will have 4 outcomes:
1. she succeeds at stopping me, without burning her chances to win, then well you guys can try to stop her
2. she succeeds at stopping me, but she also threw out her own chances to win
3. she does not succeed at stopping me, but had to commit enough resources that she can't win. Now you guys can help to stop me
4. she does nothing and looses because I win.
But I know , thinking logical is hard for Klingons.

This post has been edited by ToasTer86: 02 March 2020 - 02:12 PM

[Tattersail_]

Toaster is saying he won't "play" it, put it on the board because then Morgoth could just trade it to someone else and they play the other wormhole in the Nebula, or wherever he wants a ship parked. He just didn't expand his point or explain

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 02 March 2020 - 02:13 PM, said:

Toaster is saying he won't "play" it, put it on the board because then Morgoth could just trade it to someone else and they play the other wormhole in the Nebula, or wherever he wants a ship parked. He just didn't expand his point or explain

No, I understand that. But then he needs to move one of his own ships into that space. If he doesn't want us to attack him or lose his planets, he needs to spend his tokens.

[ToasTer86]

Khellendros, on 02 March 2020 - 02:14 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 02 March 2020 - 02:13 PM, said:

Toaster is saying he won't "play" it, put it on the board because then Morgoth could just trade it to someone else and they play the other wormhole in the Nebula, or wherever he wants a ship parked. He just didn't expand his point or explain

No, I understand that. But then he needs to move one of his own ships into that space. If he doesn't want us to attack him or lose his planets, he needs to spend his tokens.

I will not use my tokens, just to have D'rek win.

D'rek cant win if I win, so let her burn her tokens. Then in reponse I will burn my tokens.

[Khellendros]

ToasTer86, on 02 March 2020 - 02:12 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 02 March 2020 - 02:07 PM, said:

Somebody else's turn to talk to this guy. I must be writing in Klingon or something.

No you are being unreasonable and forceful. In other words, actually yes, you are speaking klingon.

Maybe change your attitude and try to see it from my perspective. Or like respond to ALOT OF SENSE I MADE EARLIER :


To be honest the best way to stop her, is by doing nothing, she will lose the game if I win. If you guys do not commit to stopping me, she has to stop me, that will cost her tokens she does not have.
This tactic will have 4 outcomes:
1. she succeeds at stopping me, without burning her chances to win, then well you guys can try to stop her
2. she succeeds at stopping me, but she also threw out her own chances to win
3. she does not succeed at stopping me, but had to commit enough resources that she can't win. Now you guys can help to stop me
4. she does nothing and looses because I win.
But I know , thinking logical is hard for Klingons.

1) It is almost impossible for D'rek to succeed in stopping you. Show me what she could do to stop you.
2) But let's say she tries and fails, and then voila! The rest of us step in to finish the job. Except we don't, because we didn't have the tokens to burn while just sitting and waiting to see what would happen.

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 02 March 2020 - 02:32 PM

[Tattersail_]

D'rek scores last, so we all have opportunity to score if D'rek wins. If we can prevent both then great, nut if not, preventing you from score will see the positions of people flip in different ways.

IH could have action PO's, destroy their greatest ship is still out there isn't it?

[Khellendros]

Alright, galaxy. I'm going to research Light/Wave Deflector. Who wants me to do what with my fleet?

@ D'rek:

On a personal level, I would love to send them to Mecatol Rex, but you would just cancel the action. Can I tempt you to instead engage with the point that you would likely crush anything I am able to send anyway, that I have no action cards with which to attempt sneaky tactics (while you do), and that having a big pew pew pew fight would be fun?

[Imperial Historian]

Mathematically, Toaster, Morgoth, Twelve, Myself and D'rek can win this turn.

And Toaster, due to the collection of action cards I have, and if Morgoth plays plague in your current position I'm 90% confident I can take one of your homeworlds, especially since you probably won't make any more moves.

Do I want to do this, no, I'd much rather spend my time scoring points, and stopping others scoring.

Whilst you can score I will focus my efforts on stopping you, otherwise I will focus on others.

[Imperial Historian]

Khellendros, on 02 March 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

Alright, galaxy. I'm going to research Light/Wave Deflector. Who wants me to do what with my fleet?

@ D'rek:

On a personal level, I would love to send them to Mecatol Rex, but you would just cancel the action. Can I tempt you to instead engage with the point that you would likely crush anything I am able to send anyway, that I have no action cards with which to attempt sneaky tactics (while you do), and that having a big pew pew pew fight would be fun?

Big pew pew fight would be the most fun, and could make D'rek spend a CT so possibly worth it.

Which of Toaster's planets can you reach now you don't have any action cards?

[ToasTer86]

Imperial Historian, on 02 March 2020 - 02:39 PM, said:

Mathematically, Toaster, Morgoth, Twelve, Myself and D'rek can win this turn.

And Toaster, due to the collection of action cards I have, and if Morgoth plays plague in your current position I'm 90% confident I can take one of your homeworlds, especially since you probably won't make any more moves.

Do I want to do this, no, I'd much rather spend my time scoring points, and stopping others scoring.

Whilst you can score I will focus my efforts on stopping you, otherwise I will focus on others.

Go ahead, king make D'rek

[Khellendros]

Imperial Historian, on 02 March 2020 - 02:44 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 02 March 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

Alright, galaxy. I'm going to research Light/Wave Deflector. Who wants me to do what with my fleet?

@ D'rek:

On a personal level, I would love to send them to Mecatol Rex, but you would just cancel the action. Can I tempt you to instead engage with the point that you would likely crush anything I am able to send anyway, that I have no action cards with which to attempt sneaky tactics (while you do), and that having a big pew pew pew fight would be fun?

Big pew pew fight would be the most fun, and could make D'rek spend a CT so possibly worth it.

Which of Toaster's planets can you reach now you don't have any action cards?

Fornacis, Arietis, Gliese (3 influence total there). Technically I could reach Tequ'ran/Torkan, but not with anything that could actually win there.

[Imperial Historian]

ToasTer86, on 02 March 2020 - 02:47 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 02 March 2020 - 02:39 PM, said:

Mathematically, Toaster, Morgoth, Twelve, Myself and D'rek can win this turn.

And Toaster, due to the collection of action cards I have, and if Morgoth plays plague in your current position I'm 90% confident I can take one of your homeworlds, especially since you probably won't make any more moves.

Do I want to do this, no, I'd much rather spend my time scoring points, and stopping others scoring.

Whilst you can score I will focus my efforts on stopping you, otherwise I will focus on others.

Go ahead, king make D'rek

Okay I will then.

[Imperial Historian]

Khellendros, on 02 March 2020 - 03:15 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 02 March 2020 - 02:44 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 02 March 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

Alright, galaxy. I'm going to research Light/Wave Deflector. Who wants me to do what with my fleet?

@ D'rek:

On a personal level, I would love to send them to Mecatol Rex, but you would just cancel the action. Can I tempt you to instead engage with the point that you would likely crush anything I am able to send anyway, that I have no action cards with which to attempt sneaky tactics (while you do), and that having a big pew pew pew fight would be fun?

Big pew pew fight would be the most fun, and could make D'rek spend a CT so possibly worth it.

Which of Toaster's planets can you reach now you don't have any action cards?

Fornacis, Arietis, Gliese (3 influence total there). Technically I could reach Tequ'ran/Torkan, but not with anything that could actually win there.

Hmm I can also reach there, but then not sure I could take his homeworld afterwards. Depends what everyone else can do I guess!

[Khellendros]

Alright, so the play at the moment seems to be to activate MR and see if D'rek spends a token cancelling the action (which would put her on 6 tokens). I can't really do anything about getting to her homeworld/clearing a path to her homeworld. She doesn't *need* MR anymore, so she may not cancel the action and just duke it out (which would be in her favour anyway), and save the cancel action for if her homeworld is threatened.

So if IH is going after Toaster's homeworld, who is going to make an attempt on D'rek's?

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 02 March 2020 - 07:39 AM, said:

D'rek what are you offering to the stop Toaster party?

I have nothing special to "offer". I will help you guys attack Toaster so that he does not win this round. I also fully expect you all to try and stop me from winning this round, which of course I will defend against it as best I can in the hopes of winning... maybe we succeed in stopping Toaster, maybe not, and if so then maybe I succeed in defending my potentional win, or maybe not.

[D'rek]

Khellendros, on 02 March 2020 - 02:23 PM, said:

1) It is almost impossible for D'rek to succeed in stopping you. Show me what she could do to stop you.

Indeed. Even with LWD and a perfect couple action cards, I don't think I could possibly get anywhere close to enough infantry to the Naalu homeworld to take a planet (or take all the other Naalu planets to stop buying CTs).

[D'rek]

Khellendros, on 02 March 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

Alright, galaxy. I'm going to research Light/Wave Deflector. Who wants me to do what with my fleet?

@ D'rek:

On a personal level, I would love to send them to Mecatol Rex, but you would just cancel the action. Can I tempt you to instead engage with the point that you would likely crush anything I am able to send anyway, that I have no action cards with which to attempt sneaky tactics (while you do), and that having a big pew pew pew fight would be fun?

That does sound fun. But don't I need to send that fleet against Toaster to help stop him? If not, sure, pew pew would be entertaining, I'd actually get to use my flagship for something.

[Imperial Historian]

Tapper how long can you stall leadership?

I'm 95 percent confident I can remove teq/tork from the equation on turn 4 if leadership can be stalled until 5. Homeworld depends on plague result, but is probably around 80 percent probability.

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 02 March 2020 - 04:50 PM, said:

Tapper how long can you stall leadership?

I'm 95 percent confident I can remove teq/tork from the equation on turn 4 if leadership can be stalled until 5. Homeworld depends on plague result, but is probably around 80 percent probability.

I can take Teq/Tork with good odds using my Mecatol fleet before then. The 3-planet system makes for harder ground combats, so maybe it'd be better if you did that one and I did Teq/Tork, particularly if Tapper can't stall that long? (And yes, for all you worrywarts about Nullification Field that'll cost me 2 CTs and make it hard to hold my HW, so you have a damn good chance of stopping my potential win, too)

Morgoth is gonna have a hard time with Gwynan now, though, since he waited and let Toaster build the PDS. I guess if we're not going for the HW he can use Plague there.

Has Nom confirmed he'll hit Thibah?