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#1861 User is offline   Jazzarm 

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Posted 27 November 2019 - 03:44 PM

D'rek, your Valefar Assimilator X is empty, I assume it should contain superdread2s? Otherwise you couldn't score your secret either.
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Posted 27 November 2019 - 03:47 PM

View PostJazzarm, on 27 November 2019 - 03:44 PM, said:

D'rek, your Valefar Assimilator X is empty, I assume it should contain superdread2s? Otherwise you couldn't score your secret either.


It's there, it's just black so you have to highlight it to see it if you're on the dark boards.
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Posted 27 November 2019 - 03:50 PM

Ah, it's 'cause I was using a dark grey for unit upgrade technologies and a light grey for Valefar. I shifted the colours around a bit, is this better?

View Postworrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 27 November 2019 - 03:52 PM

View PostTattersail_, on 27 November 2019 - 03:44 PM, said:

D'rek where are you wanting my 5 votes to go?


Will have to wait and see what other people do for status posts. Since I'm hedging my bets, probably putting them on FOR for Representative Government would be the most interesting. But it also might make more sense to just bank 'em for next round since I get something from either outcome.

View Postworrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 27 November 2019 - 04:16 PM

Clever d'rek! Diplomacy rider on rex will cause some concern i imagine!
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Posted 27 November 2019 - 04:22 PM

Yep, that'll probably force me to hatedraft Imperial.

Unless... Tatts, you could probably score two publics with it next round?
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Posted 27 November 2019 - 04:24 PM

View PostJazzarm, on 27 November 2019 - 04:22 PM, said:

Yep, that'll probably force me to hatedraft Imperial.

Unless... Tatts, you could probably score two publics with it next round?


D'rek has my ceasefire and SFTT.
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Posted 27 November 2019 - 04:26 PM

View PostTattersail_, on 27 November 2019 - 04:24 PM, said:

View PostJazzarm, on 27 November 2019 - 04:22 PM, said:

Yep, that'll probably force me to hatedraft Imperial.

Unless... Tatts, you could probably score two publics with it next round?


D'rek has my ceasefire and SFTT.


You can still score two public objectives and draw a secret, which is a fair amount of value. Plus you'd be denying 2+ VP's to the Nekro, who is also in the best position to take the most possible stage 2's need I remind you?
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Posted 27 November 2019 - 04:30 PM

View PostJazzarm, on 27 November 2019 - 04:26 PM, said:

View PostTattersail_, on 27 November 2019 - 04:24 PM, said:

View PostJazzarm, on 27 November 2019 - 04:22 PM, said:

Yep, that'll probably force me to hatedraft Imperial.

Unless... Tatts, you could probably score two publics with it next round?


D'rek has my ceasefire and SFTT.


You can still score two public objectives and draw a secret, which is a fair amount of value. Plus you'd be denying 2+ VP's to the Nekro, who is also in the best position to take the most possible stage 2's need I remind you?


I don't know where I thought that but I thought that I could only score using that strategy if I occupied rex. That is certainly interesting. Not what I was planning to do though. We'd have to come back to it nearer the time as I really wanted to take politics this round.
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Posted 27 November 2019 - 05:02 PM

View PostD, on 27 November 2019 - 03:50 PM, said:

Ah, it's 'cause I was using a dark grey for unit upgrade technologies and a light grey for Valefar. I shifted the colours around a bit, is this better?


Definitely more legible! :)
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Posted 27 November 2019 - 05:04 PM

Question if no one voted either way on the representative democracy agenda, and nom as speaker then chose no... Would d'rek gain a tech? Would anyone exhaust there cultural planets?
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Posted 27 November 2019 - 05:48 PM

View PostImperial Historian, on 27 November 2019 - 05:04 PM, said:

Question if no one voted either way on the representative democracy agenda, and nom as speaker then chose no... Would d'rek gain a tech? Would anyone exhaust there cultural planets?


From what I can find online, if everyone abstains, the Speaker would choose the outcome, but the speaker's choice does not count as a vote, and the rules state that an abstain is not considered a vote, so D'rek would not be allowed to steal a tech from anyone, nor would anyone need to exhaust cultural planets.
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Posted 27 November 2019 - 05:57 PM

View PostJazzarm, on 27 November 2019 - 03:20 PM, said:

View PostToasTer86, on 27 November 2019 - 03:19 PM, said:

I will get the useless warfare card again :S

@Jazz you still want to to deal, as I refreshed you so you could pay for a PN I had


I specifically didn't trade away my commodities this round to save em for the deal we made, haha.


Ok so you need gift of the prescience then for 2 TG ?
Anything else I can help you with (I forgot the whole deal we made )


@Tatts, please yes/no if you pass me the 1TG for refreshing you,
I understand if you will not give it. I understand I did not give back your racial PN. But you really did threaten and hurt me, if you want we can restore good faith by paying the 1TG. Then if I dont use your racial PN next round I will give it back.

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Posted 27 November 2019 - 06:06 PM

You see where I am coming from. I keep my deals as long as others keep theirs and you broke our deal.

Why is the 1 TG so important for you? I'll do you a straight swap 1 TG for my PN. That'd be all deals settled between us. Don't forget you wanted to give me more than I was asking for as you saw how it would have affected you at the time. I've no hostilities towards you.

@IH I owe d'rek 5 votes.
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Posted 27 November 2019 - 06:13 PM

ToasTer86 said:

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Jazzarm said:

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I will get the useless warfare card again :S

@Jazz you still want to to deal, as I refreshed you so you could pay for a PN I had


I specifically didn't trade away my commodities this round to save em for the deal we made, haha.


Ok so you need gift of the prescience then for 2 TG ?
Anything else I can help you with (I forgot the whole deal we made )


@Tatts, please yes/no if you pass me the 1TG for refreshing you,
I understand if you will not give it. I understand I did not give back your racial PN. But you really did threaten and hurt me, if you want we can restore good faith by paying the 1TG. Then if I dont use your racial PN next round I will give it back.


I'll buy Gift for 2tg as agreed.

You're still holding Creuss Iff, no? I would've liked it to move the A hole which is why I suggested you use it to move B and I could maybe buy it again from Ghosts. If I buy it from you I'm guessing you want me to move B which doesn't help me much. Depending on what stage 2 is revealed and how SC picks and votes go I'm looking to pick Trade, would you like to exchange trade agreements with me so we can effectively 2 for 3 next round without bordering?

Rules question, can we trade 2 promissory notes per agenda phase? Also, I assume under forum rules you can't play a rider in response to someone else's rider? Lastly, can you make transactions during status phase?


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Posted 27 November 2019 - 06:16 PM

No agenda phase for transaction
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Posted 27 November 2019 - 06:31 PM

You can stack riders.

View Postworrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 27 November 2019 - 06:40 PM

View PostTattersail_, on 27 November 2019 - 06:06 PM, said:

You see where I am coming from. I keep my deals as long as others keep theirs and you broke our deal.

Why is the 1 TG so important for you? I'll do you a straight swap 1 TG for my PN. That'd be all deals settled between us. Don't forget you wanted to give me more than I was asking for as you saw how it would have affected you at the time. I've no hostilities towards you.

@IH I owe d'rek 5 votes.


The 1TG is not a big deal just that you said you would me give me it.
Let's swap the PN for the 1 TG and get all fair and square again ok?
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Posted 27 November 2019 - 06:41 PM

But you only get one chance to play riders in turn order.
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Posted 27 November 2019 - 06:45 PM

View PostJazzarm, on 27 November 2019 - 06:13 PM, said:

ToasTer86 said:

1574877447[/url]' post='1390454']

Jazzarm said:

1574868052[/url]' post='1390429']

ToasTer86 said:

1574867968[/url]' post='1390428']
I will get the useless warfare card again :S

@Jazz you still want to to deal, as I refreshed you so you could pay for a PN I had


I specifically didn't trade away my commodities this round to save em for the deal we made, haha.


Ok so you need gift of the prescience then for 2 TG ?
Anything else I can help you with (I forgot the whole deal we made )


@Tatts, please yes/no if you pass me the 1TG for refreshing you,
I understand if you will not give it. I understand I did not give back your racial PN. But you really did threaten and hurt me, if you want we can restore good faith by paying the 1TG. Then if I dont use your racial PN next round I will give it back.


I'll buy Gift for 2tg as agreed.

You're still holding Creuss Iff, no? I would've liked it to move the A hole which is why I suggested you use it to move B and I could maybe buy it again from Ghosts. If I buy it from you I'm guessing you want me to move B which doesn't help me much. Depending on what stage 2 is revealed and how SC picks and votes go I'm looking to pick Trade, would you like to exchange trade agreements with me so we can effectively 2 for 3 next round without bordering?

Rules question, can we trade 2 promissory notes per agenda phase? Also, I assume under forum rules you can't play a rider in response to someone else's rider? Lastly, can you make transactions during status phase?


2 for 3 is in your favor, will you do free refreshes for every one. Or let them pay.
Otherwise this seems like a bad deal.

Iff can be bought but I am trying to keep it close so it does not get used against me. That's why I did not just use it or trade it.
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