[Kilava]

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 02:38 AM, said:

Kilava, on 21 August 2019 - 02:05 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 01:55 AM, said:

but I think it’s clear which way I’m leaning.

Actually no it's not clear which way you're leaning. You might want to clarify that part, all you've said for sure is that you haven't any conclusive arguments. All I see is a lot of rambling with no conclusions whatsoever. You have to make a choice - actually voting would be a good start and show us you're being sincere.

Another odd post - why try and goad me into a vote before everyone speaks and we try and reach some kind of consensus on d-day?

And it’s pretty clear I’m leaning toward you.

So let me get this right, you don't like that I am not goaded into voting willy nilly through the entire game, but when you do it it's okay? Also you can cast a vote, and then wait to hear from people, it's entirely possible to change the vote you know. To try and make it out like I'm trying to make you do something untoward is very suspect imo. If you actually vote, then that would help get things started. I'd rather you didn't vote for me, because that would mean we lose most likely, but this 'we need consensus' argument is crap, especially since nobody has voted yet.

To me this unwillingness to vote when you say you have come to a conclusion just comes off as you not wanting to ruffle any feathers - basically you're scared.

[Venesara]

Gamelon, I have to say, I find myself agreeing with you more than I want to. (Glad you had a laugh by the way ). There is certainly a Shel vs. Gait vibe now. A lot hinges on this reveal now, which I don't like, but if it is legit then it doesn't really matter if Shel's case is any good; it means he's not the target and puts Gait as the most visible person on thread (I think he slipped away post-haste).

Rikkter is such an outlier that if he is scum we should blame everyone not on the d1 Rikkter train. I'd like to hear some real thoughts though. Gam looks like he agrees.

And Kilava. I never liked you. The only thing I had to go on is most of your posts were bullshit, so it did look like active coasting for a long time, never drawing too many votes.

I buy the reveal because I have been waiting for someone besides me to catch the "potato keyword" line - and yeah, I was looking for his reaction, and I think we got it. You caught it, this must make you a believer, Gam. If you're not sold I would love to know why (for real).

So for now that leaves me here - out of everyone's play right now, I like Kilava's the least. I am starting to wonder about Gait, who has played a perfect game, I agree - spotless - but now that we're in the endgame maybe he doesn't feel the need to comment as much. If you are able to, leading the thread as scum is a brilliant play. Most people are not able to. Rikkter is three sheets to the wind. Shel is probably guard but still acts weird. I have to fight with Gam to find out we agree on some stuff. Just regular Mafia bsns.

[Venesara]

Gait, on 21 August 2019 - 03:10 AM, said:

Venesara, on 21 August 2019 - 02:31 AM, said:

How much does this slip clear Shel? Could he have planted that line so far back?

I didn't really realise that people hadn't picked that up, I assumed it was part of the initial reveal as a given tbh. As for planting it, when you have people speculating openly about the role names and PG saying things like this then personally I don't find it unlikely.

Prazec Goul, on 19 August 2019 - 10:30 AM, said:

Quick question whilst catching up, has anyone referred to themselves as something different than Motato? Cause I am not Motato, I am Tomato. Even tongue in cheek or something.

So you thought it was common knowledge? No one even mentioned it - that PG quote is old (pre-Shel reveal) and the twenty bucks in my pocket says Shel misread Tomato as Potato. If they caught their own mistake, they were smart enough not to correct it. And I don't think a single person commented on PG's quick question, so any comments now are dubious at best.

[Venesara]

Kilava, on 21 August 2019 - 03:12 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 02:38 AM, said:

Kilava, on 21 August 2019 - 02:05 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 01:55 AM, said:

but I think it’s clear which way I’m leaning.

Actually no it's not clear which way you're leaning. You might want to clarify that part, all you've said for sure is that you haven't any conclusive arguments. All I see is a lot of rambling with no conclusions whatsoever. You have to make a choice - actually voting would be a good start and show us you're being sincere.

Another odd post - why try and goad me into a vote before everyone speaks and we try and reach some kind of consensus on d-day?

And it’s pretty clear I’m leaning toward you.

So let me get this right, you don't like that I am not goaded into voting willy nilly through the entire game, but when you do it it's okay? Also you can cast a vote, and then wait to hear from people, it's entirely possible to change the vote you know. To try and make it out like I'm trying to make you do something untoward is very suspect imo. If you actually vote, then that would help get things started. I'd rather you didn't vote for me, because that would mean we lose most likely, but this 'we need consensus' argument is crap, especially since nobody has voted yet.

To me this unwillingness to vote when you say you have come to a conclusion just comes off as you not wanting to ruffle any feathers - basically you're scared.

Gee thanks for pushing us to vote when a single mistake to L-2 ends the game. Obviously people agreed to talk before voting. That is why we are not throwing votes around. Did you read beginning of game day? Or are you just scum trying to pressure us into voting?

Probably scum.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Btw, building this:
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and an escape room after a particularly bad day for my spouse is why I am sporadic.

Edit: fixing image

This post has been edited by Sheltatha Lore: 21 August 2019 - 03:30 AM

[Gait]

Venesara, on 21 August 2019 - 03:24 AM, said:

Gait, on 21 August 2019 - 03:10 AM, said:

Venesara, on 21 August 2019 - 02:31 AM, said:

How much does this slip clear Shel? Could he have planted that line so far back?

I didn't really realise that people hadn't picked that up, I assumed it was part of the initial reveal as a given tbh. As for planting it, when you have people speculating openly about the role names and PG saying things like this then personally I don't find it unlikely.

Prazec Goul, on 19 August 2019 - 10:30 AM, said:

Quick question whilst catching up, has anyone referred to themselves as something different than Motato? Cause I am not Motato, I am Tomato. Even tongue in cheek or something.

So you thought it was common knowledge? No one even mentioned it - that PG quote is old (pre-Shel reveal) and the twenty bucks in my pocket says Shel misread Tomato as Potato. If they caught their own mistake, they were smart enough not to correct it. And I don't think a single person commented on PG's quick question, so any comments now are dubious at best.

I mean, yeah? He claimed that was the word in his PM off the bat, I figured that was just taken as read.

And of course the PG quote predates the Shel reveal, which is my point. It's not some obscure information, there were public conversations related to it. If I'm going to fake reveal then you can bet I'm looking for something to latch onto. Shel even tests the water a little first.

[Gait]

Otherwise, I'm basically getting deja vu from yesterday. Kilava is around to defend himself but isn't offering much. Except encouraging people to vote.

Gamelon has gone through a bunch of posts and ended up in much the same place as before. Ruling people out with little explanation, mentioning Shel and myself a bunch and then going for Kilava. To me there's a disconnect here between what he says and what his actions do.

A couple of the things he has said:

"If it is a role reveal then they should totally be lynched to confirm, because no way there are two town roles in this game" - random drive by on Kilava.
"between Gait and Sheltatha, one of them is scum and the other is not" - but then he's leaning for Kilava rather than either of us.

Who does the gap between behaviour and action benefit? Well, he could've put Shel on 4 votes which would've made him easily the most likely candidate. And Shel rather returned the favour by pushing us onto Barg instead of Gam.

[Venesara]

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 12:40 AM, said:

Gait, on 20 August 2019 - 12:50 PM, said:

Barg if you want vote analysis, how's this:

Currently you have two votes and Shel has three. Gamelon could have put you at parity with Shel. You have been named one of Gamelon's main three suspects. So why is he instead dropping his vote on someone with zero votes with three hours left in the day?

This absolutely stinks.

Remove vote

And yet turns out I was right not to Actually I had no idea what the vote numbers were, I was just focusing on my own thoughts.

Hindsight is not an excuse, it was bad play at the time.

[Gait]

Ven, if you feel like the 'potato' thing makes Shel look better, then do you have any particular explanation for why Gam kindly invites Shel to bring it forward completely out of the blue? Not once but twice by the way.

Gamelon, on 20 August 2019 - 11:31 PM, said:

Shelly, if you’re not a motato then what are you?

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 12:59 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 20 August 2019 - 03:54 PM, said:

I guess I have to commit. I figured if I woke up dead you all would know anyway and no one was talking about it, so I just let it slide.

To start with, that potato line makes you legit. That is the key word for a roled town, so yes Ven, you and I are innocent in my mind.

The reason there are 2 roles is I am a guard. I can do nothing until one of the paired scum are dead.

The middle paragraph: I’m not quite understanding it. Who are you talking to when you say ‘makes you legit’? What potato line?

You don't think that's pretty convenient. Who are you talking to? Like it isn't obviously PG?

What a surprising and totally natural slip...

[Gait]

The scummy behaviour has been so blatant and if we throw this game because "potato" then I will frankly rage.

[Venesara]

Welcome back.

[Gait]

Venesara, on 21 August 2019 - 03:49 AM, said:

Welcome back.

You do need to stop cross-posting your "where's Gait" posts perfectly with my posts

[Venesara]

Gait, on 21 August 2019 - 03:51 AM, said:

Venesara, on 21 August 2019 - 03:49 AM, said:

Welcome back.

You do need to stop cross-posting your "where's Gait" posts perfectly with my posts

Honestly it's happened so many times I mentioned your name just to see if you'd show up.

[Venesara]

Gait, on 21 August 2019 - 03:42 AM, said:

Ven, if you feel like the 'potato' thing makes Shel look better, then do you have any particular explanation for why Gam kindly invites Shel to bring it forward completely out of the blue? Not once but twice by the way.

Gamelon, on 20 August 2019 - 11:31 PM, said:

Shelly, if you’re not a motato then what are you?

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 12:59 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 20 August 2019 - 03:54 PM, said:

I guess I have to commit. I figured if I woke up dead you all would know anyway and no one was talking about it, so I just let it slide.

To start with, that potato line makes you legit. That is the key word for a roled town, so yes Ven, you and I are innocent in my mind.

The reason there are 2 roles is I am a guard. I can do nothing until one of the paired scum are dead.

The middle paragraph: I’m not quite understanding it. Who are you talking to when you say ‘makes you legit’? What potato line?

You don't think that's pretty convenient. Who are you talking to? Like it isn't obviously PG?

What a surprising and totally natural slip...

Want to address this. Much of my faith in the reveal comes from new information, I admit. I don't remember Gam doing that tbh, I need to reread for context because I felt earlier he was trying to shift the thread.

But actually I think the line can be confusing. He doesn't quote anyone, so out of context it looks weird. The first time I read it - probably he mentioned my name and I'm really vain - I read my name as a noun in direct address, as in "Yes, Ven - you and I are innocent in my mind" . So I was like wtf are you talking about and had to look back to see he was talking to PG and I had just read it incorrectly (well, as intended I suppose).

So because I made the same mistake it's hard for me to be black and white on that. I eventually understood.

[Gait]

Venesara, on 21 August 2019 - 04:27 AM, said:

Want to address this. Much of my faith in the reveal comes from new information, I admit. I don't remember Gam doing that tbh, I need to reread for context because I felt earlier he was trying to shift the thread.

Just follow the quotes; he puts it on a plate for Shel twice, totally out of the blue. I'm quite sure that you'll find Gam a believer because as far as I can see they're looking for reasons to vote anyone but Shel (while presenting Shel as an option he's considering... just one he happens never to actually pursue). Nevermind that it contradicts what Gam said about roles earlier.

Maybe it's just because I'd already taken the "slip" as read, but I'm not surprised at all that the reveal conveniently lines up with earlier meta speculation (or the speculation of the VPI specifically for that matter). If you're fake revealing then that is just your MO. You look at the other reveal, you look at people's speculation, you look for anything that might make people believe you. Maybe you test the water a little. What would you fake reveal as, a sausage? Of course not.

I see Shel and Gam as scum. Not just for their scummy behaviour, but for how they've directly acted to benefit each other repeatedly. Gam dropping a drive-by onto Kilava when a vote on Shel would've made Shel the clear lead candidate. Shel flat out refusing to vote for Gam, personally blocking his lynch. And now Gam, in an unprecedented flurry of activity, swoops in and helps Shel out again. That isn't surprising - that's blatant.

Venesara, on 21 August 2019 - 04:27 AM, said:

I think the line can be confusing. He doesn't quote anyone, so out of context it looks weird. The first time I read it - probably he mentioned my name and I'm really vain - I read my name as a noun in direct address, as in "Yes, Ven - you and I are innocent in my mind" . So I was like wtf are you talking about and had to look back to see he was talking to PG and I had just read it incorrectly (well, as intended I suppose).

I guess; I felt it was clearly aimed at PG. I mean, he's talking about roled town PMs and PG had asked him for an explanation a few minutes beforehand. Even if you think the line is somewhat unclear, the way Gam raises it feels super contrived to me.

[Gait]

OK, I'm off; see you in a few hours .

[Gamelon]

In one sense, Gait is right. I did raise that quote, with little explanation as to why I was asking the question, in order to contrive something. First, I genuinely didn’t understand who Shel was addressing with that, it isn’t clear. Earlier, before I got to that post in my reread, it had already independently occurred to me to ask Shel what they were if not a motato. Then this post struck me as weird on top of that, because if anything, it looked like they were maybe addressing Ven and calling them a potato? Or if not then calling PG a potato, which again he wasn’t.

So what I was ‘contriving’ was a hunch that I could trap Shel into a mistake - perhaps saying they were a tomato to PG’s potato (when PG had already revealed tomato).

But then Shel comes out with this ‘we’re both potatoes!’ thing which I did not expect, and that has spun me round.

Planting a false slip-up would be quite devious. Not impossible, sure, but right now I find it improbable.

And yes, I did feel silly writing potato and tomato repeatedly in this post.

[Gamelon]

As for why Kilava when i’ve been talking about Gait and Sheltatha, I thought that was clear. As Gait themselves points out, there is a possibility, however much I currently find it unlikely, that Shel is deliberately playing dumb with their reveal mistake. So between them and Gait there might still be a debate.

Yet there are two scum. And independently of all that, I find Kilava scummy. Having read through the whole game, their play has convinced me of that. Other than sporadically responding to me, they’ve also done little on this critical day (in fairness, Rikkter has done even less).

[Kilava]

Venesara, on 21 August 2019 - 03:26 AM, said:

Kilava, on 21 August 2019 - 03:12 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 02:38 AM, said:

Kilava, on 21 August 2019 - 02:05 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 01:55 AM, said:

but I think it’s clear which way I’m leaning.

Actually no it's not clear which way you're leaning. You might want to clarify that part, all you've said for sure is that you haven't any conclusive arguments. All I see is a lot of rambling with no conclusions whatsoever. You have to make a choice - actually voting would be a good start and show us you're being sincere.

Another odd post - why try and goad me into a vote before everyone speaks and we try and reach some kind of consensus on d-day?

And it’s pretty clear I’m leaning toward you.

So let me get this right, you don't like that I am not goaded into voting willy nilly through the entire game, but when you do it it's okay? Also you can cast a vote, and then wait to hear from people, it's entirely possible to change the vote you know. To try and make it out like I'm trying to make you do something untoward is very suspect imo. If you actually vote, then that would help get things started. I'd rather you didn't vote for me, because that would mean we lose most likely, but this 'we need consensus' argument is crap, especially since nobody has voted yet.

To me this unwillingness to vote when you say you have come to a conclusion just comes off as you not wanting to ruffle any feathers - basically you're scared.

Gee thanks for pushing us to vote when a single mistake to L-2 ends the game. Obviously people agreed to talk before voting. That is why we are not throwing votes around. Did you read beginning of game day? Or are you just scum trying to pressure us into voting?

Probably scum.

Not really pushing anything, just find it weird that Gamelon likes to talk big talk about who he thinks should be lynched but doesn't vote. Also telling Gam to vote isn't the same as pushing everyone to vote. I'm all for making a solid decision, I've played much like that the entire game, and then Gam suddenly does while complaining I do? Rubs me the wrong way, it does.

[Kilava]

My thoughts for this day:
Shel's reveal could be scum fake revealing, but I'm torn because he comes off as so sincere, it's up in the air for me whether he's lying or not. I'm confused by all the potato discussion, seems like a mistake to me more than anything else.
Ven is obviously inno, however I'm trying not to buy everything he says as gospel, since he knows as much as the rest of us, even though it's easier to trust him ofcourse.
I find it hard to pin point Gait, which is suspicious in itself, honestly I've been busy untangling the Gamelon-Sheltatha-Barghast situation to focus much on anything else. I know that has to change now.
Rikkter is a weird one - could very well be scum coasting the hell out of this game, although the early game he did stick his head out, but everybody has to do that at some point or it will look suspicious.
Gamelon is the scummiest to me right now. He's done the same spiel the entire game - a lot of noise but hardly any commitment and weird ass voting. Could be that's just his weird ass play style. But ngl the way he's so 'sure' about me makes me want to lynch him, OMGUS or not.
I've been accused of coasting, which I find very unfair - I've been around (for the most part), and been ready to help with lynches during timeouts and I've had no problem sticking my head out to get information. You might dislike my playstyle this game, but not everyone will play a game the same. Just because you use multi quotes doesn't mean you actually are saying anything more than if you just referenced something. I think people get confused about that sometimes.

That's all I have to say for now, I think.