[Gamelon]

What has been made even clearer by today’s interactions is where the lines are drawn. Gait and Kilava hate me and, in Gait’s case, Sheltatha. Kilava is not yet committing on that front (ironic when calling me someone who doesn’t commit - also me who popped a vote with no explanation on Gait on day 1; shouted that Prazec was scum on day 2 despite; refused to vote Sheltatha on day 3 and went my own way, etc etc).

I and Sheltatha don’t like Gait’s play today (I also don’t like Kilava but I’m not sure what Shel thinks about them. Gait’s effort at picking holes in Shel’s posts rings false to me. I think they’re either wrong about Shel or are scum.

And everyone hates Rikkter, which suggests they’re not partnered with anyone. Well, that’s not quite true, I suppose they could be partnered with Kilava.

But I hope it’s clear what I’m getting at here. I may not be absolutely convinced of Kilava’s partner (leaning toward Gait, but could be Rikkter - hell, could be Sheltatha, they’ve only argued on day 1 and then that was swept under the carpet), but their own play says scum to me, and today’s posting has just cemented that even further. I just don’t see how Gait apparently can’t seem to see that.

[Kilava]

I'm here guys, and I'm not sure if I'll be able to be here when the timeout hits, it's a very bad timing for me.

As for the vote for today, I think us figuring out if we're gonna believe Shel or not is the key to all this. I have to admit this is a hard one. But I keep going back to Shel and Gamelon, and their indirect connection. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but that's where I am right now.

The fact that Gamelon keeps harping on my play style, as if he hasn't jumped down my throat from the start, and that's why I have to keep addressing what he's saying. It goes a little something like this:
1. jump down my throat and make up a narrative that I'm scum, with no real argument
2. I address it while also talking about other people
3. Gamelon claims I'm scummy for addressing his posts. And back to the start we go. It's like a MAFIA merry go round.

I don't know who Gamelon's partner could be, but it's entirely possible Shel is lying, since it's quite unlikely there are two roled town in this game. With that approach I'd vote for either of them.

Interesting to note: Gamelon jumped down my throat earlier about pushing him to vote without a consensus, and now he's definitely pushing me, so what is that about? I'll definitely cast a vote before I have to go. Don't worry. It's leaning towards Gamelon tbh. Unless anyone has a better idea. We need to make a decision guys, or we'll end up squabbling and then rush a vote which will increase the chances of us losing.

[Gamelon]

Gait, on 21 August 2019 - 11:12 PM, said:

Like, there's a reason we have an acronym for it. It's like complaining that someone has mentioned WIFOM reasoning three whole times.

After a while it just starts sounding like your standard attempt at immediate dismissal of any criticism or accusation.

[Rikkter]

If I had to go by gut, I’d have to say Shelly and Gait are killers. Other than day 1, Gait hasn’t gotten any heat, and Shelly sure got prickly over the idea of voting Gait as a no show. Second, Gait was really keen on trying to push my lynch as soon as I took off prior to timeout. This makes me think that I must have hit a little too close to home.

There was some talk about Shelly day 2, but Galayn managed to make day 2 all about him.

I’d be fine with either a Shelly or Gait lynch.

[Gamelon]

Kilava, on 21 August 2019 - 11:19 PM, said:

I'm here guys, and I'm not sure if I'll be able to be here when the timeout hits, it's a very bad timing for me.

As for the vote for today, I think us figuring out if we're gonna believe Shel or not is the key to all this. I have to admit this is a hard one. But I keep going back to Shel and Gamelon, and their indirect connection. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but that's where I am right now.

The fact that Gamelon keeps harping on my play style, as if he hasn't jumped down my throat from the start, and that's why I have to keep addressing what he's saying. It goes a little something like this:
1. jump down my throat and make up a narrative that I'm scum, with no real argument
2. I address it while also talking about other people
3. Gamelon claims I'm scummy for addressing his posts. And back to the start we go. It's like a MAFIA merry go round.

I don't know who Gamelon's partner could be, but it's entirely possible Shel is lying, since it's quite unlikely there are two roled town in this game. With that approach I'd vote for either of them.

Interesting to note: Gamelon jumped down my throat earlier about pushing him to vote without a consensus, and now he's definitely pushing me, so what is that about? I'll definitely cast a vote before I have to go. Don't worry. It's leaning towards Gamelon tbh. Unless anyone has a better idea. We need to make a decision guys, or we'll end up squabbling and then rush a vote which will increase the chances of us losing.

Ah but I wasn’t pushing you to vote, I was daring you to say something of substance and assertiveness. You sit on the fence and hop off on the side where you think it will make people happy.

[Gamelon]

Rikkter, on 21 August 2019 - 11:20 PM, said:

If I had to go by gut, I’d have to say Shelly and Gait are killers. Other than day 1, Gait hasn’t gotten any heat, and Shelly sure got prickly over the idea of voting Gait as a no show. Second, Gait was really keen on trying to push my lynch as soon as I took off prior to timeout. This makes me think that I must have hit a little too close to home.

There was some talk about Shelly day 2, but Galayn managed to make day 2 all about him.

I’d be fine with either a Shelly or Gait lynch.

That’s an interesting read alright.

[Kilava]

Rikkter, on 21 August 2019 - 11:20 PM, said:

If I had to go by gut, I’d have to say Shelly and Gait are killers. Other than day 1, Gait hasn’t gotten any heat, and Shelly sure got prickly over the idea of voting Gait as a no show. Second, Gait was really keen on trying to push my lynch as soon as I took off prior to timeout. This makes me think that I must have hit a little too close to home.

There was some talk about Shelly day 2, but Galayn managed to make day 2 all about him.

I’d be fine with either a Shelly or Gait lynch.

So I gather that you're definitely not buying the Shel reveal?

[Gait]

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 11:20 PM, said:

Gait, on 21 August 2019 - 11:12 PM, said:

Like, there's a reason we have an acronym for it. It's like complaining that someone has mentioned WIFOM reasoning three whole times.

After a while it just starts sounding like your standard attempt at immediate dismissal of any criticism or accusation.

I mean, is it even an accusation or criticism when you provide zero actual substance? Like, pointing out OMGUS is neither here nor there in itself. You've a tendency to just throw things around without actually providing any analysis to back it up.

[Kilava]

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 11:23 PM, said:

Ah but I wasn’t pushing you to vote, I was daring you to say something of substance and assertiveness. You sit on the fence and hop off on the side where you think it will make people happy.

I'm pretty assertive about you being scum at this point - I can't think of a reason that you'd act the way you do if you weren't. It definitely seems like I keep hitting home with you.

[Gait]

Rikkter, on 21 August 2019 - 11:20 PM, said:

If I had to go by gut, I’d have to say Shelly and Gait are killers. Other than day 1, Gait hasn’t gotten any heat, and Shelly sure got prickly over the idea of voting Gait as a no show. Second, Gait was really keen on trying to push my lynch as soon as I took off prior to timeout. This makes me think that I must have hit a little too close to home.

There was some talk about Shelly day 2, but Galayn managed to make day 2 all about him.

I’d be fine with either a Shelly or Gait lynch.

I'm not sure how you square this with the fact that I've been pushing Shel as my first preference today. Extreme distancing?

Regarding your second point, I think I made a single post after you left which was just voting you to get a lynch with ~10 minutes left. Not seeing how this is "really keen" .

[Gamelon]

Gait, on 21 August 2019 - 11:24 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 11:20 PM, said:

Gait, on 21 August 2019 - 11:12 PM, said:

Like, there's a reason we have an acronym for it. It's like complaining that someone has mentioned WIFOM reasoning three whole times.

After a while it just starts sounding like your standard attempt at immediate dismissal of any criticism or accusation.

I mean, is it even an accusation or criticism when you provide zero actual substance? Like, pointing out OMGUS is neither here nor there in itself. You've a tendency to just throw things around without actually providing any analysis to back it up.

Oh you mean the quote wall posts which Kilava says they detest so much. Yeah, I’m not doing those off a phone on holiday, sorry. But I have highlighted individual posts and commented on what I think and feel about them, and my train of thought is on thread and simple enough to follow. I have made numerous posts over the last few days which together show how I have built up to believing that Kilava is scum.

[Gamelon]

Kilava, on 21 August 2019 - 11:27 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 11:23 PM, said:

Ah but I wasn’t pushing you to vote, I was daring you to say something of substance and assertiveness. You sit on the fence and hop off on the side where you think it will make people happy.

I'm pretty assertive about you being scum at this point - I can't think of a reason that you'd act the way you do if you weren't. It definitely seems like I keep hitting home with you.

Lol. Hey look Gait, OMGUS.

[Gait]

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 11:33 PM, said:

Kilava, on 21 August 2019 - 11:27 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 11:23 PM, said:

Ah but I wasn’t pushing you to vote, I was daring you to say something of substance and assertiveness. You sit on the fence and hop off on the side where you think it will make people happy.

I'm pretty assertive about you being scum at this point - I can't think of a reason that you'd act the way you do if you weren't. It definitely seems like I keep hitting home with you.

Lol. Hey look Gait, OMGUS.

I mean Kil has been feuding back and forth with a couple of people for basically the whole game, first Barg then you. So yeah.

[Rikkter]

Gait, on 21 August 2019 - 11:28 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 21 August 2019 - 11:20 PM, said:

If I had to go by gut, I’d have to say Shelly and Gait are killers. Other than day 1, Gait hasn’t gotten any heat, and Shelly sure got prickly over the idea of voting Gait as a no show. Second, Gait was really keen on trying to push my lynch as soon as I took off prior to timeout. This makes me think that I must have hit a little too close to home.

There was some talk about Shelly day 2, but Galayn managed to make day 2 all about him.

I’d be fine with either a Shelly or Gait lynch.

I'm not sure how you square this with the fact that I've been pushing Shel as my first preference today. Extreme distancing?

Regarding your second point, I think I made a single post after you left which was just voting you to get a lynch with ~10 minutes left. Not seeing how this is "really keen" .

Voting your partner isn’t out of the norn

[Gamelon]

Here are the options for partners as far as I see them based on my reread and today’s play:

Gait-Kilava
Gamelon-Sheltatha
Kilava-Sheltatha
Kilava-Rikkter

Can anyone make a case for a different combination? You can see why I would choose to go for Kilava. And this is on top of their playstyle, which is what set the alarms ringing for me in the first place. I’m getting to the very end of my time here today.

Vote Kilava

[Kilava]

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 11:32 PM, said:

Gait, on 21 August 2019 - 11:24 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 11:20 PM, said:

Gait, on 21 August 2019 - 11:12 PM, said:

Like, there's a reason we have an acronym for it. It's like complaining that someone has mentioned WIFOM reasoning three whole times.

After a while it just starts sounding like your standard attempt at immediate dismissal of any criticism or accusation.

I mean, is it even an accusation or criticism when you provide zero actual substance? Like, pointing out OMGUS is neither here nor there in itself. You've a tendency to just throw things around without actually providing any analysis to back it up.

Oh you mean the quote wall posts which Kilava says they detest so much. Yeah, I’m not doing those off a phone on holiday, sorry. But I have highlighted individual posts and commented on what I think and feel about them, and my train of thought is on thread and simple enough to follow. I have made numerous posts over the last few days which together show how I have built up to believing that Kilava is scum.

So you're basically refusing to make a case? Good to know. You don't need to quote posts to reference them. I call bullshit.

[Gait]

Rikkter, on 21 August 2019 - 11:40 PM, said:

Gait, on 21 August 2019 - 11:28 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 21 August 2019 - 11:20 PM, said:

If I had to go by gut, I’d have to say Shelly and Gait are killers. Other than day 1, Gait hasn’t gotten any heat, and Shelly sure got prickly over the idea of voting Gait as a no show. Second, Gait was really keen on trying to push my lynch as soon as I took off prior to timeout. This makes me think that I must have hit a little too close to home.

There was some talk about Shelly day 2, but Galayn managed to make day 2 all about him.

I’d be fine with either a Shelly or Gait lynch.

I'm not sure how you square this with the fact that I've been pushing Shel as my first preference today. Extreme distancing?

Regarding your second point, I think I made a single post after you left which was just voting you to get a lynch with ~10 minutes left. Not seeing how this is "really keen" .

Voting your partner isn’t out of the norn

Pushing for them on d-day though? Regardless, I'm completely happy to put this to the test because Shel remains my #1 pick.

[Gamelon]

Ooh, I suppose Gamelon-Rikkter could be another, but I’m personally discounting that one

[Kilava]

Gamelon, on 21 August 2019 - 11:40 PM, said:

Here are the options for partners as far as I see them based on my reread and today’s play:

Gait-Kilava
Gamelon-Sheltatha
Kilava-Sheltatha
Kilava-Rikkter

Can anyone make a case for a different combination? You can see why I would choose to go for Kilava. And this is on top of their playstyle, which is what set the alarms ringing for me in the first place. I’m getting to the very end of my time here today.

Vote Kilava

Love you too Gam. Oh I thought we were waiting to create a consensus to vote? Guess not.

[Rikkter]

Kilava, on 21 August 2019 - 11:24 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 21 August 2019 - 11:20 PM, said:

If I had to go by gut, I’d have to say Shelly and Gait are killers. Other than day 1, Gait hasn’t gotten any heat, and Shelly sure got prickly over the idea of voting Gait as a no show. Second, Gait was really keen on trying to push my lynch as soon as I took off prior to timeout. This makes me think that I must have hit a little too close to home.

There was some talk about Shelly day 2, but Galayn managed to make day 2 all about him.

I’d be fine with either a Shelly or Gait lynch.

So I gather that you're definitely not buying the Shel reveal?

Yeah it feels wrong.