[Sheltatha Lore]

At least it isn't boring.

[Gait]

Fyi I'm going on holiday now see you never nerds.

[Tattersail_]

I dont buy it. If Bargh is scum then I believe you're his partner

[Path-Shaper]

Prazec Goul has been killed.
They were Tattersail and a tomato (healer).

[Venesara]

uhhhhh

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 35 hours and 59 minutes remaining
6 Players still alive: Gait, Gamelon, Kilava, Rikkter, Sheltatha Lore, Venesara

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Gait, Gamelon, Kilava, Rikkter, Sheltatha Lore, Venesara

[Gait]

Path-Shaper, on 20 August 2019 - 04:39 PM, said:

Barghast has been lynched.
They were Siergiej and a motato.

Tattersail_, on 20 August 2019 - 04:44 PM, said:

I dont buy it. If Bargh is scum then I believe you're his partner

Way to read the thread Tatts .

[Sheltatha Lore]

DDay, right? Wrong lynch brings us to parity, 2 scum vs 2 town.

From where I sit, Ven and I are definitely town and cases are needed on the rest. I guess I will get cracking. and no one should put votes down until we have consensus. L-2 could lead to a rapid lynch and end of game.

[Venesara]

Path-Shaper, on 20 August 2019 - 04:47 PM, said:

It is Day 4. 35 hours and 59 minutes remaining
6 Players still alive: Gait, Gamelon, Kilava, Rikkter, Sheltatha Lore, Venesara

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Gait, Gamelon, Kilava, Rikkter, Sheltatha Lore, Venesara

Kilava, on 20 August 2019 - 01:13 PM, said:

Wait did I understand it correctly - Gamelon voted for me then went on vacation? Or did I read that wrong?

Rikkter, on 20 August 2019 - 03:10 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 20 August 2019 - 03:07 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 20 August 2019 - 02:49 PM, said:

why gamelon and not prazec? prazec revealed for no reason aftr a lot of heat.Were it me, I'd rather test his revral first then gamellm's lame defemdse

Me too

Drunk agre I b with nyseld

Kilava, on 20 August 2019 - 03:15 PM, said:

LOL Rikkter is talking to himself.


I'll be around for the time that is left, in case I need to switch votes to get a lynch. I'd be okay with either of Barghast and Gamelon getting lynched, as I've said before, and now Gamelon will likely be modkilled either way, since it seems he's gone for a long time.

Kilava, on 20 August 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

We're the closest to lynch barghast it seems. What do we need to get the lynch guys?

Kilava, on 20 August 2019 - 03:56 PM, said:

I think we got all the votes necessary. Didn't we?

Kilava and Rikkter, despite having voted and making one-line posts, were the only 2 players not around at timeout, and prior comments were useless (see above). Even Gamelon and Shel were here. Barg and PG were here, but are now dead. Gait and I were here. Rikkter also stuck with his hard on for PG even though the day was timing out and lynch was not going to swing that way. Being the only guy to vote for the now-dead healer who self revealed doesn't look good to me. Rikkter wanted his CF pretty badly, well, we got it..

[Kilava]

I'm here, and I was here around timeout to change vote if needed, but as Sheltatha didn't want to change, the choice was clear. There was no reason for me to be a chatterbox since I've said everything I wanted to say, but if you have any questions, just ask.

[Gait]

My honest instinct is that Shel is fake revealing.

Shel gets votes, with Barg as the second biggest train. By Shel's own words, "I was totally expecting to wake up dead with everyone head nodding with Barg". He doesn't reveal.
He then comes back, finds he isn't dead, and chooses to reveal.

To me, this play simply makes more sense if Shel is scum.

If Shel is town, he decided not to reveal in order to try and save himself, he decided not to push his suspect to his full ability, but then he reveals at the end of the day anyway.
If Shel is scum, then I can see that he might not fake reveal when he thought he was dead anyway; after all, we'd get the scum CF anyway and he might be better just staying quiet to avoid giving us more to work with. But when he comes back and finds he's made it through the day, well, that's a different matter.

I don't buy that a roled town player - with a role that could instawin the late game - would decide not to fight against their own lynch just on the hope that we would follow his case after his CF (except apparently he expected us all to be "head nodding with Barg" anyway).

To me, it makes much more sense viewed as a "just survive this next day" fake reveal than as town play.

This feeling has only gotten worse for me from his behaviour following the reveal. He's quick to play nice with Ven:

Sheltatha Lore, on 20 August 2019 - 03:54 PM, said:

Ven, you and I are innocent in my mind.

And to assure us that:

Sheltatha Lore, on 20 August 2019 - 04:34 PM, said:

either death lends more credence to whichever roled survives

Which is nice and convenient when PG dies. (Nevermind that PG didn't buy the reveal by the way). I also notice that Shel doesn't seem to give any thought to the possibility that neither of them might be killed.

Sheltatha Lore, on 20 August 2019 - 04:34 PM, said:

we can begin narrowing it down as to who is killer by knowing who the roled target (only after the fact) [...] If healer and guard do not prevent a kill, we have more information

This post is interesting all over. What do you even mean by healer and guard. How does the guard target give us any information whatsoever when you claimed that "I can do nothing until one of the paired scum are dead"?

This just does not add up to me. Not the game balance, not the timing, and not what you've been writing since.

Edit: clarity
Edit 2: clarity boogaloo

This post has been edited by Gait: 20 August 2019 - 05:44 PM

[Kilava]

As for Rikkter, it's true that it doesn't look good for him, but he also was drunk, so there's that. I'm interested to hear what he has to say when he's sobered up.

[Kilava]

Guys I'm gonna be rereading everything that happened the past day later, and see what I see.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Try to suss out my reasoning all you like. When threatened with a very real chance of being lynched, I capitulated throwing out a hint of being roled to see if that would alter the course. When it didn't, I decided to let it be and make sure I defended my case to the end so that my most likely scum candidate would be taken seriously (I always have trouble convincing people not to ignore the "good townies" as possible scum). In the end, I revealed fully, even though I was more secure, because I saw a very real opportunity to coordinate with PG to cinch the game. I thought with one scum down, I would at least know who I guarded and if that failed I would know the identity of another fellow townie. I figured if scum were blocked, either the heal worked or I succeeded in guarding and we could work backwards from there, cock blocking scum each step of the way.

This all fell apart when I was dead wrong about Barg (who I was convinced was a stellar "townie" scum). That was my fuckup and I own it.

Regardless, you have Ven as known town. You can quibble over me all you like, but you do have 2 scum in the game still, so I would suggest we go after someone who is not possibly roled (and can save a neck tonight if we nail scum in a lynch). I don't care what you think of me. But at least approach this logically as D-Day.

[Sheltatha Lore]

One more thing: I had some clarification on modkill rules and I gather they are CF-less. I did not know this (even though I am a seasoned player) hence my vehemence in fighting Rikkter and Kilava on Day 1. I thought modkill would provide a CF regardless and could not understand wasting a lynch to obtain one. Again, my fuckup.

[Gamelon]

I will try to read through the thread but I wouldn’t hold out on me posting much. We do at least have confirmation of Prazec’s role, which clears Ven too most likely (I doubt killers withheld).

With Barghast gone I guess it’s Kilava and Gait for me as it stands before reading through.

[Gait]

Sheltatha Lore, on 20 August 2019 - 05:48 PM, said:

Try to suss out my reasoning all you like. When threatened with a very real chance of being lynched, I capitulated throwing out a hint of being roled to see if that would alter the course. When it didn't, I decided to let it be and make sure I defended my case to the end so that my most likely scum candidate would be taken seriously (I always have trouble convincing people not to ignore the "good townies" as possible scum). In the end, I revealed fully, even though I was more secure, because I saw a very real opportunity to coordinate with PG to cinch the game. I thought with one scum down, I would at least know who I guarded and if that failed I would know the identity of another fellow townie. I figured if scum were blocked, either the heal worked or I succeeded in guarding and we could work backwards from there, cock blocking scum each step of the way.

This all fell apart when I was dead wrong about Barg (who I was convinced was a stellar "townie" scum). That was my fuckup and I own it.

Regardless, you have Ven as known town. You can quibble over me all you like, but you do have 2 scum in the game still, so I would suggest we go after someone who is not possibly roled (and can save a neck tonight if we nail scum in a lynch). I don't care what you think of me. But at least approach this logically as D-Day.

In this this case I still don't see why you'd reveal right at the end of the day, indeed when Barg was already lynched. I get being convinced someone is scum but that certain...? Like you say, this is for the rest of us to suss out though.

I certainly hope to approach this rationally. To me, that means prioritising hitting scum today much more than worrying about tonight or tomorrow. If it's a close call then I'd start thinking about that, sure. But I'd be stupid to write someone off because they're claiming a role that could help in the future when we need to hit scum today.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Gait, on 20 August 2019 - 06:17 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 20 August 2019 - 05:48 PM, said:

Try to suss out my reasoning all you like. When threatened with a very real chance of being lynched, I capitulated throwing out a hint of being roled to see if that would alter the course. When it didn't, I decided to let it be and make sure I defended my case to the end so that my most likely scum candidate would be taken seriously (I always have trouble convincing people not to ignore the "good townies" as possible scum). In the end, I revealed fully, even though I was more secure, because I saw a very real opportunity to coordinate with PG to cinch the game. I thought with one scum down, I would at least know who I guarded and if that failed I would know the identity of another fellow townie. I figured if scum were blocked, either the heal worked or I succeeded in guarding and we could work backwards from there, cock blocking scum each step of the way.

This all fell apart when I was dead wrong about Barg (who I was convinced was a stellar "townie" scum). That was my fuckup and I own it.

Regardless, you have Ven as known town. You can quibble over me all you like, but you do have 2 scum in the game still, so I would suggest we go after someone who is not possibly roled (and can save a neck tonight if we nail scum in a lynch). I don't care what you think of me. But at least approach this logically as D-Day.

In this this case I still don't see why you'd reveal right at the end of the day, indeed when Barg was already lynched. I get being convinced someone is scum but that certain...? Like you say, this is for the rest of us to suss out though.

I certainly hope to approach this rationally. To me, that means prioritising hitting scum today much more than worrying about tonight or tomorrow. If it's a close call then I'd start thinking about that, sure. But I'd be stupid to write someone off because they're claiming a role that could help in the future when we need to hit scum today.

Not stupid at all. If you are certain I am scum, you can definitely push for me, but that still means you have another scum among the remaining people. What I am saying is, logically, if there is a question of me being roled (I am), err on the side of caution since there are two scum, not just one. Don't eliminate a potential roled when you have 4 other people not roled, 1 of whom is scum.

[Venesara]

It's only D-Day if we lynch town, which we are good at, so yeah, maybe it is.

Interestingly a no-lynch or night vote guarantees us another game day, as does lynching scum. So let's not fuck up.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Ok, I just finished rereading day 1, changing my perceptions based on:
1) lynching a modkill is a reasonable path
2) my arguments to the contrary were confusing to people who truly understand modkill rules

With that, I see Rikkter's approach as reasonable. I think his offhand comment about seeing who pops up to defend Gait as tenuous but still a worthwhile consideration. Also, seeing Rikkter as reasonable makes Kilava more reasonable in my mind as well, again reading Kilava as someone responding to a stupid player who is shitting them or just plain stupid.

The people I don't like are Gamelon and Gait.

Gamelon piling on a Gait lynch seems a safe bet and you even have some decent reasoning from Rikkter to fall back on. However, it also is intrinsically lazy and is a low-posting technique, which holds some attention. Moreover, Gamelon is saying there is nothing mid-day 1 and then proceeding not to participate when more material comes out.

Gait comes in swinging at anything and everything, fingering at least five people in his burst of posting (Ven, Shel, Rikkter, Gamelon, and Kilava). Makes a lot of noise without much substance, rebounding from the oh-shit moment of almost being modkilled. I almost get the impression that Gait acts like he cares while not really caring who gets lynched.

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