[Gait]

Prazec Goul, on 15 August 2019 - 08:45 PM, said:

The self vote only makes me want to lynch someone else. Is it a viable tactic for scum to vote themselves to derail their train. I've done it once in the past and it worked but I also put a lot more effort in that game. GL maybe just asking us to get on with it hoping we'd look better from d3 onwards but it's not in our interest to lynch town. If he's town he's sabotaging our chances of winning but if he is scum then he's going against the rules and sacrificing himself for no reason. It's a bit of a dilemma.

Barghast, on 15 August 2019 - 08:54 PM, said:

Hate when people do this. I never know how to read this. Is it a really bad town play or desperate scum?

Anyway, no one has voted for an alternative to Galayn yet and I feel like applying more pressure elsewhere might give us some information. I'm getting scum vibes from Kilava and Gamelon so for the moment I'm going to stick to my D1 case. Kilava encouraging Rikkter stinks and their hard-on for Sheltatha comes out of nowhere.

I will be back in an hour or two to check if anything interesting happened.

vote Kilava

For me, the thing is that it's still dodging the basic issue by framing it as if he's being accused of low-posting when he isn't. Town should at least be trying to generate information for the team. GL has shown no inclination towards doing this and it screams scum to me. Do we just let that slide for the whole game? The thought of losing to it is infuriating... like Barg says, hate it.

I do like using the time to explore though. The statement you pointed out from Kilava does strike me as odd; I never like when people kind of "lay out the options" for the thread. I'm somewhat wary of getting too caught up with day 1 arguments. At the same time, I find it a bit remarkable that the heat around Rikkter seems to have disappeared very quickly today.

Edit: messed up a quotation

This post has been edited by Gait: 15 August 2019 - 09:17 PM

[Prazec Goul]

I was going to leave a vote on Gamelin but I'll have time in the morning to see what's what.

[Gamelon]

Kilava, on 15 August 2019 - 09:09 PM, said:

My current theory is that Barghast could be defending Gamelon by doing some distancing by calling them scummy but then choosing someone else 'safe' to vote for. Quite brilliant if true. Gamelon has been doing some weird voting as I've noted in earlier posts. This situation could give us useful information - but yes it's also possible Barghast is trying to muddy the waters. And since I have to go soon.

Vote Gamelon

Quite brilliant Sherlock. It’s not that I can just have a different opinion to yours, you have to invent some convoluted defending/distracting nonsense explanation. Have fun with that.

[Gamelon]

Kilava, on 15 August 2019 - 07:37 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 15 August 2019 - 07:33 PM, said:

Kilava, on 15 August 2019 - 07:17 PM, said:

People have been pointing out that some haven't been engaging or saying much in their posts, which I think is a fair point. There's also a point to be made that scum is less likely to willfully ruffle any feathers as not to draw any attention. Or they could simply be playing carefully. This the second day, nothing jumps out at me too much as of yet, albeit some interesting pushes going on. I'd like to hear more arguments from people.
As for myself, I'm still leaning towards Sheltatha for previous reasons as they still stand, although I would like GL and Gamelon actually try to contribute something and not just rush in with their hitherto seemingly randomness. For instance Gamelon's vote for Prazec came off very random, as Prazec barely has said anything.

When you know, you know. You know? Why belabour the point when I’ve already made it? I believe PG is scum. If you don’t, so be it. But I think others have now said that they also didn’t like the way PG just came on and pointed lots of fingers, so it’s not like a lone crazy man shouting into the wind.

You think it’s random because it’s not part of the Kilava Rikkter blah blah blah. Well, sorry about it, but as soon as I see something which I consider outright scummy from there I’ll let you know. At the moment I see it from PG.

I acknowledge that there are a lot of ways to comes off scummy, but I would at least expect some actual arguments? If you're saying Prazec is pointing fingers, you have to be a bit more specific, since a lot of people is pointing fingers at this point. Case in point.

Wait, what’s the problem? You acknowledge that it’s scummy, but you need an argument? But you acknowledge that it’s scummy, so...argument successfully made?

If you want it in non-sarcastic speech - Prazec has been expressing favour for voting for whatever the de jour vote happens to be, but without actually doing much voting, instead waiting to see if the wind does indeed head in that direction. From Gait, to then expressing some mostly noncommittal bullshit in the Rikkter furore, to then casting suspicion on absent players while himself being absent at the exact same time. That’s a lot of things he’s suspicious of, plus a nice dose of hypocrisy that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny, and now of course I’m his main suspect, because he’d quite like rid of me for outing him as a killer.

[Rikkter]

I have thoughts but I’ve been busy this afternoon and am a little upset about RL.

I’ll give a thoughtful post before I go to bed.

[Barghast]

Kilava, on 15 August 2019 - 09:01 PM, said:

Barghast, on 15 August 2019 - 08:54 PM, said:

Hate when people do this. I never know how to read this. Is it a really bad town play or desperate scum?

Anyway, no one has voted for an alternative to Galayn yet and I feel like applying more pressure elsewhere might give us some information. I'm getting scum vibes from Kilava and Gamelon so for the moment I'm going to stick to my D1 case. Kilava encouraging Rikkter stinks and their hard-on for Sheltatha comes out of nowhere.

I will be back in an hour or two to check if anything interesting happened.

vote Kilava

You stick to your D1 case while saying I'm scummy for doing the same? Really? That's some lazy ass voting my friend.

See, the difference is that I think I have a case and you don't. You start by egging on Rikkter to stick to one weak case and then another and when people turn against Rik, you're there ready to wash your hands and vote them out. Plus there's your weird shouting match with Sheltatha that to me looks like distancing.

You, meanwhile, say you find Sheltatha suspicious and support this via... describing my behavior? And, as you acknowledge, that description is not even valid? I'm not even sure what that suspicion is based on tbh. Like I said, looks like distancing more than anything else. Now you switched to thinking I'm actually distancing from Gamelon. Somehow you voted on two people after associating both of them with me - this doesn't add up.

All that said, this will need to wait until D3. I gave it some thought and strongly feel we need to get rid of Galayn. If we keep Galayn alive, that self-vote will overshadow every following day. Even if Galayn is town, I'd rather cut the losses now than second-guess the decision to not have done that later in the game.

Galayn is on L-2 I think. Prazec said they want to wait until the morning and I will be around before timeout too so I'm not moving my vote yet but will be after I wake up. Galayn needs to go.

I'm off to bed.

[Gait]

Gamelon, on 15 August 2019 - 10:48 PM, said:

If you want it in non-sarcastic speech - Prazec has been expressing favour for voting for whatever the de jour vote happens to be, but without actually doing much voting, instead waiting to see if the wind does indeed head in that direction.

I actually think that's quite an astute observation.

Prazec said earlier that Gamelon was his top pick for scum. Gamelon currently only has one vote. It's hardly like you'd be dropping the hammer by adding yours. If you're town, why not put a vote on to make your top pick a more feasible option for a lynch? Why wait to "see what's what"? What exactly are you waiting for?

[Gait]

I'm going to sleep so I'll put my vote back on.

Vote Galayn Lord

[Rikkter]

ok, I'm back and rather than doing a dkt style read up, I'm going back to GL's self vote, than will comment from there.

My first instinct on his self vote is that it is a total dick move if he is town. If you don't have time, ask for a sub. PS already made plain that there are subs available.

My second thought is that it's a scum move to try and evoke pity, and maybe delay his lynch by another day or two.

I kind of think he has to go at this point. It's like a reveal, and we now have to test whether he's a dick town, or scum. Before I drop my vote though, I want to see what else I've missed.

[Rikkter]

Prazec Goul, on 15 August 2019 - 08:45 PM, said:

The self vote only makes me want to lynch someone else. Is it a viable tactic for scum to vote themselves to derail their train. I've done it once in the past and it worked but I also put a lot more effort in that game. GL maybe just asking us to get on with it hoping we'd look better from d3 onwards but it's not in our interest to lynch town. If he's town he's sabotaging our chances of winning but if he is scum then he's going against the rules and sacrificing himself for no reason. It's a bit of a dilemma.

And that is exactly why scum does it.

[Rikkter]

Kilava, on 15 August 2019 - 09:09 PM, said:

My current theory is that Barghast could be defending Gamelon by doing some distancing by calling them scummy but then choosing someone else 'safe' to vote for. Quite brilliant if true. Gamelon has been doing some weird voting as I've noted in earlier posts. This situation could give us useful information - but yes it's also possible Barghast is trying to muddy the waters. And since I have to go soon.

Vote Gamelon

I thought you were hot for Sheltatha? Some examples of Barghast and Gamelon would be helpful.

[Rikkter]

OK, I'm done. If not for GL, I probably would have wanted to pursue Prazec's dodginess. But, I will be asleep at timeout, and I think this lynch needs to happen.

vote Galayn Lord

[Path-Shaper]

As of this post

Rikkter, on 16 August 2019 - 01:51 AM, said:

OK, I'm done. If not for GL, I probably would have wanted to pursue Prazec's dodginess. But, I will be asleep at timeout, and I think this lynch needs to happen.

vote Galayn Lord

It is Day 2. 9 hours and 4 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Gait, Galayn Lord, Rikkter, Sheltatha Lore, Gamelon, Kilava, Barghast, Prazec Goul, Venesara

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night

5 Votes for Galayn Lord ( Venesara, Sheltatha Lore, Galayn Lord, Gait, Rikkter )
1 Vote for Prazec Goul ( Gamelon )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Barghast )
1 Vote for Gamelon ( Kilava )

Galayn Lord has been lynched.
They were Messremb and a motato.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Night 2.
8 Players still alive: Gait, Rikkter, Sheltatha Lore, Gamelon, Kilava, Barghast, Prazec Goul, Venesara

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 35 hours and 59 minutes remaining
8 Players still alive: Barghast, Gait, Gamelon, Kilava, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Sheltatha Lore, Venesara

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

Players not voted: Barghast, Gait, Gamelon, Kilava, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Sheltatha Lore, Venesara

The clock will freeze with exactly 24 hours remaining (even if I'm not around to post it)

[Barghast]

Interesting. Scum messing up or we have a healer?

If the former, then that's good look for Gait and Rikkter - I doubt scum would push for a lynch without a kill order submitted. Bad look for me (yikes) and Prazec for trying to stall the lynch until timeout. And Prazec being the first one to point out Galayn as scummy and then not voting for them sure looks fishy.

But then, that's all highly speculative.

Oh and obviously Kilava looks scummy but I feel like I said that before.

EDIT
Typo.

This post has been edited by Barghast: 16 August 2019 - 07:12 AM

[Prazec Goul]

Gait, on 15 August 2019 - 11:19 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 15 August 2019 - 10:48 PM, said:

If you want it in non-sarcastic speech - Prazec has been expressing favour for voting for whatever the de jour vote happens to be, but without actually doing much voting, instead waiting to see if the wind does indeed head in that direction.

I actually think that's quite an astute observation.

Prazec said earlier that Gamelon was his top pick for scum. Gamelon currently only has one vote. It's hardly like you'd be dropping the hammer by adding yours. If you're town, why not put a vote on to make your top pick a more feasible option for a lynch? Why wait to "see what's what"? What exactly are you waiting for?

Well I wasn't going to just drop a vote and leave, I'd have preferred to drop a vote and stay around and discuss it. We had time this morning and therefore more information but it seems like people just wanted the lynch over and done with

[Prazec Goul]

Path-Shaper, on 16 August 2019 - 04:21 AM, said:

As of this post

Rikkter, on 16 August 2019 - 01:51 AM, said:

OK, I'm done. If not for GL, I probably would have wanted to pursue Prazec's dodginess. But, I will be asleep at timeout, and I think this lynch needs to happen.

vote Galayn Lord

It is Day 2. 9 hours and 4 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Gait, Galayn Lord, Rikkter, Sheltatha Lore, Gamelon, Kilava, Barghast, Prazec Goul, Venesara

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night

5 Votes for Galayn Lord ( Venesara, Sheltatha Lore, Galayn Lord, Gait, Rikkter )
1 Vote for Prazec Goul ( Gamelon )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Barghast )
1 Vote for Gamelon ( Kilava )

Galayn Lord has been lynched.
They were Messremb and a motato.

9 hours remaining. Let that sink in Barghast. Look at the flurry of posts at the end of day one, yes we missed the lynch but we got more information from that end of day than this one. Who knows if another train would have formed. I understand the WIFOM behind Galayn Lord's self vote but I doubted he would have turned up scum. I am 100% behind the opinion there's a scum on that train. Early hammer from Rikkter is screaming at me, and Gait putting him on L1 with over 9 hours to go is also pinging scumdar.

[Barghast]

I feel very strongly that Galayn had to go because of that self-vote.

I hear what you're saying about Gait - the move to L-1 sealed the deal fairly early, with lots of time till timeout. I disagree on Rikkter though. I stated that I was very much commited to lynching Galayn closer to timeout. If Rikkter was scum, why would they drop the premature hammer knowing they can just wait? And possibly do that without a kill order?

[Prazec Goul]

Barghast, on 16 August 2019 - 08:37 AM, said:

I feel very strongly that Galayn had to go because of that self-vote.

I hear what you're saying about Gait - the move to L-1 sealed the deal fairly early, with lots of time till timeout. I disagree on Rikkter though. I stated that I was very much commited to lynching Galayn closer to timeout. If Rikkter was scum, why would they drop the premature hammer knowing they can just wait? And possibly do that without a kill order?

It's the flurry of posts just before the hammer, I see it as subconscious excitement to lynch town. Maybe you're right regarding him, or he is your partner (I have not looked into that possibility)




However, regarding Gait, last game, the killers were in similar spots on the trains. Second to last and around the beginning. In fact, with how spotless Gait's game has been so far I could definitely see a wolf in sheep clothing in him.