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Posted 06 June 2019 - 03:20 AM

Been a huge fan of this series for years and it needs its own discussion thread. Tag any and all spoilers beyond the first book!

 worrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 06 June 2019 - 03:32 AM

I finished Persepolis Rising about a month ago, actually. Haven't gotten to Tiamat's Wrath just yet.

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 worrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 06 June 2019 - 07:00 AM

I just finished Tiamat's Wrath.

I agree that, independently, PS does feel like it's setting the board for the next arc. But, in the context of TW, I understand why the events in the book were as expansive as they were. Detailing them so much helped set up and add weight to, among other things:
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All of these things are paramount in TW.

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 05:05 PM

I've only read the first three books (caught up with the show). Loved the books, but I'm waiting to read as the series moves forward (though I'm tempted to pick up Cibola Burn every time I'm in a bookstore).

I think the show has done a great job adapting the books, but they are different enough that it was enjoyable to read the books after watching the show.
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Posted 06 June 2019 - 06:11 PM

 Tavvar, on 06 June 2019 - 05:05 PM, said:

I've only read the first three books (caught up with the show). Loved the books, but I'm waiting to read as the series moves forward (though I'm tempted to pick up Cibola Burn every time I'm in a bookstore).

I think the show has done a great job adapting the books, but they are different enough that it was enjoyable to read the books after watching the show.


Based on where the story is right now, and who in the story we've been introduced to so far, and the big reveal at the end of Season 3, I think that Season 4 is gonna basically mash together the 4th, 5th, and 6th books, or at least have elements from all three without completing the full story in the season. So I think it will be increasingly difficult to keep to that trying to read the books as the show comes out thing.

I mean, even the first 3 seasons did not really follow the books exactly. First season was like the first half of book 1, second season was the second half of book 1 and like most of book 2, and season 3 was the end of book 2 and most of book 3. I think they'll likely skip most of book 4 in favour of the big story arc that really starts in book 5, or they'll use book 4 material as flashback stuff instead of a full season story. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how they adapt going forward, that's for sure.
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Posted 06 June 2019 - 06:17 PM

 Blend, on 06 June 2019 - 06:11 PM, said:

... I think they'll likely skip most of book 4 in favour of the big story arc that really starts in book 5, or they'll use book 4 material as flashback stuff instead of a full season story. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how they adapt going forward, that's for sure.


They could go the other direction and make S4 mostly book 4, and leave the big events from 5 onwards for S5+. I know BURN gets labelled most peoples' least favorite, but in terms of setting and events its the most self-contained of the series, probably the lowest cost to produce.
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Posted 06 June 2019 - 06:17 PM

 D, on 06 June 2019 - 03:32 AM, said:

I finished Persepolis Rising about a month ago, actually. Haven't gotten to Tiamat's Wrath just yet.

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I agree with what you've said, but it has been mentioned in interviews with the authors that PR is meant to be the start of the 3 book final arc of the series, so the fact that you felt it was mostly setup is because that's pretty much exactly what it was.

I still really liked...

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I haven't read Tiamat's Wrath yet, but I will be starting it tonight given I finished Kellanved's Reach last night. I'm super excited to see what's next!
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Posted 06 June 2019 - 06:19 PM

 Abyss, on 06 June 2019 - 06:17 PM, said:

 Blend, on 06 June 2019 - 06:11 PM, said:

... I think they'll likely skip most of book 4 in favour of the big story arc that really starts in book 5, or they'll use book 4 material as flashback stuff instead of a full season story. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how they adapt going forward, that's for sure.


They could go the other direction and make S4 mostly book 4, and leave the big events from 5 onwards for S5+. I know BURN gets labelled most peoples' least favorite, but in terms of setting and events its the most self-contained of the series, probably the lowest cost to produce.


You're certainly right about that story being more self-contained and cheaper, but they set up the big bad...

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at the end of Season 3, didn't they? You think they'll just completely ignore him through Season 4?
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Posted 11 June 2019 - 05:33 AM

Hmm... Maybe I'll see what they do with season 4 and then see where to go from there on the books. I don't want to wait years to read the rest of the books.

I could definitely seem them try to streamline things/alter the order, it sounds like the authors are quite aware of the differences between the two mediums and are willing to make changes to the story and characters to make it work on TV.
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Posted 12 June 2019 - 02:57 AM

View PostBlend, on 06 June 2019 - 06:19 PM, said:

View PostAbyss, on 06 June 2019 - 06:17 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 06 June 2019 - 06:11 PM, said:

... I think they'll likely skip most of book 4 in favour of the big story arc that really starts in book 5, or they'll use book 4 material as flashback stuff instead of a full season story. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how they adapt going forward, that's for sure.


They could go the other direction and make S4 mostly book 4, and leave the big events from 5 onwards for S5+. I know BURN gets labelled most peoples' least favorite, but in terms of setting and events its the most self-contained of the series, probably the lowest cost to produce.


You're certainly right about that story being more self-contained and cheaper, but they set up the big bad...

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at the end of Season 3, didn't they? You think they'll just completely ignore him through Season 4?


They could, and then just pick it up in S5.
More likely tho they condense bk 4 to half the season and have a parallel plot from bk5 that builds to the finale. Realistically BURN could be done in six eps or less.
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Posted 12 June 2019 - 02:42 PM

View PostTavvar, on 11 June 2019 - 05:33 AM, said:

Hmm... Maybe I'll see what they do with season 4 and then see where to go from there on the books. I don't want to wait years to read the rest of the books.


Well, all but one book are already released. The next book, according to interviews with the authors (and Wikipedia, it turns out), is meant to be the final book of the series.

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I could definitely seem them try to streamline things/alter the order, it sounds like the authors are quite aware of the differences between the two mediums and are willing to make changes to the story and characters to make it work on TV.


That is definitely the case! They've mashed up some characters (I'm thinking Drummer and Sam here for book readers), the character of Diogo the Belter is more or less completely made up for the show - I think he has like one line in the first book, but because the actor was super into learning the Belter patois and really did a good job at being a Belter, they kept him around longer in the show, and they've just plain left some characters out completely.

Oh, and honestly, though Shoreh Aghdashloo is an amazing actress, there's just no Chrisjen Avasarala if she's not swearing more than a pirate who has stubbed his toe. They've loosened her language restrictions a bit after Season 1, so you get a bit more of the genuine Avasarala, but it's still not quit the same as the Avasarala from the books!
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Posted 20 June 2019 - 03:29 PM

Just finished Tiamat's Wrath last night, and holy shit was that a great middle book to this series ending arc!!!

I felt it did enough to keep me turning the pages, even after...

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I'm also terrified...

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The big reveal that...

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Very much looking forward to the next and final instalment of this series!!!!
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Posted 20 June 2019 - 08:28 PM

Oh wait is the next one the final one? Madness.
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Posted 20 June 2019 - 08:39 PM

View PostIlluyankas, on 20 June 2019 - 08:28 PM, said:

Oh wait is the next one the final one? Madness.


That is what they say! The books are pretty popular, though, so who knows?
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