[D'rek]

Gnaw, on 04 April 2019 - 04:19 PM, said:

twelve, on 04 April 2019 - 04:10 PM, said:

D'rek any chance you could name me speaker? Either Gnaw is ignoring me or is oblivious to my request to gain Imperial.

Not ignoring you. Still considering whether I’m willing to give up the ceasefire. No one else has a homeworld next to him as poorly defended as mine.

Why would he care to attack your homeworld? He's going for the win and that nets him no points, plus it makes you more likely to attack him.

[Imperial Historian]

I do think it's a massive deviation from prior precedent. Revealing your moves in your post with ceasefire in play is an advantage for the defender, so no one does it. I know I didn't leave a provisional in at least one case I've played similarly previously.

I do think considering that the move was played by you the mod, at least giving gnaw a chance to say Morgoth is not playing his ceasefire what is your move just makes sense.

This wouldn't have occurred in actual play as morgoth would have had to respond instantly. Morgoth in the position where blend plays his move straight after gets a benefit he could not have achieved normally, as he has already seen blend play so knows he can not play ceasefire with no bad effects. Something he definitely could not do in real play.

Waiting for confirmation on everything will mean the game would take forever, and no action taken was in anyway influenced by the previous post.

I just don't see how it makes much sense unless there was some communication between you and gnaw we aren't privy too.

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 04 April 2019 - 04:32 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 04 April 2019 - 04:19 PM, said:

twelve, on 04 April 2019 - 04:10 PM, said:

D'rek any chance you could name me speaker? Either Gnaw is ignoring me or is oblivious to my request to gain Imperial.

Not ignoring you. Still considering whether I’m willing to give up the ceasefire. No one else has a homeworld next to him as poorly defended as mine.

Why would he care to attack your homeworld? He's going for the win and that nets him no points, plus it makes you more likely to attack him.

And also if morgoth attacks you he loses your sftt, doesn't make much sense to attack you whilst retaking rex makes all the sense in the world.

[twelve]

Gnaw, on 04 April 2019 - 04:19 PM, said:

twelve, on 04 April 2019 - 04:10 PM, said:

D'rek any chance you could name me speaker? Either Gnaw is ignoring me or is oblivious to my request to gain Imperial.

Not ignoring you. Still considering whether I’m willing to give up the ceasefire. No one else has a homeworld next to him as poorly defended as mine.

Well as I mentioned before I think you keeping the ceasefire is better. I want to guarantee Imperial and you are my only real shot at getting it.

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 04 April 2019 - 04:40 PM, said:

D, on 04 April 2019 - 04:32 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 04 April 2019 - 04:19 PM, said:

twelve, on 04 April 2019 - 04:10 PM, said:

D'rek any chance you could name me speaker? Either Gnaw is ignoring me or is oblivious to my request to gain Imperial.

Not ignoring you. Still considering whether I’m willing to give up the ceasefire. No one else has a homeworld next to him as poorly defended as mine.

Why would he care to attack your homeworld? He's going for the win and that nets him no points, plus it makes you more likely to attack him.

And also if morgoth attacks you he loses your sftt, doesn't make much sense to attack you whilst retaking rex makes all the sense in the world.

Ah yes the sftt loss. Forgot about that. Hmm maybe me getting the ceasefire would be worth it but I'd much rather guarantee Imperial over getting his ceasefire.

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 04 April 2019 - 04:38 PM, said:

I do think it's a massive deviation from prior precedent. Revealing your moves in your post with ceasefire in play is an advantage for the defender, so no one does it. I know I didn't leave a provisional in at least one case I've played similarly previously.

I do think considering that the move was played by you the mod, at least giving gnaw a chance to say Morgoth is not playing his ceasefire what is your move just makes sense.

This wouldn't have occurred in actual play as morgoth would have had to respond instantly. Morgoth in the position where blend plays his move straight after gets a benefit he could not have achieved normally, as he has already seen blend play so knows he can not play ceasefire with no bad effects. Something he definitely could not do in real play.

Waiting for confirmation on everything will mean the game would take forever, and no action taken was in anyway influenced by the previous post.

I just don't see how it makes much sense unless there was some communication between you and gnaw we aren't privy too.

^^

I'll definitely agree that Gnaw *should* have indicated more specifically he was waiting to see if the ceasefire would come back or not rather than assume it would, but this is a complicated game with a ton of little bits of text and nothing of consequence happened since the post, in which case there's no reason to get clarification on the wording/intent.

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 04 April 2019 - 04:40 PM, said:

D, on 04 April 2019 - 04:32 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 04 April 2019 - 04:19 PM, said:

twelve, on 04 April 2019 - 04:10 PM, said:

D'rek any chance you could name me speaker? Either Gnaw is ignoring me or is oblivious to my request to gain Imperial.

Not ignoring you. Still considering whether I'm willing to give up the ceasefire. No one else has a homeworld next to him as poorly defended as mine.

Why would he care to attack your homeworld? He's going for the win and that nets him no points, plus it makes you more likely to attack him.

And also if morgoth attacks you he loses your sftt, doesn't make much sense to attack you whilst retaking rex makes all the sense in the world.

Doh. I actually forgot he had that.

[Gnaw]

D, on 04 April 2019 - 04:53 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 04 April 2019 - 04:38 PM, said:

I do think it's a massive deviation from prior precedent. Revealing your moves in your post with ceasefire in play is an advantage for the defender, so no one does it. I know I didn't leave a provisional in at least one case I've played similarly previously.

I do think considering that the move was played by you the mod, at least giving gnaw a chance to say Morgoth is not playing his ceasefire what is your move just makes sense.

This wouldn't have occurred in actual play as morgoth would have had to respond instantly. Morgoth in the position where blend plays his move straight after gets a benefit he could not have achieved normally, as he has already seen blend play so knows he can not play ceasefire with no bad effects. Something he definitely could not do in real play.

Waiting for confirmation on everything will mean the game would take forever, and no action taken was in anyway influenced by the previous post.

I just don't see how it makes much sense unless there was some communication between you and gnaw we aren't privy too.

^^

I'll definitely agree that Gnaw *should* have indicated more specifically he was waiting to see if the ceasefire would come back or not rather than assume it would, but this is a complicated game with a ton of little bits of text and nothing of consequence happened since the post, in which case there's no reason to get clarification on the wording/intent.

Hmm. The fact that he didn’t activate it would seem to me that he’s not going after the 11 planet PO.?.?

[Gnaw]

And damn you Morgoth. I wanted my ceasefire back.

[Morgoth]

Gnaw, on 04 April 2019 - 05:08 PM, said:

And damn you Morgoth. I wanted my ceasefire back.

I am sure you’ll get it back in no time at all. Well, it was a good truce for as long as it lasted.

[Gnaw]

Morgoth, on 04 April 2019 - 05:18 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 04 April 2019 - 05:08 PM, said:

And damn you Morgoth. I wanted my ceasefire back.

I am sure you'll get it back in no time at all. Well, it was a good truce for as long as it lasted.

If Khell sticks to his decision my game is done. So no need to slow you down.

[Imperial Historian]

Gnaw, on 04 April 2019 - 05:05 PM, said:

D, on 04 April 2019 - 04:53 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 04 April 2019 - 04:38 PM, said:

I do think it's a massive deviation from prior precedent. Revealing your moves in your post with ceasefire in play is an advantage for the defender, so no one does it. I know I didn't leave a provisional in at least one case I've played similarly previously.

I do think considering that the move was played by you the mod, at least giving gnaw a chance to say Morgoth is not playing his ceasefire what is your move just makes sense.

This wouldn't have occurred in actual play as morgoth would have had to respond instantly. Morgoth in the position where blend plays his move straight after gets a benefit he could not have achieved normally, as he has already seen blend play so knows he can not play ceasefire with no bad effects. Something he definitely could not do in real play.

Waiting for confirmation on everything will mean the game would take forever, and no action taken was in anyway influenced by the previous post.

I just don't see how it makes much sense unless there was some communication between you and gnaw we aren't privy too.

^^

I'll definitely agree that Gnaw *should* have indicated more specifically he was waiting to see if the ceasefire would come back or not rather than assume it would, but this is a complicated game with a ton of little bits of text and nothing of consequence happened since the post, in which case there's no reason to get clarification on the wording/intent.

Hmm. The fact that he didn’t activate it would seem to me that he’s not going after the 11 planet PO.?.?

More likely he thinks he can get enough planets elsewhere that it doesn't matter.

[twelve]

He does have a lot of tactical actions.

[Blend]

FYI folks, though what Khell posted fkr me was almost everything I would have posted myself, he did miss adding the giving of my racial PN and Support for the Throne to Nom.

[Galactic Council]

Imperial Historian, on 04 April 2019 - 04:38 PM, said:

I do think it's a massive deviation from prior precedent. Revealing your moves in your post with ceasefire in play is an advantage for the defender, so no one does it. I know I didn't leave a provisional in at least one case I've played similarly previously.

I do think considering that the move was played by you the mod, at least giving gnaw a chance to say Morgoth is not playing his ceasefire what is your move just makes sense.

This wouldn't have occurred in actual play as morgoth would have had to respond instantly. Morgoth in the position where blend plays his move straight after gets a benefit he could not have achieved normally, as he has already seen blend play so knows he can not play ceasefire with no bad effects. Something he definitely could not do in real play.

Waiting for confirmation on everything will mean the game would take forever, and no action taken was in anyway influenced by the previous post.

I just don't see how it makes much sense unless there was some communication between you and gnaw we aren't privy too.

He didn’t wait for confirmation or give indication privately or publicly about what he would do if it wasn’t played. He said, your turn, Blend. Is it pedantic, yes probably, but there we go.

[Gnaw]

Galactic Council, on 04 April 2019 - 06:16 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 04 April 2019 - 04:38 PM, said:

I do think it's a massive deviation from prior precedent. Revealing your moves in your post with ceasefire in play is an advantage for the defender, so no one does it. I know I didn't leave a provisional in at least one case I've played similarly previously.

I do think considering that the move was played by you the mod, at least giving gnaw a chance to say Morgoth is not playing his ceasefire what is your move just makes sense.

This wouldn't have occurred in actual play as morgoth would have had to respond instantly. Morgoth in the position where blend plays his move straight after gets a benefit he could not have achieved normally, as he has already seen blend play so knows he can not play ceasefire with no bad effects. Something he definitely could not do in real play.

Waiting for confirmation on everything will mean the game would take forever, and no action taken was in anyway influenced by the previous post.

I just don't see how it makes much sense unless there was some communication between you and gnaw we aren't privy too.

He didn't wait for confirmation or give indication privately or publicly about what he would do if it wasn't played. He said, your turn, Blend. Is it pedantic, yes probably, but there we go.

Again, bullshit. The outcome of waiting for the ceasefire decision from Morgoth had zero effect on the turns of Blend, D’rek, or Nom. Why make them wait for that decision.

Galactic Council, on 03 April 2019 - 07:18 PM, said:

*shrug* If that's how he wants to play, then that's his prerogative. It's really incumbent on others whether they want to accept that kind of help to win.

It would have been more complicated, but I think it would have made more sense to 'punish' you more. Not because of the giving away TGs thing, but just because I think Blend would have lost it all last round anyway. And if not last round, then you could have easily taken out his WS at the beginning of this round. So just from the way the game was heading, there isn't actually much to compensate Blend for, whereas you probably should have lost a VP and your War Sun. But I was fed up with it and giving the TG was just simpler to keep the game flowing.

IMHO, you see an opportunity to do what you wanted to do, which is punish me for my CT mistake.

Whatever. It is what it is.

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 04 April 2019 - 06:31 PM

[Gnaw]

Under the circumstancesTwelve, no I’m not going to give you the ceasefire nor guarantee you Imperial. Morgoth has been a reliable neighbor.

[Galactic Council]

Well if I’m making everybody equally unhappy then that’s something, I guess. I’ve had a very tough day personally and am not in the mood to debate this, I’m sorry.

[Gnaw]

Galactic Council, on 04 April 2019 - 06:11 PM, said:

Look, it's not about punishing you. Frankly, it didn't even occur to me until Morgoth pointed it out after I asked him if he was playing the Ceasefire.

It may be very 'rules-strict', but Morgoth was perfectly entitled to say that you asked for Blend to play his turn, thus indicating your turn was over and that you could no longer revise yours once Blend's was posted (this is not something I at all thought about when posting Blend's action). How many times this game, for example, have I had to say to someone who wanted to rearrange their CTs again in the status phase after their turn was over that they could no longer do that (answer: too many times!).

You needed to have indicated either what the rest of your move would have been in the event of no Ceasefire being played, or, if you were unwilling to do that (which is fine), state that you were waiting on the outcome of another player's decision to finish your action. Instead, you said to move on. Is it legalese rather than the spirit of the game? Yes. But that doesn't make Morgoth's point invalid.

You don't think I would rather not have to make these decisions?!

Wait a sec... you mean you told him that I hadn’t actually submitted a provisional in the event that he didn’t activate ceasefire? I’m going to assume that that was after you made him make that decision...because otherwise I would be really pissed regardless of how bad your day has been.

[Galactic Council]

Gnaw, on 04 April 2019 - 06:37 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 04 April 2019 - 06:11 PM, said:

Look, it's not about punishing you. Frankly, it didn't even occur to me until Morgoth pointed it out after I asked him if he was playing the Ceasefire.

It may be very 'rules-strict', but Morgoth was perfectly entitled to say that you asked for Blend to play his turn, thus indicating your turn was over and that you could no longer revise yours once Blend's was posted (this is not something I at all thought about when posting Blend's action). How many times this game, for example, have I had to say to someone who wanted to rearrange their CTs again in the status phase after their turn was over that they could no longer do that (answer: too many times!).

You needed to have indicated either what the rest of your move would have been in the event of no Ceasefire being played, or, if you were unwilling to do that (which is fine), state that you were waiting on the outcome of another player's decision to finish your action. Instead, you said to move on. Is it legalese rather than the spirit of the game? Yes. But that doesn't make Morgoth's point invalid.

You don't think I would rather not have to make these decisions?!

Wait a sec... you mean you told him that I hadn’t actually submitted a provisional in the event that he didn’t activate ceasefire? I’m going to assume that that was after you made him make that decision...because otherwise I would be really pissed regardless of how bad your day has been.

No I didn’t tell him that.