[Tapper]

Gnaw, on 31 March 2019 - 07:15 AM, said:

Tapper, on 31 March 2019 - 06:44 AM, said:

twelve, on 31 March 2019 - 04:45 AM, said:

Tapper, I'm pretty sure we can work out a deal where you would allow me to retain leadership. I won't explain the details until after Gnaw uses his stolen tech ability but I think you can be satisfied with my offer.

Perhaps. I am not looking forward to negotiating during a reaction phase that will leave 7 others bored and the game stalled, though.

If it helps, I want Tech or Leadership. Could be talked into Construction.

Yeah, those first two would be my choices for QDN, as well.

I guess Twelve could use my motivations to price his offer:
Leadership would give me 5 CT. Using its secondary would give me (likely) 3. As such, I prize it less for the free CT (using QDN costs me 1 CT, 3 TG and takes the oportunity away to use 1 TG for a 3rd CT through influence), but more for the initiative and to guarantee it is used turn 1 so I can afford more moves/secondaries.

Tech I value because it will allow me to research twice and once again, gives me control over its timing. If Twelve's offer is decent, I will nab Tech.

[Tattersail_]

Can none of you steal Imperial to stop Morgoth scoring?

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 31 March 2019 - 09:23 AM, said:

Can none of you steal Imperial to stop Morgoth scoring?

1. If I give him 3 TG, he is 1 commodity refresh away from scoring the 10 TG 2 VP objective in addition to the 11 planet one. As such, stealing Imperial does not slow him down that much.

2. If I am to steal it to do everyone else a favor, I expect to at the very least be fully compensated for the TG and CT I spend. I am sacrificing this turn without benefit to myself because:

3. I would get no benefit from Imperial because I have no readily fulfilled objective available.

[twelve]

Itwæs Nom, on 31 March 2019 - 07:18 AM, said:

Tapper, on 31 March 2019 - 06:44 AM, said:

twelve, on 31 March 2019 - 04:45 AM, said:

Tapper, I'm pretty sure we can work out a deal where you would allow me to retain leadership. I won't explain the details until after Gnaw uses his stolen tech ability but I think you can be satisfied with my offer.

Perhaps. I am not looking forward to negotiating during a reaction phase that will leave 7 others bored and the game stalled, though.

If you end up using QDH to take leadership, can you leave me with choice between the last 2 strategy cards? Twelve took leadership knowing about this possibility and basically said he doesn't really care about the pick if it's not leadership or trade anyway

I do care but with second pick and being forced into 4th choice is bullshit. Lead from the front is the objective I'm likely to score this round so getting the extra CT when I can is a must so I'm gambling a little to see if I can actually keep it. Worse case I get a little closer to the trade good objective.

[Imperial Historian]

Don't fall for the QDH blackmail, the cost of doing it is so high that i don't think it's worth it unless it is going to win you the game. 6 TG equivalent for a better strategy card is a mugs game unless it's getting imperial/leadership to win you the game.

[Tapper]

twelve, on 31 March 2019 - 11:18 AM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 31 March 2019 - 07:18 AM, said:

Tapper, on 31 March 2019 - 06:44 AM, said:

twelve, on 31 March 2019 - 04:45 AM, said:

Tapper, I'm pretty sure we can work out a deal where you would allow me to retain leadership. I won't explain the details until after Gnaw uses his stolen tech ability but I think you can be satisfied with my offer.

Perhaps. I am not looking forward to negotiating during a reaction phase that will leave 7 others bored and the game stalled, though.

If you end up using QDH to take leadership, can you leave me with choice between the last 2 strategy cards? Twelve took leadership knowing about this possibility and basically said he doesn't really care about the pick if it's not leadership or trade anyway

I do care but with second pick and being forced into 4th choice is bullshit. Lead from the front is the objective I'm likely to score this round so getting the extra CT when I can is a must so I'm gambling a little to see if I can actually keep it. Worse case I get a little closer to the trade good objective.

Like I said, I am willing to listen to your proposal in part because Leadership's timing is more important to me than having the Primary is - getting the Primary is in my case in and by itself nullified by QDNs cost.

The calculation is slightly different for Tech because it allows me to do something unique with it (research twice at no CT cost).

@ IH: Gnaw is a lot more gung-ho with QDN than I am. I don't think you can bully with QDN except in very specific situations, it is just too costly. On the other hand, there are also Strategies that are just worth not having in a specific situation, where paying 3 TG to get rid of that one and 3 TG to get the one which is, is worth the price.

[twelve]

Tapper, on 31 March 2019 - 12:35 PM, said:

twelve, on 31 March 2019 - 11:18 AM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 31 March 2019 - 07:18 AM, said:

Tapper, on 31 March 2019 - 06:44 AM, said:

twelve, on 31 March 2019 - 04:45 AM, said:

Tapper, I'm pretty sure we can work out a deal where you would allow me to retain leadership. I won't explain the details until after Gnaw uses his stolen tech ability but I think you can be satisfied with my offer.

Perhaps. I am not looking forward to negotiating during a reaction phase that will leave 7 others bored and the game stalled, though.

If you end up using QDH to take leadership, can you leave me with choice between the last 2 strategy cards? Twelve took leadership knowing about this possibility and basically said he doesn't really care about the pick if it's not leadership or trade anyway

I do care but with second pick and being forced into 4th choice is bullshit. Lead from the front is the objective I'm likely to score this round so getting the extra CT when I can is a must so I'm gambling a little to see if I can actually keep it. Worse case I get a little closer to the trade good objective.

Like I said, I am willing to listen to your proposal in part because Leadership's timing is more important to me than having the Primary is - getting the Primary is in my case in and by itself nullified by QDNs cost.

The calculation is slightly different for Tech because it allows me to do something unique with it (research twice at no CT cost).

@ IH: Gnaw is a lot more gung-ho with QDN than I am. I don't think you can bully with QDN except in very specific situations, it is just too costly. On the other hand, there are also Strategies that are just worth not having in a specific situation, where paying 3 TG to get rid of that one and 3 TG to get the one which is, is worth the price.

Well if tech and leadership are your top choices. The use your racial to steal whichever one Gnaw takes. Forcing him to spend a Ct to gain extra Cts only to not get them is the way to go. I'd be okay with Gnaw stealing it from me if you turn around and steal it from him.

[twelve]

Tapper I'm showing you an action card. I'm willing to use it for either not taking Leadership from me or as a straight up action card trade. Let me know what you think.

[Blend]

Just realized I forgot to give Tapper that action card - will do so on my first turn in action phase.

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 31 March 2019 - 12:07 PM, said:

Don't fall for the QDH blackmail, the cost of doing it is so high that i don't think it's worth it unless it is going to win you the game. 6 TG equivalent for a better strategy card is a mugs game unless it's getting imperial/leadership to win you the game.

I’m willing to pay for the card I want. That simple.

[Tattersail_]

At Tapper or Gnaw are either of you looking to take technology off me?

[Gnaw]

Tattersail_, on 31 March 2019 - 06:06 PM, said:

At Tapper or Gnaw are either of you looking to take technology off me?

A;most certainly

[Gnaw]

If I have Leadership

• Leadership primary: 3CT + 1 from influence == 4CT
• Technology secondary: -4 resources == 3CT
• QDN == -1CT -1CT (3TG)
• NET == 5CT and exhausted Mordai
• CON: have to play galactic threat first

If I have Technology:

• Technology primary: 3CT + 3CT -6 resources
• QDN == -1CT -1CT(3TG)
• Leadership secondary: +1CT from influence
• NET == 5CT and exhausted Gwynan and Everra
• PRO: higher initiative for galactic threat

Any other card:

• Leadership secondary; +1CT from influence +1CT from 3TG
• Technology secondary: 3CT -4 resources
• NET == 5CT and exhausted Mordai
• CON: zero control when the CT gains happen

This round:

• If I have Leadership it will get played turn 2
• If I have technology it will get played turn 1 probably, turn 2 certainly.

[Gnaw]

So, Tapper are we going to be able to come to an agreement on which card you are going to QDN?

[twelve]

Gnaw, on 01 April 2019 - 04:44 AM, said:

So, Tapper are we going to be able to come to an agreement on which card you are going to QDN?

I think he should take whichever one you take.

Tapper, I think I've changed my mind and am not willing to part with anything to keep Leadership. If you want Leadership so be it.

[Morgoth]

I sense lots of anger in this thread.

[Tapper]

Gnaw, on 01 April 2019 - 04:44 AM, said:

So, Tapper are we going to be able to come to an agreement on which card you are going to QDN?

Tech is much the better card for me, I will pick that one.

[Tattersail_]

Tapper, on 01 April 2019 - 07:41 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 01 April 2019 - 04:44 AM, said:

So, Tapper are we going to be able to come to an agreement on which card you are going to QDN?

Tech is much the better card for me, I will pick that one.

Can you take construction then?

edit actually not bothered, whatever Nom wants make a deal with him

This post has been edited by Tattersail_: 01 April 2019 - 07:50 AM

[Morgoth]

I assume you guys have noticed that Tapper holds as many points as I do, and is in a much better position to get 10 trade goods.

[Tattersail_]

Morgoth, on 01 April 2019 - 08:45 AM, said:

I assume you guys have noticed that Tapper holds as many points as I do, and is in a much better position to get 10 trade goods.

You both have 6, IH though has 9, is 3 away from winning and D'rek is going to do nothing about it. Are you?