[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 20 September 2018 - 01:39 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 September 2018 - 01:07 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 September 2018 - 11:49 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 September 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 September 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

Gnaw, why should I give you my racial PN for nothing?

Khell what are you doing with that increasingly threatening fleet sat by bereg? Can we come to some sort of agreement?

We certainly can, your fleet isn't exactly giving me comfort either. What do you have in mind? I was actually wondering if Nom perhaps had designs on Bereg via the wormhole.

I mainly want the peace of mind that if I move you won't move straight in. Do you still have your ceasefire PN?

Or raghs call and promise not to use it unless you attack me, that way if you attack me you know you are leaving mecatol vulnerable.

If it helps I'd be moving against d'rek who seems like the most likely to get warsuns and super bombard rex.

I'm afraid that Nom has my Ceasefire.

The deals you propose give you peace of mind, but they don't really give ME peace of mind at the same time. There's also no way I can let anyone have Ragh's Call while I only have one planet, that's just not happening (and that's probably not going to change either, sigh).

You're looking for security as you plan to leave your systems a little more vulnerable. You can certainly pay me off with a Trade Agreement, if you have it, and I'll promise not to try and take advantage while you're off on space adventures. I'm also a little closed in where I am. Moving the destroyer off the beta wormhole might open up other options for me later on down the line (but if you take systems off D'rek, I won't seek to mess with that), and would certainly be a friendly overture.

Oh, and this would be a must for any deal we end up making: No placing wormholes in systems with my ships in them this phase (or status phase, whichever phase it is again when you can move them round), if indeed this agenda coming up is what I think it is. And that goes for if you give the wormhole token to anyone else to place, you have to have them promise not to place it in systems with my ships in them. My ships are, after all, all that I have.

Khell, you cannot place a wormhole in a system that contains ships.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 20 September 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 08:00 AM, said:

I have updated my post accordingly, I was going off the wording of the card and assumed it was a valid move.

D'rek I have offered to trade your commodities 2:2

That means I have 4 commodities available, first come first serve.

How are you doing this? I've claimed your commodities already.

I assumed you would but you didn't. I put it in my post. I assume Twelve uses my trade PN, to which I got a response from Galactic Council saying that you didn't.

I assumed from that that you are keeping it for next round or when you need to build or something.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 02:02 PM, said:

Khell, you cannot place a wormhole in a system that contains ships.

Oh duh, I totally forgot that, thanks.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 02:04 PM, said:

twelve, on 20 September 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 08:00 AM, said:

I have updated my post accordingly, I was going off the wording of the card and assumed it was a valid move.

D'rek I have offered to trade your commodities 2:2

That means I have 4 commodities available, first come first serve.

How are you doing this? I've claimed your commodities already.

I assumed you would but you didn't. I put it in my post. I assume Twelve uses my trade PN, to which I got a response from Galactic Council saying that you didn't.

I assumed from that that you are keeping it for next round or when you need to build or something.

And that's what I get for hurrying my post.

Mind holding off doing trades with others and I can just trade your pn back to you on my turn?

Morgoth

If you do refresh I will claim your trade goods (made sure to add the provisional this time) even though I am unable to refresh mine even if I wanted to so you might as well save your CT. I mean if you want to spend 1 I'll gladly take the trade goods but just thought I'd let you know before you went and spent the resources.

[Morgoth]

twelve, on 20 September 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 02:04 PM, said:

twelve, on 20 September 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 08:00 AM, said:

I have updated my post accordingly, I was going off the wording of the card and assumed it was a valid move.

D'rek I have offered to trade your commodities 2:2

That means I have 4 commodities available, first come first serve.

How are you doing this? I've claimed your commodities already.

I assumed you would but you didn't. I put it in my post. I assume Twelve uses my trade PN, to which I got a response from Galactic Council saying that you didn't.

I assumed from that that you are keeping it for next round or when you need to build or something.

And that's what I get for hurrying my post.

Mind holding off doing trades with others and I can just trade your pn back to you on my turn?

Morgoth

If you do refresh I will claim your trade goods (made sure to add the provisional this time) even though I am unable to refresh mine even if I wanted to so you might as well save your CT. I mean if you want to spend 1 I'll gladly take the trade goods but just thought I'd let you know before you went and spent the resources.

Well you can’t really use it until it’s your turn, and by then i’ll be out of commodities. I would happily have done the proper trade with you but you didn’t refresh so that’ll have to wait for next round.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 20 September 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 02:04 PM, said:

twelve, on 20 September 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 08:00 AM, said:

I have updated my post accordingly, I was going off the wording of the card and assumed it was a valid move.

D'rek I have offered to trade your commodities 2:2

That means I have 4 commodities available, first come first serve.

How are you doing this? I've claimed your commodities already.

I assumed you would but you didn't. I put it in my post. I assume Twelve uses my trade PN, to which I got a response from Galactic Council saying that you didn't.

I assumed from that that you are keeping it for next round or when you need to build or something.

And that's what I get for hurrying my post.

Mind holding off doing trades with others and I can just trade your pn back to you on my turn?

Morgoth

If you do refresh I will claim your trade goods (made sure to add the provisional this time) even though I am unable to refresh mine even if I wanted to so you might as well save your CT. I mean if you want to spend 1 I'll gladly take the trade goods but just thought I'd let you know before you went and spent the resources.

I don't get what you are saying.

Are you offering my Trade PN back to not trade with others?

[twelve]

Morgoth, on 20 September 2018 - 02:36 PM, said:

twelve, on 20 September 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 02:04 PM, said:

twelve, on 20 September 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 08:00 AM, said:

I have updated my post accordingly, I was going off the wording of the card and assumed it was a valid move.

D'rek I have offered to trade your commodities 2:2

That means I have 4 commodities available, first come first serve.

How are you doing this? I've claimed your commodities already.

I assumed you would but you didn't. I put it in my post. I assume Twelve uses my trade PN, to which I got a response from Galactic Council saying that you didn't.

I assumed from that that you are keeping it for next round or when you need to build or something.

And that's what I get for hurrying my post.

Mind holding off doing trades with others and I can just trade your pn back to you on my turn?

Morgoth

If you do refresh I will claim your trade goods (made sure to add the provisional this time) even though I am unable to refresh mine even if I wanted to so you might as well save your CT. I mean if you want to spend 1 I'll gladly take the trade goods but just thought I'd let you know before you went and spent the resources.

Well you can’t really use it until it’s your turn, and by then i’ll be out of commodities. I would happily have done the proper trade with you but you didn’t refresh so that’ll have to wait for next round.

Actually when I use the proper provisional when you refresh that is when I receive the trade goods. I get them before my turn. At least that is how it's worked the last two games up to this point.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 02:42 PM, said:

twelve, on 20 September 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 02:04 PM, said:

twelve, on 20 September 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 08:00 AM, said:

I have updated my post accordingly, I was going off the wording of the card and assumed it was a valid move.

D'rek I have offered to trade your commodities 2:2

That means I have 4 commodities available, first come first serve.

How are you doing this? I've claimed your commodities already.

I assumed you would but you didn't. I put it in my post. I assume Twelve uses my trade PN, to which I got a response from Galactic Council saying that you didn't.

I assumed from that that you are keeping it for next round or when you need to build or something.

And that's what I get for hurrying my post.

Mind holding off doing trades with others and I can just trade your pn back to you on my turn?

Morgoth

If you do refresh I will claim your trade goods (made sure to add the provisional this time) even though I am unable to refresh mine even if I wanted to so you might as well save your CT. I mean if you want to spend 1 I'll gladly take the trade goods but just thought I'd let you know before you went and spent the resources.

I don't get what you are saying.

Are you offering my Trade PN back to not trade with others?

No I'm saying since I messed up using your pn that on my turn I could trade it back to you for the 5 commodities I was going to get anyway.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 20 September 2018 - 02:54 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 02:42 PM, said:

twelve, on 20 September 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 02:04 PM, said:

twelve, on 20 September 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 08:00 AM, said:

I have updated my post accordingly, I was going off the wording of the card and assumed it was a valid move.

D'rek I have offered to trade your commodities 2:2

That means I have 4 commodities available, first come first serve.

How are you doing this? I've claimed your commodities already.

I assumed you would but you didn't. I put it in my post. I assume Twelve uses my trade PN, to which I got a response from Galactic Council saying that you didn't.

I assumed from that that you are keeping it for next round or when you need to build or something.

And that's what I get for hurrying my post.

Mind holding off doing trades with others and I can just trade your pn back to you on my turn?

Morgoth

If you do refresh I will claim your trade goods (made sure to add the provisional this time) even though I am unable to refresh mine even if I wanted to so you might as well save your CT. I mean if you want to spend 1 I'll gladly take the trade goods but just thought I'd let you know before you went and spent the resources.

I don't get what you are saying.

Are you offering my Trade PN back to not trade with others?

No I'm saying since I messed up using your pn that on my turn I could trade it back to you for the 5 commodities I was going to get anyway.

You still have it and can use it next round. Hmm. Do you need it this round? I could always trade my PN back for an additional TG this round

[Morgoth]

twelve, on 20 September 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 20 September 2018 - 02:36 PM, said:

twelve, on 20 September 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 02:04 PM, said:

twelve, on 20 September 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 September 2018 - 08:00 AM, said:

I have updated my post accordingly, I was going off the wording of the card and assumed it was a valid move.

D'rek I have offered to trade your commodities 2:2

That means I have 4 commodities available, first come first serve.

How are you doing this? I've claimed your commodities already.

I assumed you would but you didn't. I put it in my post. I assume Twelve uses my trade PN, to which I got a response from Galactic Council saying that you didn't.

I assumed from that that you are keeping it for next round or when you need to build or something.

And that's what I get for hurrying my post.

Mind holding off doing trades with others and I can just trade your pn back to you on my turn?

Morgoth

If you do refresh I will claim your trade goods (made sure to add the provisional this time) even though I am unable to refresh mine even if I wanted to so you might as well save your CT. I mean if you want to spend 1 I'll gladly take the trade goods but just thought I'd let you know before you went and spent the resources.

Well you can’t really use it until it’s your turn, and by then i’ll be out of commodities. I would happily have done the proper trade with you but you didn’t refresh so that’ll have to wait for next round.

Actually when I use the proper provisional when you refresh that is when I receive the trade goods. I get them before my turn. At least that is how it's worked the last two games up to this point.

Ah, I see. No refresh for me then.

[Imperial Historian]

Khellendros, on 20 September 2018 - 01:07 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 September 2018 - 11:49 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 September 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 September 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

Gnaw, why should I give you my racial PN for nothing?

Khell what are you doing with that increasingly threatening fleet sat by bereg? Can we come to some sort of agreement?

We certainly can, your fleet isn't exactly giving me comfort either. What do you have in mind? I was actually wondering if Nom perhaps had designs on Bereg via the wormhole.

I mainly want the peace of mind that if I move you won't move straight in. Do you still have your ceasefire PN?

Or raghs call and promise not to use it unless you attack me, that way if you attack me you know you are leaving mecatol vulnerable.

If it helps I'd be moving against d'rek who seems like the most likely to get warsuns and super bombard rex.

I'm afraid that Nom has my Ceasefire.

The deals you propose give you peace of mind, but they don't really give ME peace of mind at the same time. There's also no way I can let anyone have Ragh's Call while I only have one planet, that's just not happening (and that's probably not going to change either, sigh).

You're looking for security as you plan to leave your systems a little more vulnerable. You can certainly pay me off with a Trade Agreement, if you have it, and I'll promise not to try and take advantage while you're off on space adventures. I'm also a little closed in where I am. Moving the destroyer off the beta wormhole might open up other options for me later on down the line (but if you take systems off D'rek, I won't seek to mess with that), and would certainly be a friendly overture.

So what would you want from me to have mutually profitable peace? I don't want to move on rex or any of your systems. I could potentially vacate the beta wormhole and give you my trade PN for a promise not to attack me?

[Imperial Historian]

Khellendros, on 20 September 2018 - 12:51 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 20 September 2018 - 12:42 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 September 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

Gnaw, why should I give you my racial PN for nothing?

It involves one of the coming agendas. You’ll like it.

You just really don’t want that alpha wormhole in Bereg.

Ah, sounds like the dreaded 'destroy every ship in a wormhole hex' agenda. But then why shouldn't IH just move the wormhole himself rather than giving it to you?

Hmmm interesting, I can move the wormhole my self it's true.

[Khellendros]

Imperial Historian, on 20 September 2018 - 03:46 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 September 2018 - 01:07 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 September 2018 - 11:49 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 September 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 September 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

Gnaw, why should I give you my racial PN for nothing?

Khell what are you doing with that increasingly threatening fleet sat by bereg? Can we come to some sort of agreement?

We certainly can, your fleet isn't exactly giving me comfort either. What do you have in mind? I was actually wondering if Nom perhaps had designs on Bereg via the wormhole.

I mainly want the peace of mind that if I move you won't move straight in. Do you still have your ceasefire PN?

Or raghs call and promise not to use it unless you attack me, that way if you attack me you know you are leaving mecatol vulnerable.

If it helps I'd be moving against d'rek who seems like the most likely to get warsuns and super bombard rex.

I'm afraid that Nom has my Ceasefire.

The deals you propose give you peace of mind, but they don't really give ME peace of mind at the same time. There's also no way I can let anyone have Ragh's Call while I only have one planet, that's just not happening (and that's probably not going to change either, sigh).

You're looking for security as you plan to leave your systems a little more vulnerable. You can certainly pay me off with a Trade Agreement, if you have it, and I'll promise not to try and take advantage while you're off on space adventures. I'm also a little closed in where I am. Moving the destroyer off the beta wormhole might open up other options for me later on down the line (but if you take systems off D'rek, I won't seek to mess with that), and would certainly be a friendly overture.

So what would you want from me to have mutually profitable peace? I don't want to move on rex or any of your systems. I could potentially vacate the beta wormhole and give you my trade PN for a promise not to attack me?

Yep, that would be good enough for me. I will not move on your systems under those circumstances.

[Imperial Historian]

Khellendros, on 20 September 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 September 2018 - 03:46 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 September 2018 - 01:07 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 September 2018 - 11:49 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 September 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 September 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

Gnaw, why should I give you my racial PN for nothing?

Khell what are you doing with that increasingly threatening fleet sat by bereg? Can we come to some sort of agreement?

We certainly can, your fleet isn't exactly giving me comfort either. What do you have in mind? I was actually wondering if Nom perhaps had designs on Bereg via the wormhole.

I mainly want the peace of mind that if I move you won't move straight in. Do you still have your ceasefire PN?

Or raghs call and promise not to use it unless you attack me, that way if you attack me you know you are leaving mecatol vulnerable.

If it helps I'd be moving against d'rek who seems like the most likely to get warsuns and super bombard rex.

I'm afraid that Nom has my Ceasefire.

The deals you propose give you peace of mind, but they don't really give ME peace of mind at the same time. There's also no way I can let anyone have Ragh's Call while I only have one planet, that's just not happening (and that's probably not going to change either, sigh).

You're looking for security as you plan to leave your systems a little more vulnerable. You can certainly pay me off with a Trade Agreement, if you have it, and I'll promise not to try and take advantage while you're off on space adventures. I'm also a little closed in where I am. Moving the destroyer off the beta wormhole might open up other options for me later on down the line (but if you take systems off D'rek, I won't seek to mess with that), and would certainly be a friendly overture.

So what would you want from me to have mutually profitable peace? I don't want to move on rex or any of your systems. I could potentially vacate the beta wormhole and give you my trade PN for a promise not to attack me?

Yep, that would be good enough for me. I will not move on your systems under those circumstances.

How about my racial PN instead of my trade PN, gives you the opportunity to move the alpha wormhole and go through it

[Khellendros]

Imperial Historian, on 20 September 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 September 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 September 2018 - 03:46 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 September 2018 - 01:07 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 September 2018 - 11:49 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 September 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 September 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

Gnaw, why should I give you my racial PN for nothing?

Khell what are you doing with that increasingly threatening fleet sat by bereg? Can we come to some sort of agreement?

We certainly can, your fleet isn't exactly giving me comfort either. What do you have in mind? I was actually wondering if Nom perhaps had designs on Bereg via the wormhole.

I mainly want the peace of mind that if I move you won't move straight in. Do you still have your ceasefire PN?

Or raghs call and promise not to use it unless you attack me, that way if you attack me you know you are leaving mecatol vulnerable.

If it helps I'd be moving against d'rek who seems like the most likely to get warsuns and super bombard rex.

I'm afraid that Nom has my Ceasefire.

The deals you propose give you peace of mind, but they don't really give ME peace of mind at the same time. There's also no way I can let anyone have Ragh's Call while I only have one planet, that's just not happening (and that's probably not going to change either, sigh).

You're looking for security as you plan to leave your systems a little more vulnerable. You can certainly pay me off with a Trade Agreement, if you have it, and I'll promise not to try and take advantage while you're off on space adventures. I'm also a little closed in where I am. Moving the destroyer off the beta wormhole might open up other options for me later on down the line (but if you take systems off D'rek, I won't seek to mess with that), and would certainly be a friendly overture.

So what would you want from me to have mutually profitable peace? I don't want to move on rex or any of your systems. I could potentially vacate the beta wormhole and give you my trade PN for a promise not to attack me?

Yep, that would be good enough for me. I will not move on your systems under those circumstances.

How about my racial PN instead of my trade PN, gives you the opportunity to move the alpha wormhole and go through it

No sorry. The alpha wormholes lead to two people I cannot go to.

[Imperial Historian]

Ok so I give you my trade PN. I will vacate the alpha wormhole, do you have a timeframe for me doing this?

I also agree not to attack rex.

In return you agree not to attack any of my territories for the rest of the game?

Agreed?

[Khellendros]

Imperial Historian, on 20 September 2018 - 05:12 PM, said:

Ok so I give you my trade PN. I will vacate the alpha wormhole, do you have a timeframe for me doing this?

I also agree not to attack rex.

In return you agree not to attack any of my territories for the rest of the game?

Agreed?

Beta wormhole, not alpha.

And I can't agree for the rest of the game, sorry. I have half the board on that already. I'm not saying I have any plans to attack you, but a PO or SO might come up which will make it necessary in the future.

[Khellendros]

Similarly I don't expect you not to attack Rex for the rest of the game.

[Imperial Historian]

Khellendros, on 20 September 2018 - 06:00 PM, said:

Similarly I don't expect you not to attack Rex for the rest of the game.

Ok so I'm buying what exactly not being attacked for 2 rounds?

[Khellendros]

Imperial Historian, on 20 September 2018 - 07:16 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 September 2018 - 06:00 PM, said:

Similarly I don't expect you not to attack Rex for the rest of the game.

Ok so I'm buying what exactly not being attacked for 2 rounds?

At least until after I use the Trade PN (unless you deliberately don't refresh when able). Considering you're a points leader, most people who take Trade will be reluctant to let you refresh, so that's probably going to turn out to be a good deal.