[Imperial Historian]

Mansa 3 isn't an industrial planet which is what she needs.

[D'rek]

What I really wanted to go for was Wellon (industrial, yellow, owned by a leading player, and I could make a half-decent effort at holding it: win-win-win-win), but Tapper didn't move out of Herrah like I thought he would so no possible route.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 02:00 PM, said:

twelve, on 07 September 2018 - 01:56 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 01:42 PM, said:

twelve, on 07 September 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 08:18 AM, said:

He would not have done so well if everyone else hadn't chipped in giving him stuff like votes and trade PN's and things as well. So his negotiation is also a big factor into how he has done so well.

Those things were negotiated and traded for in good faith. There was no given.

Are you and Gnaw ready to start ready to give me the asked for territory now? Again if given to me along with your ceasefire pns we can finally put an end to all hostilities between our races.

Honestly I think you've earned your way out. I cannot speak for Gnaw but you're dogged. D'rek has my Ceasefire and I have Gnaw's. What is it you are suggesting?

I'd say give me your ceasefire and votes owed and i'll end my interest in your HW. I'll also not take trade strategy to stifle your production and give you 2 TG's next round. Finally we have a 2 round period of none aggression towards one another.

Thoughts?

Honestly I was thinking of coming to play again next round but you've consistently done well.

I'm willing to exchange my ceasefire if I get one back in return and only after I'm in control of the territories that are right next to my homeworld. Need to get ready for work but will think on how this can be done.

I have no idea what you me by votes owed. It was actually the other way around if I recall. Fyi

Votes from others owed to you.

You have a long way to go to earn back my trust so I'm going to be asking a lot from you to earn peace from me. Giving you the votes owed to me is not an option. But if you are serious about peace and not setting me up again with another broken promise this is what I'm proposing. First you remove everything from Thibah except the destroyer. as your first action next round. I wanted to take out your carrier but you need something the move the troops off the planet and I didn't want to risk 1 dread against 1 cruiser so I'm settling for the destroyer instead. Once you remove the said troops I will attack with just one dread and 1 troop to take Thibah. Once that planet is under my control you give me Gnaw's ceasefire PN and I will give you mine. I would also gladly accept your production biomes trade goods as well as a sign of good faith. At this point any movement east or west of the Thibah, Lazar/Sakulag border will be negotiated in good faith between our two races.

[Morgoth]

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 02:05 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 07 September 2018 - 01:57 PM, said:

D, on 07 September 2018 - 01:52 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

D, on 07 September 2018 - 01:45 PM, said:

Hey Tatts, can I borrow Lazar for the end of the round? I can clear out of it again first turn next round

Will my PDS be destroyed? You going for Mansa and Lazar for the yellow tech?

I don't see why not, I want to do something similar next round.

Just to be very clear though, you will move out on your first turn?

The PO and also, secondarily, the yellow prerequisite. I'm thinking Transit Diodes could be very important if the wormholes are closed. But the PO is the main reason, and if TECH is not played first turn I'll still vacate the planet+system on my first turn regardless.

I'd forgotten about your PDS. Yeah, it would automatically get removed. I won't replace it with one of mine

When we do Production Biomes next round I'll give 1 back to you to make up for the lost 1-resource from you not having the planet.

Hey can I take one of your planets, make you spend a CT to take it back, spend a CT to rebuild your PDS, score a VP and give you back one TG after you give me 2 as well tatts? That's real generous of you.

I am going to activate the system to build from it anyway, and maybe have to pull ships back from Thibah, so none of it is skin off my nose. I cannot use it right now, I am getting the resource from it next round anyway thanks to the deal and she is moving out first turn. If I was able to use it to score, or do something then it'd be more of an issue.

Jesus christ

[Morgoth]

D, on 07 September 2018 - 01:37 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 07 September 2018 - 06:48 AM, said:

D, on 06 September 2018 - 08:52 PM, said:

twelve, on 06 September 2018 - 08:30 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 September 2018 - 08:18 PM, said:

twelve, on 06 September 2018 - 07:31 PM, said:

You know what would really mess up their plans is if Khell gives either Morgoth or IH my racial pn and they use it to take diplomacy so I end up with it instead of them and they have to waste more actions and resources to keep up with me in their worthless war of atrition.

I'm probably happy to do that.

I doubt IH or Morgoth would be willing to give up first or 2nd pick though.

Well, I guess I can reveal that I'm holding Public Disgrace and will be using it on Morgoth if he picks LEADERSHIP in order to stifle him from getting the 2VP PO. So maybe knowing that he'll be more willing to do a Winnu racial exchange and hope you, Twelve, can still pick LEADERSHIP when it gets to you. If you pick it and swap with him I won't Public Disgrace you, though I'll certainly be encouraging Gnaw/Tatts to pick it so that doesn't happen.

And that's about it for my efforts to stifle IH and Morgoth's continual lead. Hopefully Tapper can do something about Nom 'cause I'm out of plays.

If you notice how many tokens I have, blocking me from Leadership will not influence whether I can claim that or not next round. What it will make sure of though, is that I'll have to pick politics again and you'll be second to last picking strategy card another round. Or if Nom pays me You'll be the very last.

Meh, what else is new.

Well if I’m picking leadership someone else will take politics. But sure, you can certainly reduce the amount of moves I can make next round and end up last for strategy selection again. I like getting some extra action cards and influencing the agendas anyway.

[D'rek]

Morgoth, on 07 September 2018 - 02:41 PM, said:

D, on 07 September 2018 - 01:37 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 07 September 2018 - 06:48 AM, said:

D, on 06 September 2018 - 08:52 PM, said:

twelve, on 06 September 2018 - 08:30 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 September 2018 - 08:18 PM, said:

twelve, on 06 September 2018 - 07:31 PM, said:

You know what would really mess up their plans is if Khell gives either Morgoth or IH my racial pn and they use it to take diplomacy so I end up with it instead of them and they have to waste more actions and resources to keep up with me in their worthless war of atrition.

I'm probably happy to do that.

I doubt IH or Morgoth would be willing to give up first or 2nd pick though.

Well, I guess I can reveal that I'm holding Public Disgrace and will be using it on Morgoth if he picks LEADERSHIP in order to stifle him from getting the 2VP PO. So maybe knowing that he'll be more willing to do a Winnu racial exchange and hope you, Twelve, can still pick LEADERSHIP when it gets to you. If you pick it and swap with him I won't Public Disgrace you, though I'll certainly be encouraging Gnaw/Tatts to pick it so that doesn't happen.

And that's about it for my efforts to stifle IH and Morgoth's continual lead. Hopefully Tapper can do something about Nom 'cause I'm out of plays.

If you notice how many tokens I have, blocking me from Leadership will not influence whether I can claim that or not next round. What it will make sure of though, is that I'll have to pick politics again and you'll be second to last picking strategy card another round. Or if Nom pays me You'll be the very last.

Meh, what else is new.

Well if I’m picking leadership someone else will take politics. But sure, you can certainly reduce the amount of moves I can make next round and end up last for strategy selection again. I like getting some extra action cards and influencing the agendas anyway.

Indeed indeed, it's a poopy price to pay, but when the alternative is you far-too-easily reaching 9 VP I'll pay it anyways.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 01:55 PM, said:

D, on 07 September 2018 - 01:52 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

D, on 07 September 2018 - 01:45 PM, said:

Hey Tatts, can I borrow Lazar for the end of the round? I can clear out of it again first turn next round

Will my PDS be destroyed? You going for Mansa and Lazar for the yellow tech?

I don't see why not, I want to do something similar next round.

Just to be very clear though, you will move out on your first turn?

The PO and also, secondarily, the yellow prerequisite. I'm thinking Transit Diodes could be very important if the wormholes are closed. But the PO is the main reason, and if TECH is not played first turn I'll still vacate the planet+system on my first turn regardless.

I'd forgotten about your PDS. Yeah, it would automatically get removed. I won't replace it with one of mine

When we do Production Biomes next round I'll give 1 back to you to make up for the lost 1-resource from you not having the planet.

That is fair enough. Go for it.

Jesus Christ, Tatts, at least ask for something in return.

[Tattersail_]

I intend to ask something similar in the future.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 02:50 PM, said:

I intend to ask something similar in the future.

That's...not how deals work.

What's to stop her just saying 'no' unless you put it as a stipulation of this deal?

[twelve]

Tatts, you waiting to hear from Gnaw before you comment on my proposal?

[Khellendros]

twelve, on 07 September 2018 - 05:12 PM, said:

Tatts, you waiting to hear from Gnaw before you comment on my proposal?

Don't push him! You'll make him nervous, spook him and lose all the progress you've made!

[Imperial Historian]

Khellendros, on 07 September 2018 - 02:52 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 02:50 PM, said:

I intend to ask something similar in the future.

That's...not how deals work.

What's to stop her just saying 'no' unless you put it as a stipulation of this deal?

Yeah d'rek has form for that, after all khell kindly spared d'reks dreadnought early on and asked to be spared the PDS shots in recompense later on but was refused.

[Morgoth]

Imperial Historian, on 07 September 2018 - 05:50 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 07 September 2018 - 02:52 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 02:50 PM, said:

I intend to ask something similar in the future.

That's...not how deals work.

What's to stop her just saying 'no' unless you put it as a stipulation of this deal?

Yeah d'rek has form for that, after all khell kindly spared d'reks dreadnought early on and asked to be spared the PDS shots in recompense later on but was refused.

Don’t remind me! Many a proud tree was lost that day

[Morgoth]

Hey IH, how about I take Quann this round and then you can have it back sometimes later. You wont lose anything because in the end we’ll all die from the heath death of the universe.

[Gnaw]

Not ignoring all y’all. Been an interesting day. Went to the Honda store. Long morning which ended up with me at the Toyota store. Waiting for them to finish the paperwork now.

[twelve]

Gnaw, on 07 September 2018 - 08:35 PM, said:

Not ignoring all y’all. Been an interesting day. Went to the Honda store. Long morning which ended up with me at the Toyota store. Waiting for them to finish the paperwork now.

Yuck. My one experience with a dealership purchase lead me to decide I never wanted to ever do that again.

[Imperial Historian]

Morgoth, on 07 September 2018 - 06:35 PM, said:

Hey IH, how about I take Quann this round and then you can have it back sometimes later. You wont lose anything because in the end we’ll all die from the heath death of the universe.

I think I'll pass on this deal. You can have it after the heat death of the universe if you want for a reasonable fee.

[Khellendros]

Morgoth, on 07 September 2018 - 06:35 PM, said:

Hey IH, how about I take Quann this round and then you can have it back sometimes later. You wont lose anything because in the end we’ll all die from the heath death of the universe.

This made me giggle so much. Yes, giggle. My girlfriend gave me one of her despairing stares as I tried to explain that you had to know the context.

[twelve]

So Gnaw does this mean you are ced>ng Everra back to me?

[Khellendros]

Looking at D'rek's action - I thought we ruled that you HAD to activate Ceasefires and couldn't choose not to?