[Morgoth]

I realise I haven't spent that much time looking at the map lately; Nom, you might want to shore up your defences a little.

[Khellendros]

Morgoth, on 07 September 2018 - 08:11 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 08:03 AM, said:

Nice win Twelve, unlucky Gnaw. Maybe should have waited to see if Nom would've given you the battle - station card.

Twelve is doing a great job.

He's just defending himself man. None of what has happened so far was anything other than entirely predictable. Sure he's making the right choices, as one would expect twelve to, but they're not that hard to figure out. Taking a homeworld is something you do with guile and surprise. Not a straight on, several rounds of attack.

What are you talking about? Gnaw and Tatts are clearly employing the famous, celebrated, and successful Brannigan Maneouvre from Zap Brannigan's Big Book of War.

[Tapper]

Khellendros, on 07 September 2018 - 08:53 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 07 September 2018 - 08:11 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 08:03 AM, said:

Nice win Twelve, unlucky Gnaw. Maybe should have waited to see if Nom would've given you the battle - station card.

Twelve is doing a great job.

He's just defending himself man. None of what has happened so far was anything other than entirely predictable. Sure he's making the right choices, as one would expect twelve to, but they're not that hard to figure out. Taking a homeworld is something you do with guile and surprise. Not a straight on, several rounds of attack.

What are you talking about? Gnaw and Tatts are clearly employing the famous, celebrated, and successful Brannigan Maneouvre from Zap Brannigan's Big Book of War.

Send in the slaves first, then the peasants, then those who own you favors, then your allies, then your mercenaries, then your friends, then your own army, then claim victory without anything to show for it?

[Morgoth]

Tapper, on 07 September 2018 - 09:26 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 07 September 2018 - 08:53 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 07 September 2018 - 08:11 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 08:03 AM, said:

Nice win Twelve, unlucky Gnaw. Maybe should have waited to see if Nom would've given you the battle - station card.

Twelve is doing a great job.

He's just defending himself man. None of what has happened so far was anything other than entirely predictable. Sure he's making the right choices, as one would expect twelve to, but they're not that hard to figure out. Taking a homeworld is something you do with guile and surprise. Not a straight on, several rounds of attack.

What are you talking about? Gnaw and Tatts are clearly employing the famous, celebrated, and successful Brannigan Maneouvre from Zap Brannigan's Big Book of War.

Send in the slaves first, then the peasants, then those who own you favors, then your allies, then your mercenaries, then your friends, then your own army, then claim victory without anything to show for it?

You see Killbots had a set kill-limit. I discovered their weaknes and sent wave after wave of my own men, until they reached their limit and shut down.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 08:18 AM, said:

He would not have done so well if everyone else hadn't chipped in giving him stuff like votes and trade PN's and things as well. So his negotiation is also a big factor into how he has done so well.

Those things were negotiated and traded for in good faith. There was no given.

Are you and Gnaw ready to start ready to give me the asked for territory now? Again if given to me along with your ceasefire pns we can finally put an end to all hostilities between our races.

[twelve]

Morgoth, on 07 September 2018 - 06:52 AM, said:

congrats on the defence twelve. And sure, I'm up for trading trade PNs.

Thanks for all the congratulations everyone. Been hanging on by the skin of my teeth all game. I feel a possible change in tide on the wind. And thanks Morgoth for exchanging goods with me. The Agenda phase trading has been a God send.

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 08:18 AM, said:

He would not have done so well if everyone else hadn't chipped in giving him stuff like votes and trade PN's and things as well. So his negotiation is also a big factor into how he has done so well.

It has been in the benefit of most to keep your war going.
I don't think you'd have let IH land on Mensah if you weren't counting on Winnu being yours, for just one example.
Sympathy also plays a role. I mean, the man can't even trade his commodities outside of the status phase.

[D'rek]

Morgoth, on 07 September 2018 - 06:48 AM, said:

D, on 06 September 2018 - 08:52 PM, said:

twelve, on 06 September 2018 - 08:30 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 September 2018 - 08:18 PM, said:

twelve, on 06 September 2018 - 07:31 PM, said:

You know what would really mess up their plans is if Khell gives either Morgoth or IH my racial pn and they use it to take diplomacy so I end up with it instead of them and they have to waste more actions and resources to keep up with me in their worthless war of atrition.

I'm probably happy to do that.

I doubt IH or Morgoth would be willing to give up first or 2nd pick though.

Well, I guess I can reveal that I'm holding Public Disgrace and will be using it on Morgoth if he picks LEADERSHIP in order to stifle him from getting the 2VP PO. So maybe knowing that he'll be more willing to do a Winnu racial exchange and hope you, Twelve, can still pick LEADERSHIP when it gets to you. If you pick it and swap with him I won't Public Disgrace you, though I'll certainly be encouraging Gnaw/Tatts to pick it so that doesn't happen.

And that's about it for my efforts to stifle IH and Morgoth's continual lead. Hopefully Tapper can do something about Nom 'cause I'm out of plays.

If you notice how many tokens I have, blocking me from Leadership will not influence whether I can claim that or not next round. What it will make sure of though, is that I'll have to pick politics again and you'll be second to last picking strategy card another round. Or if Nom pays me You'll be the very last.

Meh, what else is new.

[twelve]

Gnaw has been surprisingly absent since his assault. Would like to know if he's willing to come to the peace table finally yet or not?

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 07 September 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 08:18 AM, said:

He would not have done so well if everyone else hadn't chipped in giving him stuff like votes and trade PN's and things as well. So his negotiation is also a big factor into how he has done so well.

Those things were negotiated and traded for in good faith. There was no given.

Are you and Gnaw ready to start ready to give me the asked for territory now? Again if given to me along with your ceasefire pns we can finally put an end to all hostilities between our races.

Honestly I think you've earned your way out. I cannot speak for Gnaw but you're dogged. D'rek has my Ceasefire and I have Gnaw's. What is it you are suggesting?

I'd say give me your ceasefire and votes owed and i'll end my interest in your HW. I'll also not take trade strategy to stifle your production and give you 2 TG's next round. Finally we have a 2 round period of none aggression towards one another.

Thoughts?

Honestly I was thinking of coming to play again next round but you've consistently done well.

[D'rek]

Hey Tatts, can I borrow Lazar for the end of the round? I can clear out of it again first turn next round

[Tattersail_]

The other option would be for Gnaw to upgrade his destroyers to destroyer 2, build a better army that can take out fighters easily and swarm those dreads with lots of fighters. It is intriguing to see how it can be done, cracking someone's egg. Next game I will be avoiding this mess if possible. I really thought round 2 or round 3 would see it done but a few mistakes were made and skilled moves by you and here we are, loads of rounds later.

[Tattersail_]

D, on 07 September 2018 - 01:45 PM, said:

Hey Tatts, can I borrow Lazar for the end of the round? I can clear out of it again first turn next round

Will my PDS be destroyed? You going for Mansa and Lazar for the yellow tech?

I don't see why not, I want to do something similar next round.

Just to be very clear though, you will move out on your first turn?

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

D, on 07 September 2018 - 01:45 PM, said:

Hey Tatts, can I borrow Lazar for the end of the round? I can clear out of it again first turn next round

Will my PDS be destroyed? You going for Mansa and Lazar for the yellow tech?

I don't see why not, I want to do something similar next round.

Just to be very clear though, you will move out on your first turn?

The PO and also, secondarily, the yellow prerequisite. I'm thinking Transit Diodes could be very important if the wormholes are closed. But the PO is the main reason, and if TECH is not played first turn I'll still vacate the planet+system on my first turn regardless.

I'd forgotten about your PDS. Yeah, it would automatically get removed. I won't replace it with one of mine

When we do Production Biomes next round I'll give 1 back to you to make up for the lost 1-resource from you not having the planet.

[Tattersail_]

D, on 07 September 2018 - 01:52 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

D, on 07 September 2018 - 01:45 PM, said:

Hey Tatts, can I borrow Lazar for the end of the round? I can clear out of it again first turn next round

Will my PDS be destroyed? You going for Mansa and Lazar for the yellow tech?

I don't see why not, I want to do something similar next round.

Just to be very clear though, you will move out on your first turn?

The PO and also, secondarily, the yellow prerequisite. I'm thinking Transit Diodes could be very important if the wormholes are closed. But the PO is the main reason, and if TECH is not played first turn I'll still vacate the planet+system on my first turn regardless.

I'd forgotten about your PDS. Yeah, it would automatically get removed. I won't replace it with one of mine

When we do Production Biomes next round I'll give 1 back to you to make up for the lost 1-resource from you not having the planet.

That is fair enough. Go for it.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 01:42 PM, said:

twelve, on 07 September 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 08:18 AM, said:

He would not have done so well if everyone else hadn't chipped in giving him stuff like votes and trade PN's and things as well. So his negotiation is also a big factor into how he has done so well.

Those things were negotiated and traded for in good faith. There was no given.

Are you and Gnaw ready to start ready to give me the asked for territory now? Again if given to me along with your ceasefire pns we can finally put an end to all hostilities between our races.

Honestly I think you've earned your way out. I cannot speak for Gnaw but you're dogged. D'rek has my Ceasefire and I have Gnaw's. What is it you are suggesting?

I'd say give me your ceasefire and votes owed and i'll end my interest in your HW. I'll also not take trade strategy to stifle your production and give you 2 TG's next round. Finally we have a 2 round period of none aggression towards one another.

Thoughts?

Honestly I was thinking of coming to play again next round but you've consistently done well.

I'm willing to exchange my ceasefire if I get one back in return and only after I'm in control of the territories that are right next to my homeworld. Need to get ready for work but will think on how this can be done.

I have no idea what you me by votes owed. It was actually the other way around if I recall. Fyi

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 07 September 2018 - 01:52 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

D, on 07 September 2018 - 01:45 PM, said:

Hey Tatts, can I borrow Lazar for the end of the round? I can clear out of it again first turn next round

Will my PDS be destroyed? You going for Mansa and Lazar for the yellow tech?

I don't see why not, I want to do something similar next round.

Just to be very clear though, you will move out on your first turn?

The PO and also, secondarily, the yellow prerequisite. I'm thinking Transit Diodes could be very important if the wormholes are closed. But the PO is the main reason, and if TECH is not played first turn I'll still vacate the planet+system on my first turn regardless.

I'd forgotten about your PDS. Yeah, it would automatically get removed. I won't replace it with one of mine

When we do Production Biomes next round I'll give 1 back to you to make up for the lost 1-resource from you not having the planet.

Hey can I take one of your planets, make you spend a CT to take it back, spend a CT to rebuild your PDS, score a VP and give you back one TG after you give me 2 as well tatts? That's real generous of you.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 07 September 2018 - 01:56 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 01:42 PM, said:

twelve, on 07 September 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 08:18 AM, said:

He would not have done so well if everyone else hadn't chipped in giving him stuff like votes and trade PN's and things as well. So his negotiation is also a big factor into how he has done so well.

Those things were negotiated and traded for in good faith. There was no given.

Are you and Gnaw ready to start ready to give me the asked for territory now? Again if given to me along with your ceasefire pns we can finally put an end to all hostilities between our races.

Honestly I think you've earned your way out. I cannot speak for Gnaw but you're dogged. D'rek has my Ceasefire and I have Gnaw's. What is it you are suggesting?

I'd say give me your ceasefire and votes owed and i'll end my interest in your HW. I'll also not take trade strategy to stifle your production and give you 2 TG's next round. Finally we have a 2 round period of none aggression towards one another.

Thoughts?

Honestly I was thinking of coming to play again next round but you've consistently done well.

I'm willing to exchange my ceasefire if I get one back in return and only after I'm in control of the territories that are right next to my homeworld. Need to get ready for work but will think on how this can be done.

I have no idea what you me by votes owed. It was actually the other way around if I recall. Fyi

Votes from others owed to you.

[Tattersail_]

Imperial Historian, on 07 September 2018 - 01:57 PM, said:

D, on 07 September 2018 - 01:52 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 07 September 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

D, on 07 September 2018 - 01:45 PM, said:

Hey Tatts, can I borrow Lazar for the end of the round? I can clear out of it again first turn next round

Will my PDS be destroyed? You going for Mansa and Lazar for the yellow tech?

I don't see why not, I want to do something similar next round.

Just to be very clear though, you will move out on your first turn?

The PO and also, secondarily, the yellow prerequisite. I'm thinking Transit Diodes could be very important if the wormholes are closed. But the PO is the main reason, and if TECH is not played first turn I'll still vacate the planet+system on my first turn regardless.

I'd forgotten about your PDS. Yeah, it would automatically get removed. I won't replace it with one of mine

When we do Production Biomes next round I'll give 1 back to you to make up for the lost 1-resource from you not having the planet.

Hey can I take one of your planets, make you spend a CT to take it back, spend a CT to rebuild your PDS, score a VP and give you back one TG after you give me 2 as well tatts? That's real generous of you.

I am going to activate the system to build from it anyway, and maybe have to pull ships back from Thibah, so none of it is skin off my nose. I cannot use it right now, I am getting the resource from it next round anyway thanks to the deal and she is moving out first turn. If I was able to use it to score, or do something then it'd be more of an issue.

[Tattersail_]

IH you'd be grateful she doesn't want Mansa 3 instead, as that has a yellow pre-requisite.