[Morgoth]

well, we're right on the cusp anyway so I might as well tell you.

One blocks all travel through a and b wormholes, the other destroys all pds in, or bordering a system with a wormhole.

[Gnaw]

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 08:35 AM, said:

well, we're right on the cusp anyway so I might as well tell you.

One blocks all travel through a and b wormholes, the other destroys all pds in, or bordering a system with a wormhole.

Now I wish I hadn’t moved that wormhole. D’rek losing 3 PDS would be amusing.

[Gnaw]

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 08:06 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 07:58 AM, said:

Tatts, there's a law we're to vote for come the political phase that you'll get a real kick out of I think. But it means nothing to me now that D'rek removed my poor little fleet. So, in return for two tgs now, I will not vote against you.

alternatively

Gnaw, there's a law we're to vote for come the political phase where one of the results will be disastrous for you but quite amusing for me now that my fleet is gone. In return for 2 tgs now I will not vote against you.

Anything that affects me badly can be quashed by me, and Gnaw has a similar ability.

If you use my PN it uses the quash for the round.

[Gnaw]

And Morgy, it’s your turn.

[Tattersail_]

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 08:35 AM, said:

well, we're right on the cusp anyway so I might as well tell you.

One blocks all travel through a and b wormholes, the other destroys all pds in, or bordering a system with a wormhole.

Quote

Enforced Travel Ban Law Players cannot use alpha or beta wormholes. Destroy each PDS in/adjacent to a wormhole.

Would this include the Ghosts? That would greatly hamper their game.

So For would be the travel ban and Against would be the destroy PDS's.

Neither affect me at the moment but could impact my game later on.

From your point of view though Morgoth, you need the movement otherwise you'd have to go through Nom, IH or Khell to get anywhere

[Gnaw]

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 08:57 AM, said:

From your point of view though Morgoth, you need the movement otherwise you'd have to go through Nom, IH or Khell to get anywhere

Forcing the leaders to feed on each other....

Of course that would mostly benefit D’rek.

[Tattersail_]

You need 2 TG's. We can come to an arrangement.

[Morgoth]

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 09:02 AM, said:

You need 2 TG's. We can come to an arrangement.

You know my offer. I'll not vote against you if you give me 2 tgs now. I think that is reasonable considering how many votes I can field.

[Tattersail_]

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 09:03 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 09:02 AM, said:

You need 2 TG's. We can come to an arrangement.

You know my offer. I'll not vote against you if you give me 2 tgs now. I think that is reasonable considering how many votes I can field.

What do you mean vote against me?

For the Law you mentioned which affects all players or a different Agenda?

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 09:08 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 09:03 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 09:02 AM, said:

You need 2 TG's. We can come to an arrangement.

You know my offer. I'll not vote against you if you give me 2 tgs now. I think that is reasonable considering how many votes I can field.

What do you mean vote against me?

For the Law you mentioned which affects all players or a different Agenda?

I think he means he'll vote whichever way you want to vote.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 08:57 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 08:35 AM, said:

well, we're right on the cusp anyway so I might as well tell you.

One blocks all travel through a and b wormholes, the other destroys all pds in, or bordering a system with a wormhole.

Quote

Enforced Travel Ban Law Players cannot use alpha or beta wormholes. Destroy each PDS in/adjacent to a wormhole.

Would this include the Ghosts? That would greatly hamper their game.

So For would be the travel ban and Against would be the destroy PDS's.

Neither affect me at the moment but could impact my game later on.

From your point of view though Morgoth, you need the movement otherwise you'd have to go through Nom, IH or Khell to get anywhere

No, nothing can override the Creuss Quantum Entanglement trait. They would become the only race still able to use wormholes for movement.

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 06 September 2018 - 09:26 AM

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 06 September 2018 - 09:26 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 08:57 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 08:35 AM, said:

well, we're right on the cusp anyway so I might as well tell you.

One blocks all travel through a and b wormholes, the other destroys all pds in, or bordering a system with a wormhole.

Quote

Enforced Travel Ban Law Players cannot use alpha or beta wormholes. Destroy each PDS in/adjacent to a wormhole.

Would this include the Ghosts? That would greatly hamper their game.

So For would be the travel ban and Against would be the destroy PDS's.

Neither affect me at the moment but could impact my game later on.

From your point of view though Morgoth, you need the movement otherwise you'd have to go through Nom, IH or Khell to get anywhere

No, nothing can override the Creuss Quantum Entanglement trait. They would become the only race still able to use wormholes for movement.

Quantum Entanglement would mean A and B are adjacent that's fine but you'd still be "using" the Alpha or Beta wormhole, not sure if this affects Ghosts or not.

[Morgoth]

The Creuss are specifically immune, so they'd still be able to use them.

[Tattersail_]

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 09:44 AM, said:

The Creuss are specifically immune, so they'd still be able to use them.

So to be clear you are offering all your votes on the agenda and outcome that I want?

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 09:38 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 September 2018 - 09:26 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 08:57 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 08:35 AM, said:

well, we're right on the cusp anyway so I might as well tell you.

One blocks all travel through a and b wormholes, the other destroys all pds in, or bordering a system with a wormhole.

Quote

Enforced Travel Ban Law Players cannot use alpha or beta wormholes. Destroy each PDS in/adjacent to a wormhole.

Would this include the Ghosts? That would greatly hamper their game.

So For would be the travel ban and Against would be the destroy PDS's.

Neither affect me at the moment but could impact my game later on.

From your point of view though Morgoth, you need the movement otherwise you'd have to go through Nom, IH or Khell to get anywhere

No, nothing can override the Creuss Quantum Entanglement trait. They would become the only race still able to use wormholes for movement.

Quantum Entanglement would mean A and B are adjacent that's fine but you'd still be "using" the Alpha or Beta wormhole, not sure if this affects Ghosts or not.

'Game effects cannot prevent you from using this ability' - that ability being treating all systems with a wormhole as adjacent to each other.

[Morgoth]

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 09:50 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 09:44 AM, said:

The Creuss are specifically immune, so they'd still be able to use them.

So to be clear you are offering all your votes on the agenda and outcome that I want?

No, I'm offering not to put my votes against you. If I were to offer all my votes for you to use I would demand more than 2 tgs.

[Khellendros]

Ah. Yes, it did seem cheap.

[Tattersail_]

I just read up on it to be more clear about things.

If it passed then D'rek will be stuck in Mallice with those ships with a vengeful IH and a wormhole near her front door, so she would certainly want to vote Against. She will only lose one PDS.

Nom, Khell and Tapper will lose a PDS if they vote against but will lose movement if they vote For.

Morgoth, myself and Twelve lose nothing but also gain nothing.

Gnaw would lose 2 PDS if he votes against but have added security if he votes For.

IH gains a big advantage if the vote passes.


IH would want For, Gnaw would want For, Tapper may want For as he has a great defensive position, given that Nom has not used a wormhole yet and is sitting on one, he would prefer no one to come through it and may vote For. Khell wouldn't want his PDS to be destroyed but is sitting on a wormhole. He could go either way seems as someone could attack Rex at any point.

D'rek would want to vote against, but I assume it's no big deal for her to replace those dreads in a round or so.

So on this particular agenda with influence as it stands.
Definitely For

22 votes

Possibly/More likely For

22 votes

Possibly against

17 votes

Neutral

21 votes

Not as clear cut as I thought

[Tattersail_]

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 10:02 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 09:50 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 09:44 AM, said:

The Creuss are specifically immune, so they'd still be able to use them.

So to be clear you are offering all your votes on the agenda and outcome that I want?

No, I'm offering not to put my votes against you. If I were to offer all my votes for you to use I would demand more than 2 tgs.

So how about 4 of your 13 votes towards an outcome on an agenda I want?

So if I want For voted on you'll place 4 votes on for, as an example.

[Morgoth]

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 10:21 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 10:02 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 06 September 2018 - 09:50 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 06 September 2018 - 09:44 AM, said:

The Creuss are specifically immune, so they'd still be able to use them.

So to be clear you are offering all your votes on the agenda and outcome that I want?

No, I'm offering not to put my votes against you. If I were to offer all my votes for you to use I would demand more than 2 tgs.

So how about 4 of your 13 votes towards an outcome on an agenda I want?

So if I want For voted on you'll place 4 votes on for, as an example.

Hm, I can accept that.

Meaning I accept that deal.

This post has been edited by Morgoth: 06 September 2018 - 10:54 AM