[twelve]

Morgoth, on 27 August 2018 - 04:10 PM, said:

twelve, on 27 August 2018 - 03:46 PM, said:

Nom, Morgoth can give you the one TG he owes me instead if you give me your PN.

I don’t fully understand what sort of deal that has been worked out, but I have not a single tg.

When you get one give it to Nom, he is paying yours with his trade agreement pn.

[Tattersail_]

I doubt very much that Nom or IH has to give you anything to be fair Twelve. You can only guarantee your rider if you vote for. Don't see why Nom would give you anything.

[Tattersail_]

Now all riders are placed.

Tapper it is very much on you whether you give Morgoth, IH and Nom an extra VP.

The votes are 30 between you, me and Gnaw compared to 25 with IH and Nom.

Pros and cons. You didn't get a free refresh from Twelve. In fact you hot nothing out of that deal. This is a situation where you not only block 3 people from gaining a VP, you also block 3 people from hitting riders.

If Twelve doesn't get his then Gnaw eliminates him next round. Simple as that, but that shouldn't matter to you. The one thing that should matter is VP's. So vote against.

To sweeten that deal I'll give you your trade PN back plus one action card.

[Gnaw]

Tapper, you shouldn’t need to be bribed to do what’s in your best interest. However, you’d be an idiot not to take Tatts’. And I’ll throw in 5 votes for the future agenda of your choice.

[Imperial Historian]

And from then on any agreement from tapper in this or future games that is nonbinding is worthless.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 27 August 2018 - 06:27 PM, said:

I doubt very much that Nom or IH has to give you anything to be fair Twelve. You can only guarantee your rider if you vote for. Don't see why Nom would give you anything.

Nom agreed to a trade good over the weekend. To be fair Morgoth didn't agree but if he was around I think he would but it would be up to him to make that determination for himself.

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 27 August 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

And from then on any agreement from tapper in this or future games that is nonbinding is worthless.

As is Tatts nonbinding deals if he doesn't tho his two votes as I directed. I'm not really surprised by this from him. All last game he was skirting the line of breaking deals so it was just a matter of time before he did.

[Gnaw]

And what exactly does Tapper owe to whom?

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 27 August 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

And from then on any agreement from tapper in this or future games that is nonbinding is worthless.

I’m not certain how Tapper owes Twelve any votes. Twelve didn’t give him a free refresh.

[Tattersail_]

Imperial Historian, on 27 August 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

And from then on any agreement from tapper in this or future games that is nonbinding is worthless.

That's a bit salty. Twelve can get votes from Tapper in a future agenda but there was no deal struck between them.

[Tapper]

Gnaw, on 27 August 2018 - 08:03 PM, said:

And what exactly does Tapper owe to whom?

I promised 2 votes to Twelve to cover for Morgoth at the start of this round. Now, I am not impressed that my votes are going to be used to further distance Morgoth, IH and Nom from me in VP totals, but a promise is a promise - I should have added a clause, I guess.

[Tattersail_]

Gnaw, on 27 August 2018 - 08:08 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 27 August 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

And from then on any agreement from tapper in this or future games that is nonbinding is worthless.

I’m not certain how Tapper owes Twelve any votes. Twelve didn’t give him a free refresh.

He doesn't, he only said he'd give them on a future agenda.

[Gnaw]

Tapper, on 27 August 2018 - 08:12 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 27 August 2018 - 08:03 PM, said:

And what exactly does Tapper owe to whom?

I promised 2 votes to Twelve to cover for Morgoth at the start of this round. Now, I am not impressed that my votes are going to be used to further distance Morgoth, IH and Nom from me in VP totals, but a promise is a promise - I should have added a clause, I guess.

2 votes? Np. Just vote the rest AGAINST.

[Tapper]

Imperial Historian, on 27 August 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

And from then on any agreement from tapper in this or future games that is nonbinding is worthless.

Well, worthless... from then on...
I could theoretically always ask Twelve to call in my 2 at another time. After all, this is between him and me, not between you and me.

[Tapper]

Gnaw, on 27 August 2018 - 08:13 PM, said:

Tapper, on 27 August 2018 - 08:12 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 27 August 2018 - 08:03 PM, said:

And what exactly does Tapper owe to whom?

I promised 2 votes to Twelve to cover for Morgoth at the start of this round. Now, I am not impressed that my votes are going to be used to further distance Morgoth, IH and Nom from me in VP totals, but a promise is a promise - I should have added a clause, I guess.

2 votes? Np. Just vote the rest AGAINST.

Can only vote one way, remember?

[Gnaw]

Tapper, on 27 August 2018 - 08:16 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 27 August 2018 - 08:13 PM, said:

Tapper, on 27 August 2018 - 08:12 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 27 August 2018 - 08:03 PM, said:

And what exactly does Tapper owe to whom?

I promised 2 votes to Twelve to cover for Morgoth at the start of this round. Now, I am not impressed that my votes are going to be used to further distance Morgoth, IH and Nom from me in VP totals, but a promise is a promise - I should have added a clause, I guess.

2 votes? Np. Just vote the rest AGAINST.

Can only vote one way, remember?

No. I didn’t know that.

So in effect when someone promises a single vote they’re promising much more than a vote? Yeah, that is a really good deal for the receiver.

[twelve]

Gnaw, on 27 August 2018 - 08:08 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 27 August 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

And from then on any agreement from tapper in this or future games that is nonbinding is worthless.

I’m not certain how Tapper owes Twelve any votes. Twelve didn’t give him a free refresh.

He offered to cover Morgoths last 2 owed votes.

[twelve]

Gnaw, on 27 August 2018 - 08:13 PM, said:

Tapper, on 27 August 2018 - 08:12 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 27 August 2018 - 08:03 PM, said:

And what exactly does Tapper owe to whom?

I promised 2 votes to Twelve to cover for Morgoth at the start of this round. Now, I am not impressed that my votes are going to be used to further distance Morgoth, IH and Nom from me in VP totals, but a promise is a promise - I should have added a clause, I guess.

2 votes? Np. Just vote the rest AGAINST.

He can't it's against the rules.

[twelve]

Tapper, on 27 August 2018 - 08:15 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 27 August 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

And from then on any agreement from tapper in this or future games that is nonbinding is worthless.

Well, worthless... from then on...
I could theoretically always ask Twelve to call in my 2 at another time. After all, this is between him and me, not between you and me.

As this is my game and you don't at least abstain from that agenda I won't be around to call in those votes later.

[twelve]

D'rek, Tapper if you allow the for to go through I still have my sftt to give out. I'll save it to give it to one of you to make up that lost point this agenda puts you back. Say the fist to 11 between you and it's yours.