[twelve]

6 if he gets pds II. Would be a blood bath of epic proportions

[Gnaw]

twelve, on 20 July 2018 - 06:43 PM, said:

6 if he gets pds II. Would be a blood bath of epic proportions

If??

You and I discovered just how much fun those things are last game.

[Itwæs Nom]

Khell, up for a 2:2 trade turn 1?

Still rethinking...

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 12:15 PM, said:

Gnaw where do we stand with the various planets in our competing sphere of influence? Do you want lodor now? And you have claim to arinam meer?

Any other likely areas of conflict?

I think we're good for now. You?

I hate that we don’t have that many planets in our neck of the woods.

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 20 July 2018 - 07:29 PM

[Imperial Historian]

I am extremely confused about what's going on and torn between not taking advantage of the new player and taking advantage of the new player because clearly everyone else is.

So to confirm exactly what is going on you want me tatts to place the alpha wormhole in xull, vacate lodor so gnaw can take it, but make him wait 3 turns, and give your only action card to gnaw. You want me to take xull score a VP and then vacate it? And for this you want me to pay tatts 1tg to enable the trade.

Meanwhile you are letting khell occupy much of your natural territory unimpeded.

I can see a few issues with this as khell can move into xull before me, so I'd have to move in force to stop this which by the letter of our agreement is not allowed.

Also as much as I want to see you vacate lodor so I don't get looted every turn I don't want the mentak to implode so you should maybe think about the value of experimental battlestation (for example you could build a spacedock in lodor and i highly doubt gnaw would be coming through after you, not that that is necessarily a great move). Also you are leaving khell free to take a lot of your systems, which you could easily stop. If after thinking about it you still want to go through with the trade let me know, but bear in mind if your plans involve going through any wormhole you are likely to meet the Creuss in force and one of your ships will immediately explode. I'd maybe have a chat with blend about your plans and consider that the mentak ambush ability makes your fleet stronger than it appears.

[Imperial Historian]

Gnaw, on 20 July 2018 - 07:27 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 12:15 PM, said:

Gnaw where do we stand with the various planets in our competing sphere of influence? Do you want lodor now? And you have claim to arinam meer?

Any other likely areas of conflict?

I think we're good for now. You?

I hate that we don’t have that many planets in our neck of the woods.

So to confirm you are ok with me holding the planets I've taken, and moving on mallice and you are going for lodor? Or do you want to stick to our previous deal where I vacate lodd eru and move on lodor?

I can trade you my PN to move the alpha wormhole around next turn if you want some mobility. Put it in khells homeworld maybe?

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 07:38 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 20 July 2018 - 07:27 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 12:15 PM, said:

Gnaw where do we stand with the various planets in our competing sphere of influence? Do you want lodor now? And you have claim to arinam meer?

Any other likely areas of conflict?

I think we're good for now. You?

I hate that we don't have that many planets in our neck of the woods.

So to confirm you are ok with me holding the planets I've taken, and moving on mallice and you are going for lodor? Or do you want to stick to our previous deal where I vacate lodor eru and move on lodor?

I can trade you my PN to move the alpha wormhole around next turn if you want some mobility. Put it in khells homeworld maybe?

Seeing as how the Mentak are paying me off to leave Lodor alone, I’d like Lodd Eru at some point. And mobility would be nice.

[Gnaw]

Twelve, when are you thinking of using trade?

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 20 July 2018 - 05:12 PM, said:

Tatts we still good for 3 for 3 trade?

Yes BUT D'rek has my Trade PN.

[Imperial Historian]

Gnaw, on 20 July 2018 - 07:41 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 07:38 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 20 July 2018 - 07:27 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 12:15 PM, said:

Gnaw where do we stand with the various planets in our competing sphere of influence? Do you want lodor now? And you have claim to arinam meer?

Any other likely areas of conflict?

I think we're good for now. You?

I hate that we don't have that many planets in our neck of the woods.

So to confirm you are ok with me holding the planets I've taken, and moving on mallice and you are going for lodor? Or do you want to stick to our previous deal where I vacate lodor eru and move on lodor?

I can trade you my PN to move the alpha wormhole around next turn if you want some mobility. Put it in khells homeworld maybe?

Seeing as how the Mentak are paying me off to leave Lodor alone, I’d like Lodd Eru at some point. And mobility would be nice.

Can I hang on to it until I claim the 4 planet VP? Then I'll cede it to you.

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 07:34 PM, said:

I am extremely confused about what's going on and torn between not taking advantage of the new player

This is why Khell and I are harping on Nom about what he gets out of this.

If it were, say, Morgoth proposing this deal I'd shrug and make popcorn.

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 07:52 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 20 July 2018 - 07:41 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 07:38 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 20 July 2018 - 07:27 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 12:15 PM, said:

Gnaw where do we stand with the various planets in our competing sphere of influence? Do you want lodor now? And you have claim to arinam meer?

Any other likely areas of conflict?

I think we're good for now. You?

I hate that we don't have that many planets in our neck of the woods.

So to confirm you are ok with me holding the planets I've taken, and moving on mallice and you are going for lodor? Or do you want to stick to our previous deal where I vacate lodor eru and move on lodor?

I can trade you my PN to move the alpha wormhole around next turn if you want some mobility. Put it in khells homeworld maybe?

Seeing as how the Mentak are paying me off to leave Lodor alone, I'd like Lodd Eru at some point. And mobility would be nice.

Can I hang on to it until I claim the 4 planet VP? Then I'll cede it to you.

That was my assumption.

[Tattersail_]

Tapper, on 20 July 2018 - 05:11 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 03:35 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 July 2018 - 03:27 PM, said:

D, on 20 July 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 July 2018 - 03:12 PM, said:

D'rek what happens to your carrier when I move my carrier and infantry into Mansa 3 this turn? I plan on leaving Abyz/Fria undefended but what is to stop you from moving in on them when I do. Especially considering the new objective. Obviously I want good relations with you and do plan on production biomes going in your favour, exchange of SFTT when I vacate Mansa round 3. I just want your thoughts on the matter before making any moves.

It is tempting given the latest public objective... but it's not my intention. If it would reassure you more, do you want to just trade PNs now? How about we exchange both Ceasefires and Trade Agreements, and in exchange you can just keep Mansa III for the rest of the game?

I'd trade both of those things now, and still let you take Mansa in a future round if you'd want it.

Tatts you realise that's effectively you paying d'rek 4 TG to do what she was going to anyway?

If she doesn't research gravity drive in order to move her carrier to Arnor lor I'll be shocked!

Also, she's offering you Mansa and you don't take it. I get that you want to make sure you have a stable alliance with D'rek, but you trade away so many advantages with hardly a concession from her side that pretty soon, you run out of compensations to grant when you would like her to make a move that benefits you and hurts her.

I'm showing my neighbour a lot of good will. I think a strong D'rek will keep people at bay, and I think we'd both have a good shot at winning if we support each other somewhat.

Similar to being friends with Gnaw. I'm non aggressive to most people and I'm not liking my influence position at the moment.

[Tattersail_]

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 05:46 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 20 July 2018 - 05:27 PM, said:

@IH what about you pay Tatts for my action card trade with Gnaw so I can agree to the alpha wormhole placement on Mehar Xull? Or use your good relations to not have to pay anything or whatever, obviously I wouldn't be pillaging this particular trade

Where's the turtles again

I think that's a few too many steps to be agreeing a deal. Tatts needs to place the wormhole and gnaw needs to agree (and be happy having the alpha wormhole there which I think he isn't, in which case the deal is off anyway)

I've not had any other offers

[Imperial Historian]

Gnaw, on 20 July 2018 - 07:53 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 07:52 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 20 July 2018 - 07:41 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 07:38 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 20 July 2018 - 07:27 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 12:15 PM, said:

Gnaw where do we stand with the various planets in our competing sphere of influence? Do you want lodor now? And you have claim to arinam meer?

Any other likely areas of conflict?

I think we're good for now. You?

I hate that we don't have that many planets in our neck of the woods.

So to confirm you are ok with me holding the planets I've taken, and moving on mallice and you are going for lodor? Or do you want to stick to our previous deal where I vacate lodor eru and move on lodor?

I can trade you my PN to move the alpha wormhole around next turn if you want some mobility. Put it in khells homeworld maybe?

Seeing as how the Mentak are paying me off to leave Lodor alone, I'd like Lodd Eru at some point. And mobility would be nice.

Can I hang on to it until I claim the 4 planet VP? Then I'll cede it to you.

That was my assumption.

Cool and we aren't going to have conflict this turn over my other systems? I'm noticing you are very deliberately being non committal on that point

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 20 July 2018 - 05:56 PM, said:

Tatts I wasn't expecting you to use construction card so soon.

Before people can plan accordingly. Mixing things up

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 07:55 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 20 July 2018 - 07:53 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 07:52 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 20 July 2018 - 07:41 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 07:38 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 20 July 2018 - 07:27 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 12:15 PM, said:

Gnaw where do we stand with the various planets in our competing sphere of influence? Do you want lodor now? And you have claim to arinam meer?

Any other likely areas of conflict?

I think we're good for now. You?

I hate that we don't have that many planets in our neck of the woods.

So to confirm you are ok with me holding the planets I've taken, and moving on mallice and you are going for lodor? Or do you want to stick to our previous deal where I vacate lodor eru and move on lodor?

I can trade you my PN to move the alpha wormhole around next turn if you want some mobility. Put it in khells homeworld maybe?

Seeing as how the Mentak are paying me off to leave Lodor alone, I'd like Lodd Eru at some point. And mobility would be nice.

Can I hang on to it until I claim the 4 planet VP? Then I'll cede it to you.

That was my assumption.

Cool and we aren't going to have conflict this turn over my other systems? I'm noticing you are very deliberately being non committal on that point

We’ll have no conflicts on your other systems. I learned my lesson last game about fucking with the ethereal ones.

Committal enough for thee?

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 20 July 2018 - 07:54 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 05:46 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 20 July 2018 - 05:27 PM, said:

@IH what about you pay Tatts for my action card trade with Gnaw so I can agree to the alpha wormhole placement on Mehar Xull? Or use your good relations to not have to pay anything or whatever, obviously I wouldn't be pillaging this particular trade

Where's the turtles again

I think that's a few too many steps to be agreeing a deal. Tatts needs to place the wormhole and gnaw needs to agree (and be happy having the alpha wormhole there which I think he isn't, in which case the deal is off anyway)

I've not had any other offers

I have nothing to offer, but think you should put it on Arinam-Meer just for funsies.

[Gnaw]

D, on 20 July 2018 - 08:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 July 2018 - 07:54 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 July 2018 - 05:46 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 20 July 2018 - 05:27 PM, said:

@IH what about you pay Tatts for my action card trade with Gnaw so I can agree to the alpha wormhole placement on Mehar Xull? Or use your good relations to not have to pay anything or whatever, obviously I wouldn't be pillaging this particular trade

Where's the turtles again

I think that's a few too many steps to be agreeing a deal. Tatts needs to place the wormhole and gnaw needs to agree (and be happy having the alpha wormhole there which I think he isn't, in which case the deal is off anyway)

I've not had any other offers

I have nothing to offer, but think you should put it on Arinam-Meer just for funsies.

Yes, I agree. Mehar Xull would be a lovely spot for it.

[Tattersail_]

Itwæs Nom, on 20 July 2018 - 06:05 PM, said:

I mean this all wouldn't sound so complicated if Gnaw bothered talking to me, fingers crossed for when he's back

Isn't he scary when he's quiet?

Khell knows that about Morgoth too