[Imperial Historian]

I'll trade you 1tg now for 2tg the turn after trade is played khell.

[twelve]

Does Morgoth even know it's his go?

[Khellendros]

Tapper, on 04 November 2018 - 08:05 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 04 November 2018 - 01:18 AM, said:

Tapper, on 03 November 2018 - 01:51 PM, said:

D, on 03 November 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:

Tapper, on 03 November 2018 - 01:15 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 02 November 2018 - 11:56 PM, said:

As Nom did not activate trade, I require someone or someones to lend me 5 trade goods. You will be paid back as soon as the refreshes happen. This will also be to the benefit of all who are not named Tapper.

You sure have a sudden boner for me.

This was the only conceivable play I could make to try and compete with Morgoth. Instead, it seems I have handed him a win since everyone is suddenly focused on me: some because they see me as a frontrunner (spoiler: I am not, but that will probably be only seen when Morgoth moves to 11/12 points when he plays Imperial), but in your case, because I apparently offended your sense of.... something?

You're arguing that even though you have 8 VP, own MR, and can make yourself Speaker you're not a frontrunner...? Yes, Morgoth is *also* a frontrunner, but don't get silly about obvious things, now.

I would put myself at the forefront of the chasing pack, of which anyone with 7 points is also a member

I put myself in a good position, but mostly for next turn. I need 6 points.

Looking at the scoring objectives available: the production one is easy to deny me (once I saw Diplo wasn't played yet, I considered attacking a different system to get that, but ultimately, MR is MR and this move had drama, flair and just a little payback to Khell for his blackmail early game sprinkled on top).

The CT one less so, but any action I take works against it and as long as Leadership is played before Diplomacy, Rex is not going to give me CT this turn. Doing just the 1-pt ones is not going to be enough to win.

Morgoth can theoretically gain 4 points this round, either 2+2, or 2+1+secret objective. That puts him in pole position and makes him the immediate threat.

Payback for the blackmail? Please, this is far worse Payback would have been you saying, "hey, I'm going to take MR unless you pay me a king's ransom."

The payback was never my main motivation.
And we can both argue whether it is worse to lose MR late game or lose the TG you need for extra transports early game until we're blue in the face.

Anyway, you relied on massed Infantry as a deterrent against people taking MR. Guess what, that doesn't work very well against Sol (as you know from last game). Since you never bothered to reinforce MR with ships or upgrade your Infantry, I'd still be able to take it without Plague, or if Flanking Speed was Sabotaged.

My move further can't have been a total surprise given my promise to IH to evacuate Mallice. Those ships need to go somewhere.

If you mean losing the CT from Mecatol's Influence is terrible: it is not my fault you didn't use Leadership on your first turn, amd you do get the 3 CT from Leadership. either.

And let's be honest, part 1: what ransom could you have paid?

And let's be honest, part 2: how much compassion did you display for, say, Tatts' game plan when you invaded his Home System?

Sorry, why are you writing an essay to justify your actions? I don't need it nor did I question your move. Obviously I was cross when you did it - if I hadn't been then I wouldn't very well care about playing this game. But it was a good move for you. So I'm really not sure why you think you need to get in an argument with me.

[Khellendros]

Imperial Historian, on 04 November 2018 - 10:05 AM, said:

I'll trade you 1tg now for 2tg the turn after trade is played khell.

Dealio.

[Khellendros]

And the reason why I didn't expect a move on MR - from anyone - is because I can take out any fleet that comes in - but I suppose that's moot for you now you have a strong control of the planet itself.

Why didn't I expect it from you specifically? Well, you played a ton of action cards to get everyone there, which I simply can't account for anyone having.

[Morgoth]

twelve, on 04 November 2018 - 04:20 PM, said:

Does Morgoth even know it's his go?

Why would an immortal plant need to comprehend time?

[Khellendros]

Action plan guys, which seems better in terms of slowing Tapper down:

Taking out Tapper's fleet in MR, including flagship?

Or going through the wormhole (next turn)?

[twelve]

Do whatever either helps you most or is the most fun. Hopefully they are one and the same.

[Khellendros]

twelve, on 05 November 2018 - 06:35 AM, said:

Do whatever either helps you most or is the most fun. Hopefully they are one and the same.

Hmm, attacking Tapper in MR has a small chance of being better objective-wise than going through a wormhole in the immediate future. However, I do think I should head that way in the long-term anyway. Lots of systems and possibilities. If I don't use the wormhole (which doesn't even exist yet), then I would need D'rek and/or Nom to move out of my path, which requires a bit of trust on their part.

[Khellendros]

@Twelve/Gnaw:

If I moved out of Meer this turn, what are the chances you won't take it on your turns? I think low, which might force me to play Leadership on this turn.

[twelve]

Khellendros, on 05 November 2018 - 08:28 AM, said:

@Twelve/Gnaw:

If I moved out of Meer this turn, what are the chances you won't take it on your turns? I think low, which might force me to play Leadership on this turn.

Very good

[twelve]

I said I'd wait until you left. I have an action card and logistics still to pkay. I'm praying Non uses trade and gives Morgoth a refresh so I can get a command token but don't see it happening.

[twelve]

And if Gnaw takes it, well, things would go very baby for him if he did.

[D'rek]

Khellendros, on 04 November 2018 - 10:16 PM, said:

Action plan guys, which seems better in terms of slowing Tapper down:

Taking out Tapper's fleet in MR, including flagship?

Or going through the wormhole (next turn)?

First one, then the other?

If you want to go for MR, I think it has to be right away. If you wait, Tapper will probably put a PDS on it, which I don't think you can overcome even with Chaos Mapping.

[Tattersail_]

D, on 05 November 2018 - 02:41 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 04 November 2018 - 10:16 PM, said:

Action plan guys, which seems better in terms of slowing Tapper down:

Taking out Tapper's fleet in MR, including flagship?

Or going through the wormhole (next turn)?

First one, then the other?

If you want to go for MR, I think it has to be right away. If you wait, Tapper will probably put a PDS on it, which I don't think you can overcome even with Chaos Mapping.

Does Khell have enough to take on Tapper's fleet? Morgoth must be licking his lips though

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 05 November 2018 - 02:55 PM, said:

D, on 05 November 2018 - 02:41 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 04 November 2018 - 10:16 PM, said:

Action plan guys, which seems better in terms of slowing Tapper down:

Taking out Tapper's fleet in MR, including flagship?

Or going through the wormhole (next turn)?

First one, then the other?

If you want to go for MR, I think it has to be right away. If you wait, Tapper will probably put a PDS on it, which I don't think you can overcome even with Chaos Mapping.

Does Khell have enough to take on Tapper's fleet? Morgoth must be licking his lips though

With Chaos Mapping, he might. Which is probably why he wants the TG loan so he can build something better before the fight. Not sure how the odds will play out.

As for Morgoth, well, plants don't have lips But either way, I don't think he's too happy. Those last 2 PO VP for him are going to be hard, unless the "own 3 unit upgrade techs" objective is flipped next. I think giving away his trade agreement and everyone not granting a refresh so it still hasn't come back to him messed up his plans to prepare for the res/inf/tg stage II objectives, and he still needs 2 more rounds to achieve the stage II technology objective.

As untouchable as he may seem at the moment, his diplomacy has also more or less stuck him in a corner where he's reliant on a lucky PO draw to continue gaining points. The only other option is MR, already quite taxing for him to get to, and furthermore if Khell does retake it (or even just gets ships over a Tapper-owned MR), then Morgoth is losing a VP for trying to take it himself.

So no, I wouldn't say licking his lips. He's probably fretting quite a bit. Shaking his little leaves. Quivering his roots.

That being said, I'm not advocating any lessening of our worries towards Morgoth. Even if it's only a 1-in-8 chance, the mere possibility of a stage II PO he can immediately fulfill being drawn next and hence him winning the game next action phase is a chance we cannot take.

[Gnaw]

Khellendros, on 05 November 2018 - 08:28 AM, said:

@Twelve/Gnaw:

If I moved out of Meer this turn, what are the chances you won't take it on your turns? I think low, which might force me to play Leadership on this turn.

I won’t.

[Khellendros]

D, on 05 November 2018 - 02:41 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 04 November 2018 - 10:16 PM, said:

Action plan guys, which seems better in terms of slowing Tapper down:

Taking out Tapper's fleet in MR, including flagship?

Or going through the wormhole (next turn)?

First one, then the other?

If you want to go for MR, I think it has to be right away. If you wait, Tapper will probably put a PDS on it, which I don't think you can overcome even with Chaos Mapping.

I certainly can't re-take MR, I don't have enough troops even if I created another with Chaos Mapping. I can, I think, take out that fleet though.

@D'rek, Nom: Any chance you won't fire on me with your PDS when I move to MR? I plan to leave the area next round so one you will be able to try and take it without a fight from me (you'd still have to contend with Tapper's Spec Ops).

[Itwæs Nom]

Khellendros, on 05 November 2018 - 10:17 PM, said:

D, on 05 November 2018 - 02:41 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 04 November 2018 - 10:16 PM, said:

Action plan guys, which seems better in terms of slowing Tapper down:

Taking out Tapper's fleet in MR, including flagship?

Or going through the wormhole (next turn)?

First one, then the other?

If you want to go for MR, I think it has to be right away. If you wait, Tapper will probably put a PDS on it, which I don't think you can overcome even with Chaos Mapping.

I certainly can't re-take MR, I don't have enough troops even if I created another with Chaos Mapping. I can, I think, take out that fleet though.

@D'rek, Nom: Any chance you won't fire on me with your PDS when I move to MR? I plan to leave the area next round so one you will be able to try and take it without a fight from me (you'd still have to contend with Tapper's Spec Ops).

I definitely won't

[Galactic Council]

Game map has been updated to the end of Morgoth's turn.