[twelve]

D, on 18 July 2018 - 02:38 PM, said:

Twelve you can't pass until it's your turn.

My turn was before IHs he posted before I could pass.

[D'rek]

Khellendros, on 18 July 2018 - 03:05 PM, said:

D, on 18 July 2018 - 02:39 PM, said:

On the one hand, fighting bad. On the other hand, Khell attacking Tapper makes a great cassus belli for me to attack him back later. Hmmmmm

As if you would even need an excuse L1z1x

I do, actually.

[D'rek]

twelve, on 18 July 2018 - 03:07 PM, said:

D, on 18 July 2018 - 02:38 PM, said:

Twelve you can't pass until it's your turn.

My turn was before IHs he posted before I could pass.

Ah, I see. All good now.

[D'rek]

So Gnaw > Tatts > Khell > IH left who haven't passed.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 18 July 2018 - 02:59 PM, said:

I do not understand you Tatts. Since before the game started you've been saying threatening things to me. And now you are basically confirming that you want to fight me, or for someone to fight me with your money. Why?

Before the game?

I think the only threat has come from you in that regard

My link


I'm willing to trade with everyone. Your intentions and extortion of Tapper shows that you are a scary race and quite threatening. D'rek is my neighbour and i'd prefer her to keep you at a distance so I can focus on other areas of attack like IH through the wormhole.

We'll see what you do and how you do it. I'm happy in my corner of the galaxy. Stay away

[Khellendros]

Tapper, on 18 July 2018 - 11:15 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 18 July 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

Tapper, on 18 July 2018 - 10:44 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 18 July 2018 - 10:25 AM, said:

Tapper, on 18 July 2018 - 10:16 AM, said:

Okay. So your proposal is that I pay you 7 TG plus a CT, or your Dread + Fighter, Cruiser, Carrier and 4 Infantry come party.

Unfortunately, those 7 TG you demand are probably worth 10-11 TG to me: keeping my 3, a new refresh for 4, plus selling my Trade Agreement.

On top of that, considering how I will continue to throw everything and the kitchen sink at that system until I beat you, you will either

A) keep it for a very short time, in which case any losses you make in getting T//T not being earned back;

sit on it, for ever rising costs, as all that you leave me to this game is fight you and make your life miserable. For the first couple of turns, we will still be fairly balanced: Vefut and Jord give me 6 production to your 7.

C. Of course, you could also press on - but then D'rek or ItwaesBliss might try and lock you up in turn, and fighting me is going to cost you.

As such: bring it on.

I would never have intended to keep the system for very long at all.

In which case, it is not worth paying you 7 TG for, plus perhaps a CT, hmm?

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I had hoped at the start of this round to get there before you, and then leave and let you have it, but with your picking up Warfare and Nom wanting me to go to Wellon first things didn't work out that way.

Sure.

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I have 7 Infantry, not 4.

If you move your dock in, yes.

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Are you sure you don't want to reconsider? This is me learning from Mallice last game and that aggression is not always the best policy.

Khell, whether I accept or not, your move is aggressive and it [b/b]is going to cripple my game. If you wanted me to buy you off, you should have asked for a minor bribe to line your pocket, not a multi-turn mortgage.

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Yet I think that this is how I have to play Saar, at least in the early game.

Well, that's your PoV

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You say they're worth 10-11TG to you. Well, keeping your Carrier, Destroyer, Fighter, and 4 infantry is 8TG right there.

And they're worth zilch if I pay you what amounts to a cruiser fleet.

Basically, Khell, you asked me to reconsider. If one of us needs to reconsider, it is you: reconsider your demands.

Well, in fact I had hoped you'd consider negotiating to something lower rather than saying 'bring it on', but instead that's what you said. If you want to put forward a different offer, I'm happy to listen but that ball is in your court, not mine. I don't want to cripple your game, but neither do I want to weaken mine.

3 TG, 1 now, 1 each over the next 2 turns after refresh so I know you honor the deal. We can also continue to trade 2:2 commodities as we did this turn. (because if we go to war, it is in no-one's interest to allow you to win easily, so I'd expect at the least 1 of gnaw or Tatts to be less eager to trade with you).

You get half of what you demand without a fight, paid out over time. You can now make a move for the center.

Alternatively, my Ceasefire PN, start of next turn, with the explicit understanding from my side that you can sell it.

When you say 1 each over the next two turns after refresh, do you mean turns or rounds? Previously I read it as rounds but turns is obviously a lot better.

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 18 July 2018 - 03:17 PM

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 18 July 2018 - 03:11 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 18 July 2018 - 02:59 PM, said:

I do not understand you Tatts. Since before the game started you've been saying threatening things to me. And now you are basically confirming that you want to fight me, or for someone to fight me with your money. Why?

Before the game?

I think the only threat has come from you in that regard

My link


I'm willing to trade with everyone. Your intentions and extortion of Tapper shows that you are a scary race and quite threatening. D'rek is my neighbour and i'd prefer her to keep you at a distance so I can focus on other areas of attack like IH through the wormhole.

We'll see what you do and how you do it. I'm happy in my corner of the galaxy. Stay away

I'm not threatening. As far as I can see, it's annoying when the Saar pass through - but that is also what they do, pass through and then they go pester someone else.

[Khellendros]

Tapper, I would accept the trade good deal (if it is turns) but with the caveat that we understand that you agree not to try to attack me either.

As a future deal, I will cede you systems adjacent to you for fair compensation.

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 18 July 2018 - 03:27 PM

[D'rek]

Khellendros, on 18 July 2018 - 03:18 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 18 July 2018 - 03:11 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 18 July 2018 - 02:59 PM, said:

I do not understand you Tatts. Since before the game started you've been saying threatening things to me. And now you are basically confirming that you want to fight me, or for someone to fight me with your money. Why?

Before the game?

I think the only threat has come from you in that regard

My link


I'm willing to trade with everyone. Your intentions and extortion of Tapper shows that you are a scary race and quite threatening. D'rek is my neighbour and i'd prefer her to keep you at a distance so I can focus on other areas of attack like IH through the wormhole.

We'll see what you do and how you do it. I'm happy in my corner of the galaxy. Stay away

I'm not threatening. As far as I can see, it's annoying when the Saar pass through - but that is also what they do, pass through and then they go pester someone else.

Pretty much. And I don't mind being a well-funded buffer to block that.

Though it would take my attention and resources away from putting pressure on Twelve from me, so you may need to add a bit of/more pressure on him yourself later on, Tatts, depending on how Twelve looks in a couple rounds.

[Tattersail_]

Is Twelve dangerous to us though? I'd have thought he will be taking mec rex so others can deal with him like Morgoth and Nom

[Tattersail_]

I'm going to post this to find out what others are feeling but other than me, is anyone looking at Mallice? I'm looking to take that next round. Although i'd be willing to give someone a wormhole (Tapper?) if they are willing to pay for it. I mean Gnaw can get there with the wormhole on his front door, Creuss may want it but I think I will be able to plop 3 cruisers, carrier and infantry on it pretty quickly.

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 18 July 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

Is Twelve dangerous to us though? I'd have thought he will be taking mec rex so others can deal with him like Morgoth and Nom

Not so much dangerous to us as just potential to get an unstoppable VP lead/momentum. Twelve will throw everything he has into getting and holding MR - if he does that on, say, round 3 it's a lot worse for us (all of us) than if he does it on round 6.

It would indeed be great if Morgoth/Nom/Gnaw did something about that... but I lack confidence in this. Better to be prepared than disappointed. IH has already been a great help on it, though (I'm assuming that destroy will stay there, that is).

[Tapper]

Khellendros, on 18 July 2018 - 03:25 PM, said:

Tapper, I would accept the trade good deal (if it is turns) but with the caveat that we understand that you agree not to try to attack me either.

As a future deal, I will cede you systems adjacent to you for fair compensation.

OK, turns it is, and no, I will not attack you either. Seems we have a deal.

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 18 July 2018 - 03:35 PM, said:

I'm going to post this to find out what others are feeling but other than me, is anyone looking at Mallice? I'm looking to take that next round. Although i'd be willing to give someone a wormhole (Tapper?) if they are willing to pay for it. I mean Gnaw can get there with the wormhole on his front door, Creuss may want it but I think I will be able to plop 3 cruisers, carrier and infantry on it pretty quickly.

I thought IH was going to bum-rush it first round, so didn't even consider going for it (not that I have the wormhole access to do so). Since he didn't, I think it's absolutely fair game for you to go for it.

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 18 July 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 18 July 2018 - 03:35 PM, said:

I'm going to post this to find out what others are feeling but other than me, is anyone looking at Mallice? I'm looking to take that next round. Although i'd be willing to give someone a wormhole (Tapper?) if they are willing to pay for it. I mean Gnaw can get there with the wormhole on his front door, Creuss may want it but I think I will be able to plop 3 cruisers, carrier and infantry on it pretty quickly.

I thought IH was going to bum-rush it first round, so didn't even consider going for it (not that I have the wormhole access to do so). Since he didn't, I think it's absolutely fair game for you to go for it.

I'm planning on taking malice next round (I would have taken it this round if not for khells excellent slow play of logistics, didn't count on the mentak giving him an extra stall).

I would have thought you would want to avoid the mentak tax tatts.

[Khellendros]

Tapper, on 18 July 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 18 July 2018 - 03:25 PM, said:

Tapper, I would accept the trade good deal (if it is turns) but with the caveat that we understand that you agree not to try to attack me either.

As a future deal, I will cede you systems adjacent to you for fair compensation.

OK, turns it is, and no, I will not attack you either. Seems we have a deal.

Deal then. I suspect you've driven a better deal than most would.

[Tattersail_]

I'm passing on my turn

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 18 July 2018 - 03:59 PM, said:

I'm passing on my turn

Gnaw must be, too. No planets, TGs, or unactivated ships left.

[Imperial Historian]

I think Khell is the only one with the ability to move left.

[Imperial Historian]

Somewhat surprised that tatts is talking about funding d'rek, I'd have thought he would have been funding khell to slow down the inevitable ridiculously powerful fleet right next to him.