[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 31 July 2018 - 04:24 PM, said:

Also since it's just struck me that twelve seems to be operating under a different assumption to me on how gnaws nullification field works. Ends your turn does that mean the specific activation is stopped or you are forced to pass. I had assumed the latter but twelve seems to suggest the former.

It just ends the player's active turn. Not their round. At least that’s what I thought.

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 31 July 2018 - 04:27 PM

[Khellendros]

Gnaw, on 31 July 2018 - 04:27 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 31 July 2018 - 04:24 PM, said:

Also since it's just struck me that twelve seems to be operating under a different assumption to me on how gnaws nullification field works. Ends your turn does that mean the specific activation is stopped or you are forced to pass. I had assumed the latter but twelve seems to suggest the former.

It just ends the player's active turn. Not their round. At least that’s what I thought.

Yeah, I figured it was like a Sabotage for moves rather than action cards.

[Imperial Historian]

Ah ok it is a lot less powerful than I assumed!

[Imperial Historian]

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[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 31 July 2018 - 04:44 PM, said:

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[Tattersail_]

He helped you out with building your dreads.

[twelve]

Tattersail_, on 31 July 2018 - 05:47 PM, said:

He helped you out with building your dreads.

Well offering a VP to him this round that also gains him a PO wasn't good enough for him. It's the only leverage I have left to get assistance. I'm the only one being double teamed it's either that or just sit on my ass waiting for you guys to tag team me.

[twelve]

Personally I think there needs to be consequences to eliminating a player for the sake of eliminating them. It goes against the spirit of the game and isn't fun to be on the receiving end of an unwarranted tag team.

[D'rek]

twelve, on 31 July 2018 - 06:20 PM, said:

Personally I think there needs to be consequences to eliminating a player for the sake of eliminating them. It goes against the spirit of the game and isn't fun to be on the receiving end of an unwarranted tag team.

I think Gnaw could pretty easily argue that he feels this is in his best interests towards winning the game, rather than just for the sake of eliminating you. Imposing a sort of "rule" that tries to ban such things seems like it would, at best, give slight advantages to the non-military races, and at worst let any player completely ignore the need to build any defences under the pretense of "well if you attack me you're trying to eliminate me and that's banned" sort of thing.

Though I do think this situation would be less likely to occur with a more traditional galaxy construction and ordinary clockwise player order system...

Also, Winnu is a hard starting race... and frankly I think you made some poor choices in the opening that have contributed to this situation...

But ALSO also, it ain't over 'til it's over. You can turn this around.

[twelve]

I'm not stating a rule needs to be implemented, I'm saying other players should make him pay for his choices instead of just sitting back and let it happen. Hell I'm offering a VP and IH is still saying he's still not going to attack him to accomplish another goal. Efficiency of token use and all that.

Also I'm not sure what mistakes I made that contributed to my situation. Could you elaborate? Outside his flagship I had a decent fleet that could and should have held up to any attack on my held systems. Another's view point on how or what I should have done different that could have avoided this situation.

[D'rek]

In general, the biggest thing I think was not negotiating a lot harder/sooner on the galactic setup and initial neighbour relations, and wound up getting a lot of "leftovers" hexes around you instead.

Also, IIRC you ended up being stuck with a choice of IMPERIAL or WARFARE on the first round, which is poopy, but you picked IMPERIAL which I think was a bad call. Likewise Sarween Tools instead of AntiMassDeflectors. I think you would have been far better off getting Gravity Drive in round 1 and using it to rush your starting carrier to Mecatol Rex on round 2 (plus knowing AMD gives you a boost against Xxcha's greatest strength). As it turned out you could have used GD+Warfare to get said Carrier to Arinam/Meer in round 1, but even not knowing you would have those SC picks there was still the likely alternative of moving from Everra to MR with GD+Warfare on round 2, as well, so it was a decently sure thing.

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 31 July 2018 - 06:06 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 31 July 2018 - 05:47 PM, said:

He helped you out with building your dreads.

Well offering a VP to him this round that also gains him a PO wasn't good enough for him. It's the only leverage I have left to get assistance. I'm the only one being double teamed it's either that or just sit on my ass waiting for you guys to tag team me.

I did you a favour for no net benefit to me to keep you in the game. If that's how you repay your friends I don't think you'll get much help in the future. I've not said I won't help you but if you act like that after I helped you screw it crash and burn, you'll lose any chance of my help.

[Imperial Historian]

Also getting a card back which you can potentially trade someone for another 3 resources in your position isn't exactly a bad deal for you, especially as most people are going to give you a free refresh out of pity.

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 31 July 2018 - 08:18 PM, said:

twelve, on 31 July 2018 - 06:06 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 31 July 2018 - 05:47 PM, said:

He helped you out with building your dreads.

Well offering a VP to him this round that also gains him a PO wasn't good enough for him. It's the only leverage I have left to get assistance. I'm the only one being double teamed it's either that or just sit on my ass waiting for you guys to tag team me.

I did you a favour for no net benefit to me to keep you in the game. If that's how you repay your friends I don't think you'll get much help in the future. I've not said I won't help you but if you act like that after I helped you screw it crash and burn, you'll lose any chance of my help.

I'm not going to shafts you. I'm angry, disapointed and frustrated. You'll get your goods. And if you recall you get a profit from the trade so it's not like you did it as just a favor to me.

[twelve]

D, on 31 July 2018 - 07:51 PM, said:

In general, the biggest thing I think was not negotiating a lot harder/sooner on the galactic setup and initial neighbour relations, and wound up getting a lot of "leftovers" hexes around you instead.

I disagree with the hex negotiations. I was the first to start negotiations with other players and I'm fairly happy with the placement of the planets near me. Though having Everra and the blank hex swapped may have been nice but I don't think Tapper would have done that with me being Winnu.

I do agree with the neighbor talks, though. I didn't really talk about who got what or who I wanted to be buddy buddy with next to me. But as Gnaw pointed out I had a 50 50 chance of being his object of his genocide plot. And with how much he dislikes my negotiation methods I think it was a forgone conclusion he would have targeted me. And with Tatts being so far up your butt it was obvious he was more likely to be less than friendly toward me as well.

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Also, IIRC you ended up being stuck with a choice of IMPERIAL or WARFARE on the first round, which is poopy, but you picked IMPERIAL which I think was a bad call. Likewise Sarween Tools instead of AntiMassDeflectors. I think you would have been far better off getting Gravity Drive in round 1 and using it to rush your starting carrier to Mecatol Rex on round 2 (plus knowing AMD gives you a boost against Xxcha's greatest strength). As it turned out you could have used GD+Warfare to get said Carrier to Arinam/Meer in round 1, but even not knowing you would have those SC picks there was still the likely alternative of moving from Everra to MR with GD+Warfare on round 2, as well, so it was a decently sure thing.

This I also disagree with. Gravity drive was my goal initially but with the Nebula right next to me and Thiabah as a blue tech option it made more sense to get a jump start on yellow tech. There was no way outside Logistics round 1 could I have reached Rex earlier. Even having Gravity drive and warfare round 2 still wouldn't have got me to Rex. As far as the antimass deflectors I didn't think I would be going up against his flagship until mid rounds at the earliest and didn't expect such agressive moves from someone who last game did nothing but go out of his way to make his neighbors happy.

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 31 July 2018 - 08:51 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 31 July 2018 - 08:18 PM, said:

twelve, on 31 July 2018 - 06:06 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 31 July 2018 - 05:47 PM, said:

He helped you out with building your dreads.

Well offering a VP to him this round that also gains him a PO wasn't good enough for him. It's the only leverage I have left to get assistance. I'm the only one being double teamed it's either that or just sit on my ass waiting for you guys to tag team me.

I did you a favour for no net benefit to me to keep you in the game. If that's how you repay your friends I don't think you'll get much help in the future. I've not said I won't help you but if you act like that after I helped you screw it crash and burn, you'll lose any chance of my help.

I'm not going to shafts you. I'm angry, disapointed and frustrated. You'll get your goods. And if you recall you get a profit from the trade so it's not like you did it as just a favor to me.

I'm going to get looted by nom, so I won't get a profit. You'll have your trade PN to use as a negotiating tool on rex at least.

[Galactic Council]

Game map has been updated to the end of D'rek's turn.

[Galactic Council]

And now it's been updated to the end of Morgoth's turn!

[Morgoth]

I’ll be leaving today, so I don’t know how active I’ll be able to be.

[D'rek]

Galactic Council, on 01 August 2018 - 12:58 AM, said:

Play technology
Exhaust Nestphar and Zohbat for 6 resources.
Research Daxcive Animators and Gen Synthesis.

It's Letani Warrior II, not Gen Synthesis.