Tattersail_, on 31 July 2018 - 07:52 AM, said:
Free refresh
Tapper = Racial PN to be used once your strategy counters are used up.
I think these are very fair terms.
Anyone have any issues?
Damned right I have issues.
Let's go over to Jo (from Cobham) to explain it to you, sort of.
Hello mister alien, this is Jo from Cobham. I have been asked by the nice man of the ministry to explain to you all about costs. I says I don't know what costs, Reggie does me finances. He's a good boy, Reggie. And I was supposed to be renum'rated for this, Reggie says, not get costs. The nice man of the ministry, he says. Wants me to explain opp'tunity costs to you, he says. I asks, what are opp'tunity costs? He says you want some of our boys to help you out, he says. He says, guns and men are just one thing. Cheap, he says. 'bout a factory's worth. I says a factory isn't cheap. My Reginald, he worked in a factory and all those fancy robots are pretty expensive. Matter of perspective, the nice man says. He says, the Hacan won't care 'bout a factory. They swim in money except they gives most of it to the L1z1x. I never knew Lizzie was rich, I says. Her kneesocks have holes, I says. No, the L1z1x, he says. But they are not important. The Hacan are. Whose the Hacan, I asks? So I ask the computer. Feline desert dwellers organized in merchant houses, is what it says. I asks the computer does that really mean they're kitties? It says permutations across the universe do result in outcomes that match up with Japanese antropomorphic cartoon characters from the last decade of the twentieth century.
I says I don't know what that means. Reggie says I shouldn't care and that it is not very dipl'matic to ask anyways, he says. So I won't. Anyway, the nice man of the ministry says, guns and men are cheap. But you need to spend serious effort in getting them from a dock to where you want them to go and that is where the price comes from. Galaxy's a big place. But Sol Special Forces are an outcome: they're everywhere already, he says, just need to be made official. Giving them a uniform or somesuch I gather, but that does not answer why a Hacan would use people like us instead of kitties like hisself. But I can ask you now you're here, mister Hacan. Why do you?
Or, to put it in a bullet list:
1. You mention you want to use my PN when I am out of Strategic tokens, BUT:
1a. You have 1 Tactical action and your Strategic. You will need to play that PN as a component action.
1b. I have 2 Tacticals plus my Strategic and I can play Strategics in between as a Tactical, meaning I will likely pass after you will.
1c. I also might want to save Strategic tokens to Orbital Drop later in the round to fortify gains made from my Tactical actions.
1d. You're not going to spend massive amounts of TGs on Influence for Leadership, considering
Establish Trade Routes is up for grabs this turn.
--> Chances are you will have to either play the PN or pass while I still hold Strategic tokens.
2. If you pop the PN while I still have Strategic tokens, the cost to me is the same as a non-free refresh (a Strategic token).
2a. We have already established under 1) that there's a significant chance that I will still have Strategic tokens when you are on your last action. Are you then passing without using the PN?
--> if you do pas, what is the actual gain here for you? And if you play the PN and take my CT, what is the actual gain for me?
3. I can already score
Establish Trade Routes and don't need a refresh to score it (unlike several others).
3a. From your PoV: the situation above makes me less likely to refresh commodities at
any cost, what you ask me is still an asset even if it doesn't slurp up a CT.
3b. From my point of view, you also didn't negotiate, you made a demand.
Since I found 3 reasons why your offer sucks, I will give you 3 counter offers instead.
A. You just give me a free refresh.
--> Nothing gained, nothing lost, except that I will keep your largesse in mind and might make you a decent offer if/when you run into trouble.
B. You give me a free refresh and you pay me 3 TG in return for my Racial PN, and you can use the PN whenever you want, or trade it for all I care.
--> basically, you cover the cost of the Strategic token.
C. You give me a free refresh, your Trade Agreement PN and 3 TG, all on the turn this round in which you use TRADE. You get my
Support for the Throne.
I promise to use your PN next round when you refresh commodities, making sure you can score
Establish Trade Routes this round (if you currently hold your own Trade PN).
Everyone is entitled to his own wrong opinion. - Lizrad
Morgoth 
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