[D'rek]

Gnaw, on 11 July 2018 - 03:34 PM, said:

Tapper, on 11 July 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 11 July 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

I have a supernova to place, it either goes in 22 or 4. I'm not sure a wall of hard to pass through hexes around rex is a good idea. But equally don't want to screw over tapper in position C.

Do what you have to do. Supernova at 22 at the least makes sure there won't be one at 38 and makes sure D'rek doesn't come calling
Worst case scenario, I end up playing with myself researching tech and building infantry in my neck of the woods while play passes me by. I think as Sol, I could actually survive that and still have a decent-ish late game.

See, you should have went Muatt!

When you were mulling over picking Muaat I thought maybe you had the Supernova tile. Imagine being the G homeworld, placing your best system in 42, and the Supernova in 31 which only you can pass through (with a war sun, no less) to hit homeworld H. Terrifying.

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 11 July 2018 - 03:49 PM, said:

Come on Blissodemus! What is it with those fucking pirates

Too much space rum

[Tapper]

D, on 11 July 2018 - 03:43 PM, said:

Tapper, on 11 July 2018 - 03:17 PM, said:

D, on 11 July 2018 - 02:12 PM, said:

Tapper, been thinking about it some more. So, I think the only option of putting planets in #21 would be Tequ'ran/Torkan (a 2/0 planet and a 0/3 planet, really good system). But trading away that for Arnor/Lor, which isn't as good, seems like a net loss. Thoughts?

Hmm. Let's put it this way.
If IH puts the Supernova at 22 we are essentially fully seperated if I put an empty hex at #9.
In addition to no threat at #9 and by extension at #2 (if #22 is blocked by Supernova), #23 is also solidly yours. Granting a slightly better system to me than I do to you is then of no consequence and might even be prudent, if only to make sure Khell does not steamroll over me and eyes you next.

If we do border at 22/23, that opens up trade opportunities.
A 1:1 or 2:2 trade could benefit us both, I would be willing to make that 2:1 or 3:2 for up to 3 rounds to compensate. By then we're solidly in mid-game and the table could look entirely different.

If you don't fancy a Trade agreement but rather a planetary arrangement, then I could switch Nevant to #9 and the empty hex to #27.
In that case, I'd be happy for you to control Nevant at #9 - if it is DMZ'ed and you won't move on #8.
In both variants, the additional resources you receive more than make up for TT, imho.

It's Red tech seems not exactly your cup of tea, unless you want to go RRRY for the Armor and War Suns (in which case YY and your racial is still faster).

Yeah, IH suggesting dropping a supernova on #22 changes things quite a bit, though unfortunately we won't know for sure if he is doing that until after all our hexes are placed in that area.

Nevant on #9 and DMZ'd sounds like the best option to me - then neither of us have to spend command counters doing the trade secondary over and over just to uphold the exchange (though once we're neighbours we can absolutely still trade at whatever pace we find useful).

Good.

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So:

--Tequ'ran/Torkan in #21.
--Nevant in #9.
--Arnor-Lor in #10
--I drop infantry on Nevant, then move the ships out. Neither of us ever move/build additional ships there.
--8, 21 (and 22 if it turns out not be a supernova) are your side of the peaceful border, which I make no claims to or attempts upon. 2, 9 (planet only, nothing ever in space) and 23 are my side.

Does that sound right?

It does. We have a deal!

[Tapper]

Gnaw, on 11 July 2018 - 03:34 PM, said:

Tapper, on 11 July 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 11 July 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

I have a supernova to place, it either goes in 22 or 4. I'm not sure a wall of hard to pass through hexes around rex is a good idea. But equally don't want to screw over tapper in position C.

Do what you have to do. Supernova at 22 at the least makes sure there won't be one at 38 and makes sure D'rek doesn't come calling
Worst case scenario, I end up playing with myself researching tech and building infantry in my neck of the woods while play passes me by. I think as Sol, I could actually survive that and still have a decent-ish late game.

See, you should have went Muatt!

I would have in an instant if I had the Supernova and a place nearby to put it.
As it was, I still considered it when Tatts took Hacan.
However, I figured that then I would have to make a play for his Racial PN, which is a one-time grant (and would probably cost me the Muaat racial, 3-4 TG and a promise not to sell the Muaat PN to his neighbours, plus the CT the PN requires), which is too much for the opportunity to sell the PN 2 or three times.

[Tapper]

Khellendros, on 11 July 2018 - 03:23 PM, said:

Tapper, on 11 July 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 11 July 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

I have a supernova to place, it either goes in 22 or 4. I'm not sure a wall of hard to pass through hexes around rex is a good idea. But equally don't want to screw over tapper in position C.

Do what you have to do. Supernova at 22 at the least makes sure there won't be one at 38 and makes sure D'rek doesn't come calling
Worst case scenario, I end up playing with myself researching tech and building infantry in my neck of the woods while play passes me by. I think as Sol, I could actually survive that and still have a decent-ish late game.

I'm very interested to see how you play Sol. I didn't expect you to play Sardakk the way you did.

Don't expect miracles. A large part of the decision for Sol was the extra CT it has

[D'rek]

Tapper, on 11 July 2018 - 04:01 PM, said:

It does. We have a deal!

Fantastic!

All my hexes are finalized, then. I've submitted them all to Blend in case I'm not here at any point.

@Tatts - this means #3 won't have any planets so we need to argue about it

@Bliss - #1 and #3 already both won't have any planets, so that side of Mecatol Rex will already be pretty barren. If you were thinking of plopping your anomaly hex into #2, might I suggest saving it for #20 instead, to slightly slow down Khell's rampant expansion (or #17 to push Morgoth a bit more into contention with IH would be another option)?

[Galactic Council]

Alright, I've got about half the players' tile placements now!!! Hopefully we will have a full map soon!

[Galactic Council]

In fact, am only missing Lady Bliss's tile placements, and Khell's last four.

[Khellendros]

Galactic Council, on 11 July 2018 - 06:01 PM, said:

In fact, am only missing Lady Bliss's tile placements, and Khell's last four.

I'm all ready to put mine down whenever. Just have a choice over a couple of them depending on what else gets plopped down around me.

[Galactic Council]

Khellendros, on 11 July 2018 - 06:50 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 11 July 2018 - 06:01 PM, said:

In fact, am only missing Lady Bliss's tile placements, and Khell's last four.

I'm all ready to put mine down whenever. Just have a choice over a couple of them depending on what else gets plopped down around me.

If you send me some provisionals, I can try to make sure the map gets fully built once I get Bliss' tile placements!

I have a feeling some people are going to have to modify their orders because of the anomalies rule, but won't know until I have an idea of where everyone wants to put their tiles.

[Imperial Historian]

There is an anomalies rule?

[Morgoth]

Imperial Historian, on 11 July 2018 - 07:40 PM, said:

There is an anomalies rule?

They cant border each other

[D'rek]

Morgoth, on 11 July 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 11 July 2018 - 07:40 PM, said:

There is an anomalies rule?

They cant border each other

Unless there is no other possible choice remaining.

[Khellendros]

Galactic Council, on 11 July 2018 - 07:34 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 11 July 2018 - 06:50 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 11 July 2018 - 06:01 PM, said:

In fact, am only missing Lady Bliss's tile placements, and Khell's last four.

I'm all ready to put mine down whenever. Just have a choice over a couple of them depending on what else gets plopped down around me.

If you send me some provisionals, I can try to make sure the map gets fully built once I get Bliss' tile placements!

I have a feeling some people are going to have to modify their orders because of the anomalies rule, but won't know until I have an idea of where everyone wants to put their tiles.

If I do that will I be able to swap them round when I see the map? Because the thing I'm worried about is knowing if my decision might be different if I saw which tiles had been placed beforehand.

[Imperial Historian]

Do wormholes count as anomalies?

[Galactic Council]

Khellendros, on 11 July 2018 - 07:57 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 11 July 2018 - 07:34 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 11 July 2018 - 06:50 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 11 July 2018 - 06:01 PM, said:

In fact, am only missing Lady Bliss's tile placements, and Khell's last four.

I'm all ready to put mine down whenever. Just have a choice over a couple of them depending on what else gets plopped down around me.

If you send me some provisionals, I can try to make sure the map gets fully built once I get Bliss' tile placements!

I have a feeling some people are going to have to modify their orders because of the anomalies rule, but won't know until I have an idea of where everyone wants to put their tiles.

If I do that will I be able to swap them round when I see the map? Because the thing I'm worried about is knowing if my decision might be different if I saw which tiles had been placed beforehand.

I am thinking that once I have everyone's provisionals, I'll reveal them one round of tile placement at a time and give folks a chance to change their second+ rounds and so on.

[Galactic Council]

Imperial Historian, on 11 July 2018 - 07:59 PM, said:

Do wormholes count as anomalies?

No, anomalies are Supernovas, Gravity Rifts, Asteroid Fields and Nebulae.

[Imperial Historian]

Morgoth if I put the supernova on 4 is that going to be a problem for your placements?

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 11 July 2018 - 08:09 PM, said:

Morgoth if I put the supernova on 4 is that going to be a problem for your placements?

I have problems with it. *shrug*

[Morgoth]

IH, if you place a red system on four the only place I’ll be able to place my red system is right ahead of you