[Tattersail_]

Tapper, on 03 July 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

I have to play Politics, but I will pause the game a bit.


Gnaw, Morgoth: I'd like to know from Gnaw and Morgoth which of them picks up Politics if I make Gnaw (or Tatts) Speaker, per the original agreement: I've done my share of our second merry-go-round this round. If there is no agreement, I will look out for what's best imho.

IH: we haven't heard anything from Nico yet. That's unfortunate, because I want an assurance from him if we're to proceed. But if this was played around a real table, well.... let's say there's always someone who drank a little too much, too quickly and doesn't play at 100% capability and attention.

I cannot be Speaker T man, I am currently Speaker. I am good with whatever choice you make, if you think Gnaw/Morgoth cannot win next round then just go with them. I think Gnaw may be a good choice but ideally Nico would be best. Gnaw only wants me not to get Imperial, for some reason, but I have no plans on Rex. So how about I choose not to take Imperial, or technology? Would that work for you Gnaw? That'd mean Nico would be a safe choice, but he'd have to agree not to take either of those two things.

[Tattersail_]

So I am going to ask the question before it is asked later. Can Twelve destroy the Alastor with PDS fire before moving his ships in? He does have GLS but I am not sure whether Twelve gets to pick the targeted ship. Even Assault cannon may just wipe another ship. Essentially even if Twelve wins the battle, he'll have no ships remaining and Morgoth will have all of his ground forces. Ergo it is impossible for Twelve to take his HS back whilst the Alastor is in that system.

[Morgoth]

No, he can't destroy the Alastor with PDS fire.

[Morgoth]

Tapper, on 03 July 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

I have to play Politics, but I will pause the game a bit.


Gnaw, Morgoth: I'd like to know from Gnaw and Morgoth which of them picks up Politics if I make Gnaw (or Tatts) Speaker, per the original agreement: I've done my share of our second merry-go-round this round. If there is no agreement, I will look out for what's best imho.

IH: we haven't heard anything from Nico yet. That's unfortunate, because I want an assurance from him if we're to proceed. But if this was played around a real table, well.... let's say there's always someone who drank a little too much, too quickly and doesn't play at 100% capability and attention.

It's hard to say. Depending on the public objective drawn chances are high the game will end next round. If so I'll be wanting to take the strategy card most suitable to me. I think we should hold out on that discussion until the objective is revealed.

[Tattersail_]

Morgoth, on 03 July 2018 - 11:32 AM, said:

Tapper, on 03 July 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

I have to play Politics, but I will pause the game a bit.


Gnaw, Morgoth: I'd like to know from Gnaw and Morgoth which of them picks up Politics if I make Gnaw (or Tatts) Speaker, per the original agreement: I've done my share of our second merry-go-round this round. If there is no agreement, I will look out for what's best imho.

IH: we haven't heard anything from Nico yet. That's unfortunate, because I want an assurance from him if we're to proceed. But if this was played around a real table, well.... let's say there's always someone who drank a little too much, too quickly and doesn't play at 100% capability and attention.

It's hard to say. Depending on the public objective drawn chances are high the game will end next round. If so I'll be wanting to take the strategy card most suitable to me. I think we should hold out on that discussion until the objective is revealed.

He's asking now as its important to where he places the Speaker token.

[Morgoth]

ah! I don't know Tappsytaps, what is it you would want out of next round from Gnaw and I?

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 03 July 2018 - 11:15 AM, said:

So I am going to ask the question before it is asked later. Can Twelve destroy the Alastor with PDS fire before moving his ships in? He does have GLS but I am not sure whether Twelve gets to pick the targeted ship. Even Assault cannon may just wipe another ship. Essentially even if Twelve wins the battle, he'll have no ships remaining and Morgoth will have all of his ground forces. Ergo it is impossible for Twelve to take his HS back whilst the Alastor is in that system.

You've got the right idea that if the Alastor were destroyed before combat none of the ground forces would get to participate and the battle would be substantially easier, but PDS and Assault Cannon are both "your opponent assigns hits to their ships" effects, so Morgoth can just assign those hits to other ships and keep the Alastor alive.

Very dangerous if he goes up against your Dimensional Splicer or Tapper's Exotriremes, though, since those effects are the opposite.

[Blend]

Khellendros, on 03 July 2018 - 10:00 AM, said:

@ Blend:

I imagine you were intending to use Military Support on Mallice. But now that your invasion was unsuccessful, what do you want to do? If you're not using it on my go just now, I'm happy for our deal to just be called off, you give PB to someone else and return the PN to me.

Nah, it was meant to be used on Thibah so I wasn't leaving it completely undefended. Plan is to use it anyway.

[Blend]

Tapper, on 03 July 2018 - 04:03 AM, said:

"This is SNN, home of government approved truth. In reaction to the lies of Hacan emissaries and the subsequent invasion of Mallice, which has already been called a betrayal of the grandest kind and a ruthless abuse of our trust, we await the reaction of our High Leader."

"We now move to our White Mount correspondent, Jake Tappe'rr. Jake?"

"My sources tell me the High Leader Kim merely shrugged."

"She merely shrugged?"

"I can also quote The Oracle Kanye, who referred to it as "no biggie.""

"What are we to deduce from this?"

"The irrelevance of the Hacan Military in the eyes of our leaders, mostly."

Hey, fuck you buddy!

And to be honest, I very much kept my end of the deal. I did not take Lodor as promised!

[Tapper]

Blend, on 03 July 2018 - 02:04 PM, said:

Tapper, on 03 July 2018 - 04:03 AM, said:

"This is SNN, home of government approved truth. In reaction to the lies of Hacan emissaries and the subsequent invasion of Mallice, which has already been called a betrayal of the grandest kind and a ruthless abuse of our trust, we await the reaction of our High Leader."

"We now move to our White Mount correspondent, Jake Tappe'rr. Jake?"

"My sources tell me the High Leader Kim merely shrugged."

"She merely shrugged?"

"I can also quote The Oracle Kanye, who referred to it as "no biggie.""

"What are we to deduce from this?"

"The irrelevance of the Hacan Military in the eyes of our leaders, mostly."

Hey, fuck you buddy!

And to be honest, I very much kept my end of the deal. I did not take Lodor as promised!

Well, I did mention that I couldn't see where else you'd go, and you specifically suggested Arnor/Lor. Then again, I did more or less the same regarding Lodor earlier on. It really is no big deal .

[Tapper]

Morgoth, on 03 July 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

ah! I don't know Tappsytaps, what is it you would want out of next round from Gnaw and I?

Neither of you winning next round would be nice.

@ Tatts: Nico seems the best choice on paper, yes, but I am not sure the game actually holds much of his attention anymore.

[Tattersail_]

Tapper, on 03 July 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 03 July 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

ah! I don't know Tappsytaps, what is it you would want out of next round from Gnaw and I?

Neither of you winning next round would be nice.

@ Tatts: Nico seems the best choice on paper, yes, but I am not sure the game actually holds much of his attention anymore.

I know it's quite annoying really. Just to have him come on and read the thread, or ask us and respond to main points. Maybe D'rek could answer for him?

[Blend]

Tapper, on 03 July 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

Blend, on 03 July 2018 - 02:04 PM, said:

Tapper, on 03 July 2018 - 04:03 AM, said:

"This is SNN, home of government approved truth. In reaction to the lies of Hacan emissaries and the subsequent invasion of Mallice, which has already been called a betrayal of the grandest kind and a ruthless abuse of our trust, we await the reaction of our High Leader."

"We now move to our White Mount correspondent, Jake Tappe'rr. Jake?"

"My sources tell me the High Leader Kim merely shrugged."

"She merely shrugged?"

"I can also quote The Oracle Kanye, who referred to it as "no biggie.""

"What are we to deduce from this?"

"The irrelevance of the Hacan Military in the eyes of our leaders, mostly."

Hey, fuck you buddy!

And to be honest, I very much kept my end of the deal. I did not take Lodor as promised!

Well, I did mention that I couldn't see where else you'd go, and you specifically suggested Arnor/Lor. Then again, I did more or less the same regarding Lodor earlier on. It really is no big deal .

Bah - I didn't expect your PDS to be able to fire on my infantry as they were unloaded - I never noticed that happening before, so I was pretty confident I was going into that ground battle with 1 more infantry than you. Not that it would have helped considering my abysmal rolls.

[Imperial Historian]

Tapper, on 03 July 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

I have to play Politics, but I will pause the game a bit.


Gnaw, Morgoth: I'd like to know from Gnaw and Morgoth which of them picks up Politics if I make Gnaw (or Tatts) Speaker, per the original agreement: I've done my share of our second merry-go-round this round. If there is no agreement, I will look out for what's best imho.

IH: we haven't heard anything from Nico yet. That's unfortunate, because I want an assurance from him if we're to proceed. But if this was played around a real table, well.... let's say there's always someone who drank a little too much, too quickly and doesn't play at 100% capability and attention.

What are you looking for Tapper? And how can we get it to work without Nico in the mix. There seems to be a strong camp against me taking imperial and or politics which is the same for well most players. I'm willing to make a deal to try and stop anyone winning next turn and am willing to pay what you want within reason, but if I'm paying for the speaker token I want a decent card ie leadership, imperial or politics.

[D'rek]

I'll give Twelve a bit of time to show up and decide if he wants to retreat or not before resolving the asteroid field battle.

[Imperial Historian]

I have my take one of my action card PN, ceasefire, some trade goods and my support for the throne of Nico if attacks me/is eliminated available as potential trade elements and I'm willing to not take certain cards if you want but if Nico isn't responding not sure what else you want to do. Obviously requires some element of agreement with gnaw and tatts as well. I'd rather gnaw and morgoth didn't win, but I'm not going to tank my own chances of winning.

[Tapper]

Imperial Historian, on 03 July 2018 - 02:42 PM, said:

I have my take one of my action card PN, ceasefire, some trade goods and my support for the throne of Nico if attacks me/is eliminated available as potential trade elements and I'm willing to not take certain cards if you want but if Nico isn't responding not sure what else you want to do. Obviously requires some element of agreement with gnaw and tatts as well. I'd rather gnaw and morgoth didn't win, but I'm not going to tank my own chances of winning.

I have no issue with you taking the Strategy you like and I don't need added incentives on top of what we agreed pages back: that agreement was good for all involved imho, it just requires the Mentak to consent and participate. I am not going through with this without Nico's participation. It's annoying and I'm pretty sure we would have sealed a deal otherwise already.

For me, if Nico's pirating through the Beta wormhole I stand very little chance of fulfilling the Establish Trade Routes VC, which is one of two scoring options left on the table for me and the one I prefer to cross off this round. Sure, next round I can cash in on Blend's PN, but I prefer to have the versatility of that one in the backpocket. On top of that, the Strategy card(s) I want might not make it past him either because he doesn't participate, or doesn't pay attention.

[Imperial Historian]

Tapper, on 03 July 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 03 July 2018 - 02:42 PM, said:

I have my take one of my action card PN, ceasefire, some trade goods and my support for the throne of Nico if attacks me/is eliminated available as potential trade elements and I'm willing to not take certain cards if you want but if Nico isn't responding not sure what else you want to do. Obviously requires some element of agreement with gnaw and tatts as well. I'd rather gnaw and morgoth didn't win, but I'm not going to tank my own chances of winning.

I have no issue with you taking the Strategy you like and I don't need added incentives on top of what we agreed pages back: that agreement was good for all involved imho, it just requires the Mentak to consent and participate. I am not going through with this without Nico's participation. It's annoying and I'm pretty sure we would have sealed a deal otherwise already.

For me, if Nico's pirating through the Beta wormhole I stand very little chance of fulfilling the Establish Trade Routes VC, which is one of two scoring options left on the table for me and the one I prefer to cross off this round. Sure, next round I can cash in on Blend's PN, but I prefer to have the versatility of that one in the backpocket. On top of that, the Strategy card(s) I want might not make it past him either because he doesn't participate, or doesn't pay attention.

So if Nico was removed from the beta wormhole? I could potentially do that on my next turn.

[Nicodimas]

Tattersail_, on 03 July 2018 - 02:13 PM, said:

Tapper, on 03 July 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

Morgoth, on 03 July 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

ah! I don't know Tappsytaps, what is it you would want out of next round from Gnaw and I?

Neither of you winning next round would be nice.

@ Tatts: Nico seems the best choice on paper, yes, but I am not sure the game actually holds much of his attention anymore.

I know it's quite annoying really. Just to have him come on and read the thread, or ask us and respond to main points. Maybe D'rek could answer for him?

I’m around

[Imperial Historian]

Nico

Proposed deal is to pay tapper for the speaker token and keep imperial and politics from gnaw, morgoth and twelve.

You'd have to agree to not loot trades associated with this deal and take a certain action card.

Is this ok with you?

I think tatts wants you to take imperial.