[Tapper]

Imperial Historian, on 28 June 2018 - 08:48 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 28 June 2018 - 08:22 AM, said:

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 06:00 AM, said:

Sorry Gnaw. This was purely a stalling move to see if someone would take Rex and I can make you Speaker, which would be the preferred option for both of us (and worth that 1 infantry).
I am also pretty sure we then would not let Imperial fall to Morgoth, either.

Great idea, give Morgoth third pick of strategy cards and a guaranteed low initiative choice. We should probably just end the game straight after you do that.

If it helps I'm happy to say that I won't take imperial/politics (or whichever other card you desire if you push the speaker token back round). Blend Tatts Nico Gnaw would you join in on this? Think it is in everyone's best interest for morgoth, twelve and khell to be as low a pick as possible in order to stop them winning next turn and giving us all a chance the following turn.

Finally, someone who is willing to suggest public initiative

[Imperial Historian]

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 09:20 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 28 June 2018 - 08:22 AM, said:

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 06:00 AM, said:

Sorry Gnaw. This was purely a stalling move to see if someone would take Rex and I can make you Speaker, which would be the preferred option for both of us (and worth that 1 infantry).
I am also pretty sure we then would not let Imperial fall to Morgoth, either.

Great idea, give Morgoth third pick of strategy cards and a guaranteed low initiative choice. We should probably just end the game straight after you do that.

Because of course, Captain Fatalism.

I hear a lot of what I should do and why. I hear very little how breaking a stable, game-long pact with both my neighbours is going to benefit me.
My extremely slim chances of victory only exist if I do score 3+ points. To do so, I need scoring opportunities - not just for public objectives, but also for secret ones - and those are very much fueled by strategy selection.

So what do you want? I'm sure between us we can come up with some sort of offer.

[Tattersail_]

Tapper do you want Nevant? I'll not contest you for that if you are thinking about moving the speaker token round. Maybe you'd be looking for other tech planets?

[Khellendros]

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 09:20 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 28 June 2018 - 08:22 AM, said:

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 06:00 AM, said:

Sorry Gnaw. This was purely a stalling move to see if someone would take Rex and I can make you Speaker, which would be the preferred option for both of us (and worth that 1 infantry).
I am also pretty sure we then would not let Imperial fall to Morgoth, either.

Great idea, give Morgoth third pick of strategy cards and a guaranteed low initiative choice. We should probably just end the game straight after you do that.

Because of course, Captain Fatalism.

I hear a lot of what I should do and why. I hear very little how breaking a stable, game-long pact with both my neighbours is going to benefit me.
My extremely slim chances of victory only exist if I do score 3+ points. To do so, I need scoring opportunities - not just for public objectives, but also for secret ones - and those are very much fueled by strategy selection.

It's going to benefit you because the game won't end. That's a pretty good benefit.

[Tapper]

Imperial Historian, on 28 June 2018 - 09:23 AM, said:

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 09:20 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 28 June 2018 - 08:22 AM, said:

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 06:00 AM, said:

Sorry Gnaw. This was purely a stalling move to see if someone would take Rex and I can make you Speaker, which would be the preferred option for both of us (and worth that 1 infantry).
I am also pretty sure we then would not let Imperial fall to Morgoth, either.

Great idea, give Morgoth third pick of strategy cards and a guaranteed low initiative choice. We should probably just end the game straight after you do that.

Because of course, Captain Fatalism.

I hear a lot of what I should do and why. I hear very little how breaking a stable, game-long pact with both my neighbours is going to benefit me.
My extremely slim chances of victory only exist if I do score 3+ points. To do so, I need scoring opportunities - not just for public objectives, but also for secret ones - and those are very much fueled by strategy selection.

So what do you want? I'm sure between us we can come up with some sort of offer.

If Gnaw's on board, the price will be lower than if he's not (in which case, you might need Blend on board to meet it).

The minimum would be a strategy card of my choice (essentially, the benefit i'd get by making myself speaker now) in addition to 3 TG (after pillaging/with no pillaging involved) and a free commodities refresh.
If no-one plans to pick Trade, then another 3 TG (net value, after Mentak piracy) to pay for the CT required for refreshing it.

[Tapper]

Khellendros, on 28 June 2018 - 09:33 AM, said:

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 09:20 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 28 June 2018 - 08:22 AM, said:

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 06:00 AM, said:

Sorry Gnaw. This was purely a stalling move to see if someone would take Rex and I can make you Speaker, which would be the preferred option for both of us (and worth that 1 infantry).
I am also pretty sure we then would not let Imperial fall to Morgoth, either.

Great idea, give Morgoth third pick of strategy cards and a guaranteed low initiative choice. We should probably just end the game straight after you do that.

Because of course, Captain Fatalism.

I hear a lot of what I should do and why. I hear very little how breaking a stable, game-long pact with both my neighbours is going to benefit me.
My extremely slim chances of victory only exist if I do score 3+ points. To do so, I need scoring opportunities - not just for public objectives, but also for secret ones - and those are very much fueled by strategy selection.

It's going to benefit you because the game won't end. That's a pretty good benefit.

Only if my ranking improves compared to where it is now.

[Imperial Historian]

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 09:37 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 28 June 2018 - 09:23 AM, said:

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 09:20 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 28 June 2018 - 08:22 AM, said:

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 06:00 AM, said:

Sorry Gnaw. This was purely a stalling move to see if someone would take Rex and I can make you Speaker, which would be the preferred option for both of us (and worth that 1 infantry).
I am also pretty sure we then would not let Imperial fall to Morgoth, either.

Great idea, give Morgoth third pick of strategy cards and a guaranteed low initiative choice. We should probably just end the game straight after you do that.

Because of course, Captain Fatalism.

I hear a lot of what I should do and why. I hear very little how breaking a stable, game-long pact with both my neighbours is going to benefit me.
My extremely slim chances of victory only exist if I do score 3+ points. To do so, I need scoring opportunities - not just for public objectives, but also for secret ones - and those are very much fueled by strategy selection.

So what do you want? I'm sure between us we can come up with some sort of offer.

If Gnaw's on board, the price will be lower than if he's not (in which case, you might need Blend on board to meet it).

The minimum would be a strategy card of my choice (essentially, the benefit i'd get by making myself speaker now) in addition to 3 TG (after pillaging/with no pillaging involved) and a free commodities refresh.
If no-one plans to pick Trade, then another 3 TG (net value, after Mentak piracy) to pay for the CT required for refreshing it.

I'd be in for this. Blend you are the best broker I think for this sort of deal so I'd be happy for you to take first pick. Tapper which card do you want? Gnaw how about you retain rex but don't pick the imperial card? Nico, tatts?

Also have people considered the possibilities of extending the game through the second agenda? It pretty much exhausts all planets which would make it difficult for morgoth who has the most planets to rebuild his fleet and score objectives. In any case it's an option if a resource based objective comes up.

[Khellendros]

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 09:37 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 28 June 2018 - 09:23 AM, said:

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 09:20 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 28 June 2018 - 08:22 AM, said:

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 06:00 AM, said:

Sorry Gnaw. This was purely a stalling move to see if someone would take Rex and I can make you Speaker, which would be the preferred option for both of us (and worth that 1 infantry).
I am also pretty sure we then would not let Imperial fall to Morgoth, either.

Great idea, give Morgoth third pick of strategy cards and a guaranteed low initiative choice. We should probably just end the game straight after you do that.

Because of course, Captain Fatalism.

I hear a lot of what I should do and why. I hear very little how breaking a stable, game-long pact with both my neighbours is going to benefit me.
My extremely slim chances of victory only exist if I do score 3+ points. To do so, I need scoring opportunities - not just for public objectives, but also for secret ones - and those are very much fueled by strategy selection.

So what do you want? I'm sure between us we can come up with some sort of offer.

If Gnaw's on board, the price will be lower than if he's not (in which case, you might need Blend on board to meet it).

The minimum would be a strategy card of my choice (essentially, the benefit i'd get by making myself speaker now) in addition to 3 TG (after pillaging/with no pillaging involved) and a free commodities refresh.
If no-one plans to pick Trade, then another 3 TG (net value, after Mentak piracy) to pay for the CT required for refreshing it.

Which leaves, as far as I understand it, Nico or Tatts to take Imperial, if IH is true to his word and doesn't take it. Nico or Tatts then need to take the card pointless to them, plus pay you for the pleasure, so that Gnaw or Morgoth don't get it

[Khellendros]

Unfortunately, I don't have anything I can offer you Tapper to do what I believe to be the sensible thing long-term. Morgoth has been a wily pain for me longer than for any of the rest of you, I know he's already plotting how to get around this dealing

I guess I can offer you all of my PNs - Military Support, Political Secret, Ceasefire

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 28 June 2018 - 09:47 AM, said:

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 09:37 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 28 June 2018 - 09:23 AM, said:

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 09:20 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 28 June 2018 - 08:22 AM, said:

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 06:00 AM, said:

Sorry Gnaw. This was purely a stalling move to see if someone would take Rex and I can make you Speaker, which would be the preferred option for both of us (and worth that 1 infantry).
I am also pretty sure we then would not let Imperial fall to Morgoth, either.

Great idea, give Morgoth third pick of strategy cards and a guaranteed low initiative choice. We should probably just end the game straight after you do that.

Because of course, Captain Fatalism.

I hear a lot of what I should do and why. I hear very little how breaking a stable, game-long pact with both my neighbours is going to benefit me.
My extremely slim chances of victory only exist if I do score 3+ points. To do so, I need scoring opportunities - not just for public objectives, but also for secret ones - and those are very much fueled by strategy selection.

So what do you want? I'm sure between us we can come up with some sort of offer.

If Gnaw's on board, the price will be lower than if he's not (in which case, you might need Blend on board to meet it).

The minimum would be a strategy card of my choice (essentially, the benefit i'd get by making myself speaker now) in addition to 3 TG (after pillaging/with no pillaging involved) and a free commodities refresh.
If no-one plans to pick Trade, then another 3 TG (net value, after Mentak piracy) to pay for the CT required for refreshing it.

Which leaves, as far as I understand it, Nico or Tatts to take Imperial, if IH is true to his word and doesn't take it. Nico or Tatts then need to take the card pointless to them, plus pay you for the pleasure, so that Gnaw or Morgoth don't get it

I don't want imperial as it's initiative is so low, but I will take it if its part of the deal.

[Khellendros]

Trade when I get it back from Nico too I guess

[Morgoth]

well aren't you a bunch of plotting bees buzzing about the thread I am quite charmed by your insistence that I will win next round. It's theoretically possible I suppose, if I am very lucky with the public objective and my secret one, but I doubt it.

[Tapper]

I have a preference for Technology.

[Morgoth]

I wouldn't mind Imperial myself.

[Tattersail_]

Morgoth, on 28 June 2018 - 10:18 AM, said:

I wouldn't mind Imperial myself.

Of course you would, that's why the discussion is going on

[Tattersail_]

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 10:15 AM, said:

I have a preference for Technology.

Would it be starting at IH or Blend? I think whoever gets first pick should pay the initial 3TG's, then whoever gets trade can make sure you get the free refresh, and Nico should promise to not pillage you for a round.

edit, if no one picks up trade then if it starts at Blend, IH, myself and Nico pay you 1Tg each, or if it starts at IH then Nico will pay you 1 and I'd pay you 2.

This post has been edited by Tattersail_: 28 June 2018 - 10:21 AM

[Khellendros]

Morgoth, on 28 June 2018 - 10:18 AM, said:

I wouldn't mind Imperial myself.

They might as well let you take it

[Morgoth]

Tattersail_, on 28 June 2018 - 10:18 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 28 June 2018 - 10:18 AM, said:

I wouldn't mind Imperial myself.

Of course you would, that's why the discussion is going on

Oh, is that's what's going on?

[Morgoth]

Khellendros, on 28 June 2018 - 10:22 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 28 June 2018 - 10:18 AM, said:

I wouldn't mind Imperial myself.

They might as well let you take it

Really, they should all accept my victory and surrender now. Imagine how much quicker we could start a new game that way!

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 28 June 2018 - 10:20 AM, said:

Tapper, on 28 June 2018 - 10:15 AM, said:

I have a preference for Technology.

Would it be starting at IH or Blend? I think whoever gets first pick should pay the initial 3TG's, then whoever gets trade can make sure you get the free refresh, and Nico should promise to not pillage you for a round.

edit, if no one picks up trade then if it starts at Blend, IH, myself and Nico pay you 1Tg each, or if it starts at IH then Nico will pay you 1 and I'd pay you 2.

I think the details are for all of you to hash out, Tatts .
Right now, IH asked a question, I gave an answer and right now, we wait for everyone to chip in with their opinion (Blend, IH, Nico, you, Gnaw - perhaps even Twelve) to see if it can/should become reality.
With regards to the TG: the easiest is probably to arrange the payment during the Agenda phase as we're not tied to borders, but that means I can't use the TG this round - which I would like to do.