[Eldat Pressen]

More obviously, only town would think you were the finder. Scum would know Tennes was town ergo you not finder. That means they would not target you and increase their odds of hitting a finder with the kill.

[Eldat Pressen]

There's 3 scum. Tennes was making a lot of sense yesterday. His train needed input from everyone rather than keep hashing out the Aranatha/Jalan situation. Without you making that case we'd have lynched Jalan/aranatha. They both could be scum. Skintick could be a patsy.

Still deciding whether to gamble on one of them or vote you.

[Eldat Pressen]

Finder if you are there. Go through each day. Day one you were not certain on anything.

Day 2 you know so so is innocent.

Day 3 you know so so is innocent.

Day 4 you know someone is innocent.

Cause right now Aranatha is trying those vibes like they're the finder and they know im innocent.

[Path-Shaper]

A reminder that reveals are strictly forbidden.

[Eldat Pressen]

Fuck is the point of having one in the first place

[Path-Shaper]

There are ways to relay information without outright revealing it.

[Eldat Pressen]

Path-Shaper, on 01 November 2017 - 06:46 PM, said:

A reminder that reveals are strictly forbidden.

Would that be a reveal? Because kalse fake revealing, hinting at being the finder is kind of shitty and more ammo for scum to win.

I hope the finder has grilled you to see how they can get their point across.

[Eldat Pressen]

Aranatha, on 01 November 2017 - 05:07 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 01 November 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 01 November 2017 - 05:00 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 01 November 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 01 November 2017 - 04:16 PM, said:

Aranatha, Kalse and Skintick are scum, Nim or Ay disagree?

C'mon Eldat

I'm curiously unsuspecting of you, no?

I also said I was gonna keep my eye on Kalse, remember?

Emotion won't sway me here, Jalan has better logic.

Nothing to do with emotion, try using your own logic isntead god damn you

Look how clean he fucking is

Save for that rapid attitude change on D2 though, but yeah, that's pretty much it

Aranatha, on 26 October 2017 - 07:26 PM, said:

Damn I missed him

Jalan said the D1 train will be interesting to look at and that he'll look up Merrid and Tennes because of their position on train

Jalan, on 25 October 2017 - 02:14 AM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 24 October 2017 - 08:23 PM, said:

You'd think with three scum a lynch of scum would be alot more difficult which is another reason I favour my vote. Most people have shown inclination to vote Dejim.

That depends. Throwing him under the bus as distancing. The train will certainly be interesting to look at, as well as those who haven't voted. Tennes and Merrid made the train the likely lynch, I'll look them up when I get on a computer.

Then without ever acknowledging the train or Merrid(he only mentioned Merrid when responding to Kalse's pairings) with Tennes on thread again he votes for me based on this? I find the sudden change in attitude scummy, like he saw I was getting heat so he went for the easy opening.

Jalan, on 26 October 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen started it.

Eldat Pressen, on 25 October 2017 - 07:14 AM, said:

Anyone read The Broken Empire trilogies? If not, I definitely recommend. I enjoyed the first trilogy but this second one is even better. Red Queen's War, The Liar's Key, excellent.

Teamwork here guys?

Currently good on a EP or an Aranatha vote. I will not be here for timeout. Off work today and pub soon so I should check in later but will probably be only to vote if needed as I mash drunken chubby fingers madly against the phone.

Jalan, on 26 October 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 26 October 2017 - 04:46 PM, said:

Finally, combine that with his Broken Empire talk, focusing on the second trilogy, who's primary p.o.v. character is none other than Prince Jalan Kendeth. So many things from Aradatha end of D1, just don't line up right in my eyes.

Also, I'm really hoping this makes sense. I've had to pull several surprise 12hr graveyard shifts over the last three nights and have netted 12hours of sleep combined in the last 96 hours.

Wait, what the fuck? No way would town be fake symping. Also, never read any of the series so totally passed me by. Who started talking about the books? Till I look,

Vote Aranatha

And you thought Eldat's and Merrid's cases made no sense...

Look Aras at it now. There needs to be a fucking counter otherwise.

Put it this way. Arra is stating he's found me and kalse to be innocent. Now I know this is partly true but he's not stating differently. He's only voting Jalan because he's linked to Jalan. Not that he's found scum.

Think this through. 3 nights and its Kalse and I conveniently found.

So speak up.

[Eldat Pressen]

Ara pull up quotes that show what actions you may have or may not have planned on taking

[Aranatha]

Aranatha, on 01 November 2017 - 03:10 PM, said:

I really think that Jalan is scum

[Aranatha]

Aranatha, on 01 November 2017 - 10:52 AM, said:

Kalse wanted to save us for DDay so here we are, time to deal with it, really don't think we should lynch elsewhere.

Vote Jalan

[Eldat Pressen]

Any instances of where you didn't Find someone scummy

[Aranatha]

Aranatha, on 24 October 2017 - 07:18 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 24 October 2017 - 08:23 AM, said:

I saw the game started last night, and people talking about the game instead of dragonsex, you boring fuckers

Jalan/Thyr/Tennes comment on PS's wording and start on role speculation.

Dejim calls them out, but also posits that there may be some sort of signalling going on, which I do not see why that would be the case.

Path-Shaper clears up the mechanic speculation.

Kalse in turn is suspicious of those talking mechanics.

Jalan, on 23 October 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

Dejim reads the OP and doesn't have any questions about why the '?' is there. That to me looks like you have a scum PM therefore didn't even realise why there might be an issue.
Vote Dejim Nebrahl

To be fair, I did not have questions either. I glanced at it and thought three killers, healer and finder, okay. *nodded head

Dejim makes his point again on role speculation, then returns the vote for Jalan. The downside to this vote is having the signalling part of it, I don't see why there'd be signalling. I'd see the vote for role speculation.

Skintick also agrees about signalling being pointless here.

Now here is the reason I am going to vote.

Ay Estos, on 23 October 2017 - 10:41 PM, said:

Dejim is either intentionally acting as an idiot or is as dense as Jupiter's core.

What the fuck does he mean, 'no scum role speculation'? So if it's not clear how many kills are in game,we shouldn't discuss when we're going to expect D-day?

Jalan and Dejim are indeed butting heads so this looks to me like a chainsaw defense.

Quote

Chainsaw Defense The general form of this tell is "a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum".

He doesn't only attack Dejim but he also wants to start talk on mechanics speculation again (how many kills in a game?), I am going off one per night unless we see something different, to start speculation on that when we have no evidence to the contrary is scummy in itself.




Vote Ay Estos

That's an interesting amount of effort on a D1 case

Written as clearly as possible so nobody can misunderstand or misrepresent what you're saying

A reasoning that is none of the D1 cliches provides interesting alternative to the obvious choice of voting the one outstanding guy who recklessly posted some bs

Too clean?

Anyway Ay's post seems completely sensible to me in the context, plus it doesn't appear like Jalan needed to be defended, unless you're thinking fake-symping

And the post doesn't prompt any further spec about kills as far as I can see(you wanted comments)

Never followed up on this

[Aranatha]

Aranatha, on 26 October 2017 - 07:57 PM, said:

Kalse, on 26 October 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

Ah, I see, in the middle of the book.

Distancing. I anticipate this is going to be a whole new level of fuck over with 3 tripleted, lover style scum (can't we just call it what it is, menage trios). There is extra reserve, so throwing one to the lynch is no big deal. Which means if someone actually hits scum, it is not because they are town. It is just that they can be more cavalier in lynching one of their own.

That is why I said distancing. Makes sense to create 3 different personas at different extremes to both sow confusion and make it hard to develop any evidence in connections. So, this game, what I have been looking for is people who seem to be trying too hard to make their differences and antagonism known. One of those pairs is probably scum in my humble opinion.

Kalse took his time with posting some proper thoughts, was he saving them only to post them when someone called him out so he could coast for as long as possible? (I know how y'all like those questions )

Also never followed up on this which was posted at the end of D2

[Aranatha]

Aranatha, on 28 October 2017 - 12:19 PM, said:

Kalse, on 27 October 2017 - 06:25 PM, said:

Osseric, on 26 October 2017 - 09:30 PM, said:

Jalan, on 25 October 2017 - 06:32 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 25 October 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

I do wonder if the lynch of Dejim, the lack of other options and the kill of Thyr was protection of Jalan or Tennes but based off the votes and the train I still want to vote Ay Estos. Vote Ay EstosKalse, why did you think that Dejim's vote on Jalan was distancing?Does anyone find value in scum not wanting to lynch Dejim? ie why Aranatha did what they did? If Osseric was not around then the lynch would have failed.What are people's thoughts on the reasoning for Dejim's votes? ie those who voted for the signalling comments compared to those who voted for his not questioning the question mark.

I'm not sure why I or anyone else would need protecting from a Mac OMGUS vote.I'm still not sure what your issue with Ay is.I think my reasoning was pretty good for D1. It looked like a slip, very early in game. Of course it was wrong but hindsight is all well and good. Also can you imaging going into endgame with that hanging over him? He further compounded the mistake with the signalling which on an "obvious setup" shouldn't have been there.Value to scum not wanting to lynch him is obviously because if he then went to endgame he'd be a pretty easy case to drive through.If you're positing that Aranatha messed up spelling because they're scum then why aren't you voting for them?I've had a shit days sleep and have started early on the coffee as a result, don't expect too much in the way of coherence from me till later in the Day.

found itVote Jalan

Osseric, on 26 October 2017 - 10:36 PM, said:

AH the rock smells what your cooking. I just reread the vote count. my voting Janal right after you, to take him to L-2 helps you out, but to apperar that it doesn't, you cast doubt on my integrity. Okay I will play balremove votevote aranathaNow it's all even and we can leave it up to the night bears.

Ng, not all that clear. Firstly, Jalan hit l-2 first for about an hour. No nibbles, no one put him at l-1. So then Aranatha hits the same threshold. Again nothing. So this is what I am not sure of. If both Jalan and Aranatha are inno, why didn't scum jump on the chance to nix them. Conversely, if they are both scum, does the lack of lynch equal protection. It is odd behavior, and i am assuming that part of the reason no one put down the 5th vote was not wanting to come under suspicion, at least not before it was beneficial.

We had vote stalling on two people. That is very odd don't you think?

I mostly agree with your assesment of Tennes's end of D2 play and knowing I'm inno this is pretty much why I think that both Tennes and Jalan are scum. Tennes's play was scummy in itself. Saying you suspect x and then vote y is a shitty distancing from x, but I think he partly did it to justify waiting with his vote, which in turn he wanted to do because he didn't want to be seen as trying to drive a lynch. If he voted me straight of the bat and I was lynched, the next day everyone would look at the lynch and noticed there was influence that changed it from Jalan to me and he'd be among the driving force of it. This way he could also still vote for Jalan and take the distancing further than mere voicing of suspicions if the tide turned.
If Jalan was innocent, Tennes would have voted way earlier, because if he then was seen as driving force it wouldn't matter because the person he'd be allegedly defending wasn't scum.

Kalse's similar views assured me in my suspicion of Tennes

[Aranatha]

Please note my lack of hesitation in voting Jalan

[Ay Estos]

Aranatha, on 01 November 2017 - 07:16 PM, said:

Please note my lack of hesitation in voting Jalan

Fuck it, somebody's gotta trust somebody. Not doing anything isn't an option and there's no firm reason why you should be lynched over Jalan.

Vote Jalan

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 8 hours and 3 minutes remaining

7 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eldat Pressen, Jalan, Kalse, Nimander Golit, Skintick

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Jalan ( Aranatha, Ay Estos )
1 Vote for Aranatha ( Jalan )

Players not voted: Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Nimander Golit, Skintick

[Eldat Pressen]

Need Nims opinion now. If he doesn't counter then I'll follow.

[Kalse]

vote jalan