[Aranatha]

Merrid, on 30 October 2017 - 11:24 PM, said:

For example, is the Jalan being a character from the much-discussed Broken Empire a setup, or an unfortunate coincidence?

I think Jalan Kendath is just a hound of light in disguise

[Nimander Golit]

All in all, I haven't seen anything today that persuades me to change my vote from where I was leaning at the start of the day. Tennes. The EOD play from yesterday muddied up the waters and set up a WIFOM-storm of epic proportions. I feel like we're just going to get tied up into a four-way split tomorrow unless we lynch Tennes, Aranatha, Jalan, or Skintick today. Skintick is a late play with little time left on the clock, that case should be looked at more carefully tomorrow. Aranatha and Jalan are exactly where they've been for two days now.

I'm going to be very disappointed at this point if Ay is scum with how little we've seen of him.

Vote Tennes

[Nimander Golit]

Merrid, on 30 October 2017 - 11:02 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 26 October 2017 - 11:44 PM, said:

Kalse, on 26 October 2017 - 11:28 PM, said:

And NG just tossing down a vote and leaving.

Nah, I'm still around. I gave my reasons for an Aranatha vote earlier. Additionally, I think that Jalan has been on the receiving end of a ton of questionable looking defence that would be realty ballsy for scum to pull in the open. If I'm wrong on Aranatha, I'll put the first vote on Jalan tomorrow myself.

Heh, just noticed that Nimander expected to be alive the next day

I expect to be alive the next day until I'm not, don't you?

[Merrid]

Nimander Golit, on 30 October 2017 - 11:38 PM, said:

Merrid, on 30 October 2017 - 11:02 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 26 October 2017 - 11:44 PM, said:

Kalse, on 26 October 2017 - 11:28 PM, said:

And NG just tossing down a vote and leaving.

Nah, I'm still around. I gave my reasons for an Aranatha vote earlier. Additionally, I think that Jalan has been on the receiving end of a ton of questionable looking defence that would be realty ballsy for scum to pull in the open. If I'm wrong on Aranatha, I'll put the first vote on Jalan tomorrow myself.

Heh, just noticed that Nimander expected to be alive the next day

I expect to be alive the next day until I'm not, don't you?

I expect that every day I'm such a threat to scum that they have no choice but to kill me off.

...Doesn't always work out that way.

[Merrid]

Ugh, I really feel like we're being railroaded onto Tennes. Indeed, whether Tennes turns up inno or scum leads us back to the same destination: namely, if inno, was their lynch a diversion from lynching Jalan or Aranatha, or; if scum, were they then connected to Jalan or Aranatha?

[Nimander Golit]

Merrid, on 30 October 2017 - 11:54 PM, said:

Ugh, I really feel like we're being railroaded onto Tennes. Indeed, whether Tennes turns up inno or scum leads us back to the same destination: namely, if inno, was their lynch a diversion from lynching Jalan or Aranatha, or; if scum, were they then connected to Jalan or Aranatha?

I don't see that we can get enough votes to lynch Aranatha today at this point though, and you even said that you think Jalan has been playing town but it's the muddy votes and defense of those around him that makes him stand out.

Look, if the train swings towards Jalan today, I'll be around to support the lynch because I don't want another no-lynch day. Tennes is my preferred lynch though.

[Merrid]

You're right in that I've likely left it too late today to push for an Aranatha lynch. That is a bad mistake by me, should have just placed a vote at the beginning of the day and watched what happened.

I will however

Vote Aranatha

anyway, because ultimately that is the lynch which could have been jumped on but wasn't. Yes, Jalan was at L-2 at one point, but in fact it was a pretty brief amount of time. I will be around a while longer, and I also should be around just before end of day in case a vote is needed elsewhere. I would rather a wrong lynch then no lynch.

[Kalse]

Merrid, on 30 October 2017 - 11:54 PM, said:

Ugh, I really feel like we're being railroaded onto Tennes. Indeed, whether Tennes turns up inno or scum leads us back to the same destination: namely, if inno, was their lynch a diversion from lynching Jalan or Aranatha, or; if scum, were they then connected to Jalan or Aranatha?

Kind of missing the point No? We are trying to lynch scum. And how will Jalan or Aranatha help in finding other scum?

[Merrid]

What somewhat undoes my sticking with Aranatha, however, is the fact that the difficulty today is not arising from attempting to get a lynch on them or Jalan, but rather Jalan or Tennes. In that, I suppose the common denominator is Jalan, and yet I really have not read them as scum. I'm more inclined to go for Tennes of the two, even though I think they have defended their end of day play pretty well.

[Tennes]

Pages 3-4.. collection of meaningless "look at me hiding in plain sight" posts from Skintick on day 2.

Skintick, on 25 October 2017 - 06:53 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 25 October 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

I do wonder if the lynch of Dejim, the lack of other options and the kill of Thyr was protection of Jalan or Tennes but based off the votes and the train I still want to vote Ay Estos.



Vote Ay Estos






Kalse, why did you think that Dejim's vote on Jalan was distancing?

Does anyone find value in scum not wanting to lynch Dejim? ie why Aranatha did what they did? If Osseric was not around then the lynch would have failed.

What are people's thoughts on the reasoning for Dejim's votes? ie those who voted for the signalling comments compared to those who voted for his not questioning the question mark.

Is your reasoning on Ay based just on his dday comment?

Skintick, on 25 October 2017 - 11:18 PM, said:

Merrid, on 25 October 2017 - 09:43 PM, said:

Vote Aranatha

As that's what I wanted to do by the end of day 1. I'm going to bed now but will go into more specifics tomorrow (not that it's an especially detailed case or anything). Briefly, Aranatha's two posts near the end of the day (in reply to Eldat and Tennes) really jumped out at me as scum-like. Seemingly sensible but utterly non-commital, urging caution with regard to Dejim but not suggesting alternatives (indeed, also being sceptical of the Ay Estos vote). Throwing the lightest shade at Eldat, which ends with a question ("Too clean?") thrown out to others rather than concluding with their own opinion on it.

Uh, actually, I think that pretty much says all I wanted to say on that, no further explication necessary. To summarise the summary, Aranatha is scum.

Ok, I just reread Aranatha's posts. Why did you want to vote Aranatha BEFORE his vote "slip"? I didn't see anything else that stood out for me.

Skintick, on 25 October 2017 - 11:21 PM, said:

At this point, neither Eldat's or Merrid's cases are making any sense to me, which in turn is making them both look scummy.

Skintick, on 26 October 2017 - 03:17 AM, said:

Ay Estos, on 26 October 2017 - 03:12 AM, said:

Skintick, on 25 October 2017 - 11:21 PM, said:

At this point, neither Eldat's or Merrid's cases are making any sense to me, which in turn is making them both look scummy.

I agree that their cases don't make sense, but I don't think they're scummy because of it. It's just that they're trying to do something useful with very little info to go on. An admirable sentiment all things considered.

Then do you have any better ideas?

Skintick, on 26 October 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

OK, I am up early, For the life of me I don't see your reasoning Merrid. Please enlighten a stupid person, because your quotes don't.

Skintick, on 26 October 2017 - 04:30 PM, said:

Ok I went back to bed. Thank god other people are posting, otherwise this would be a boring conversation.

Merrid, you still don't make any sense to me. Glad to see Kalse has joined the game, but where are these pairs coming from? I'd like some more info on this one.

The people at Starbucks are disturbingly chipper.

Off to the pool, back in a few hours.

Day times out 7:30, someone said. My alarm goes off about an hour before then, if I'm any kind of coherent tomorrow morning, I'll try to be on.

[Merrid]

Kalse, on 31 October 2017 - 12:22 AM, said:

Merrid, on 30 October 2017 - 11:54 PM, said:

Ugh, I really feel like we're being railroaded onto Tennes. Indeed, whether Tennes turns up inno or scum leads us back to the same destination: namely, if inno, was their lynch a diversion from lynching Jalan or Aranatha, or; if scum, were they then connected to Jalan or Aranatha?

Kind of missing the point No? We are trying to lynch scum. And how will Jalan or Aranatha help in finding other scum?

Why is it missing the point? If at the end of it it means going back to J or A, then who not just focus on those two to begin with?

[Merrid]

Merrid, on 31 October 2017 - 12:23 AM, said:

What somewhat undoes my sticking with Aranatha, however, is the fact that the difficulty today is not arising from attempting to get a lynch on them or Jalan, but rather Jalan or Tennes. In that, I suppose the common denominator is Jalan, and yet I really have not read them as scum. I'm more inclined to go for Tennes of the two, even though I think they have defended their end of day play pretty well.

To spin this thought another way, it's interesting how discussion has been moved off of Aranatha to a large extent. Ara themselves was a big early mover in the push toward Tennes as a lynch candidate.

[Kalse]

Merrid, on 31 October 2017 - 12:26 AM, said:

Kalse, on 31 October 2017 - 12:22 AM, said:

Merrid, on 30 October 2017 - 11:54 PM, said:

Ugh, I really feel like we're being railroaded onto Tennes. Indeed, whether Tennes turns up inno or scum leads us back to the same destination: namely, if inno, was their lynch a diversion from lynching Jalan or Aranatha, or; if scum, were they then connected to Jalan or Aranatha?

Kind of missing the point No? We are trying to lynch scum. And how will Jalan or Aranatha help in finding other scum?

Why is it missing the point? If at the end of it it means going back to J or A, then who not just focus on those two to begin with?

Um. Tomorrow is dday without a scum down. We haven't hit scum yet. And unless you believe both J and A are scum, that is a 50-50 chance, right?

[Merrid]

The way I currently see it is this: Unless there is serious distancing going on (possible!), then if Tennes turns up scum, Ara is probably town. However, that suggests that Jalan is scum, as the other 'stalled' train', but the defending between Tennes and Jalan has been so overt that I have a hard time believing two of the three scum would link themselves so closely.

Ergo, I am hesitant to see Tennes as scum, at least specifically in the context of Ara or Jalan being a partner to them.

[Jalan]

Merrid, on 30 October 2017 - 11:54 PM, said:

Ugh, I really feel like we're being railroaded onto Tennes. Indeed, whether Tennes turns up inno or scum leads us back to the same destination: namely, if inno, was their lynch a diversion from lynching Jalan or Aranatha, or; if scum, were they then connected to Jalan or Aranatha?

This. I've posted my thoughts on Tennis earlier.

Remove Vote

Vote Aranatha

[Jalan]

Also my phone internet is being supremely elusive, don't want to change but will for a lynch.

[Kalse]

I do love it how we circle the drain on today. Now it is 3 on Tennes, 2 on Aranatha and 2 on Jalan. So, we do know a few things. First, there are 3 scum. Second, they all can communicate. Third, losing one of them means the other two still can talk. Fourth, if we ever manage a lynch, and lynch scum, you can be sure someone will use it as proof of innocence (kind of like you are doing with the trio of T, J and A).

Look, if Aranatha or Jalan is lynched and comes up inno, we have nothing and one last shot to get it right. Right now, scum have the advantage and i am unsurprised that we are both seeing continual vote flux and a drive to introduce new suspects. Trust me, I am watching all this with great interest.

But i am sticking to Tennes. There has been support from EP without commitment and a shitton of equivocating and vote jumping. Tennes has been squirming incessantly under this pressure which would be odd if he was town (RI would be resigned and roled would be a little more cautious in their extrication simce scum would jump at the thought of hitting a healer or finder). And really, all scum had to lose today is one of their 3. They fucking have 2 more. So if they can stall the lynch, throw everything into qurstiom, etc they will.

[Tennes]

remove vote

vote Aranatha

he fits well with my read of Skintick. Not sure who would be number 3 with that set-up, there's a few possible candidates.

[Nimander Golit]

Alright, I found him worthy of a vote yesterday, he's worthy today.

Remove vote
Vote Aranatha

[Jalan]

Woah was that a speed lynch attempt?

In case not majority,

Remove Vote

Lots of time left yet, what's the hurry you two?