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Mafia 144.5 - Unalted M&P Game Thread

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 04:45 PM

I should be available up to timeout.

I'm curious if we'll finally see a vote from Kruppe on d-day.
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And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 04:49 PM

I see you watching, Ando. Talk to us!
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 05:09 PM

View PostKhellendros, on 12 July 2017 - 12:24 PM, said:

I'm around and will be checking the thread off and on. I'd like to see what others have to say before chipping in again, as I've outlined my current position already.

Ment - why have you coasted through the game?

Ando - why do I only seem to notice you pop up to question other people's votes? - A

Nom - looking forward to those insights.

Mac - would like to see something from you too, considering I feel you're most towny.

Tatts - hope this is all building up to something.

Kruppe - you're the actual worst. B


A. Because votes are important?

B. Kruppe has received too little attention. He has been very jumpy and prickly whenever anyone has accused him.
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 05:18 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 07 July 2017 - 01:48 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 11 hours and 17 minutes since time out

11 Players still alive: Andorion, ItWasNom, Khellendros, Kruppe of Darujhistan, Lady Bliss, Macros, Mentalist, Messremb, Siergiej, Tattersail, Vengeance

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Kruppe of Darujhistan ( Vengeance )
6 Votes for Vengeance ( Messremb, ItWasNom, Andorion, Tattersail, Mentalist, Lady Bliss )
2 Votes for Messremb ( Khellendros, Macros )
1 Vote for Tattersail ( Siergiej )

Players not voted: Kruppe of Darujhistan


Vengeance has been lynched. He was the Guard.



View PostKhellendros, on 11 July 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

6 Votes for Vengeance ( Messremb, ItWasNom, Andorion, Tattersail, Mentalist, Lady Bliss )


Two scum at least in this list (of players alive, only Mac, Kruppe, and myself are off the train. For reasons I outlined earlier, of those - me being one of them, Mac the other - I think only Kruppe could still really be scum).



View PostPath-Shaper, on 11 July 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 4 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Andorion, ItWasNom, Khellendros, Kruppe of Darujhistan, Lady Bliss, Macros, Mentalist, Messremb, Tattersail

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

5 Votes for Messremb ( Macros, Khellendros, Mentalist, Tattersail, Lady Bliss )
1 Vote for Macros ( Messremb )

Players not voted: Andorion, ItWasNom, Kruppe of Darujhistan


Messremb has been lynched. He was a Roleless Innocent.


Just pointing out something.

Khell did a lot of analysis, very lengthy and complicated posts, and I frankly admit I did not understand them.

But he concluded quite firmly that the killer/killers were on Venge's Lynch train. If this was true, it is not a stretch to think that they would also be on Mess' lynch train.

If we compare the two , we get two common names - Tatts and Ment. (LB was RI)

Now the validity of Khell's theory can definitely be called into question, however what interests me is that Khell, the architect of the theory is not pointing out these two common names. He was pretty sure both killers were on Venge's train, so by his reasoning, he has excellent grounds for going after Tatts and Ment.

Instead he votes Nom.

Why?
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 05:19 PM

Either Khell is scum and he has been misleading the thread with his long posts,

or,

he is right and Tatts/Ment or both (unlikely) are killers.
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 05:20 PM

View PostAndorion, on 12 July 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 07 July 2017 - 01:48 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 11 hours and 17 minutes since time out

11 Players still alive: Andorion, ItWasNom, Khellendros, Kruppe of Darujhistan, Lady Bliss, Macros, Mentalist, Messremb, Siergiej, Tattersail, Vengeance

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Kruppe of Darujhistan ( Vengeance )
6 Votes for Vengeance ( Messremb, ItWasNom, Andorion, Tattersail, Mentalist, Lady Bliss )
2 Votes for Messremb ( Khellendros, Macros )
1 Vote for Tattersail ( Siergiej )

Players not voted: Kruppe of Darujhistan


Vengeance has been lynched. He was the Guard.



View PostKhellendros, on 11 July 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

6 Votes for Vengeance ( Messremb, ItWasNom, Andorion, Tattersail, Mentalist, Lady Bliss )


Two scum at least in this list (of players alive, only Mac, Kruppe, and myself are off the train. For reasons I outlined earlier, of those - me being one of them, Mac the other - I think only Kruppe could still really be scum).



View PostPath-Shaper, on 11 July 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 4 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Andorion, ItWasNom, Khellendros, Kruppe of Darujhistan, Lady Bliss, Macros, Mentalist, Messremb, Tattersail

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

5 Votes for Messremb ( Macros, Khellendros, Mentalist, Tattersail, Lady Bliss )
1 Vote for Macros ( Messremb )

Players not voted: Andorion, ItWasNom, Kruppe of Darujhistan


Messremb has been lynched. He was a Roleless Innocent.


Just pointing out something.

Khell did a lot of analysis, very lengthy and complicated posts, and I frankly admit I did not understand them.

But he concluded quite firmly that the killer/killers were on Venge's Lynch train. If this was true, it is not a stretch to think that they would also be on Mess' lynch train.

If we compare the two , we get two common names - Tatts and Ment. (LB was RI)

Now the validity of Khell's theory can definitely be called into question, however what interests me is that Khell, the architect of the theory is not pointing out these two common names. He was pretty sure both killers were on Venge's train, so by his reasoning, he has excellent grounds for going after Tatts and Ment.

Instead he votes Nom.

Why?




You mean Nom who tried to vote for Mess but was just too late behind LB?
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 05:20 PM

I have not been able to give any time to the game, so I might be missing something, but this stuck out at me.

Rather than gonig into a hasty lynch for D-Day, I would like some opinions on this.
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 05:22 PM

View PostKhellendros, on 12 July 2017 - 05:20 PM, said:

View PostAndorion, on 12 July 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 07 July 2017 - 01:48 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 11 hours and 17 minutes since time out

11 Players still alive: Andorion, ItWasNom, Khellendros, Kruppe of Darujhistan, Lady Bliss, Macros, Mentalist, Messremb, Siergiej, Tattersail, Vengeance

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Kruppe of Darujhistan ( Vengeance )
6 Votes for Vengeance ( Messremb, ItWasNom, Andorion, Tattersail, Mentalist, Lady Bliss )
2 Votes for Messremb ( Khellendros, Macros )
1 Vote for Tattersail ( Siergiej )

Players not voted: Kruppe of Darujhistan


Vengeance has been lynched. He was the Guard.



View PostKhellendros, on 11 July 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

6 Votes for Vengeance ( Messremb, ItWasNom, Andorion, Tattersail, Mentalist, Lady Bliss )


Two scum at least in this list (of players alive, only Mac, Kruppe, and myself are off the train. For reasons I outlined earlier, of those - me being one of them, Mac the other - I think only Kruppe could still really be scum).



View PostPath-Shaper, on 11 July 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 4 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Andorion, ItWasNom, Khellendros, Kruppe of Darujhistan, Lady Bliss, Macros, Mentalist, Messremb, Tattersail

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

5 Votes for Messremb ( Macros, Khellendros, Mentalist, Tattersail, Lady Bliss )
1 Vote for Macros ( Messremb )

Players not voted: Andorion, ItWasNom, Kruppe of Darujhistan


Messremb has been lynched. He was a Roleless Innocent.


Just pointing out something.

Khell did a lot of analysis, very lengthy and complicated posts, and I frankly admit I did not understand them.

But he concluded quite firmly that the killer/killers were on Venge's Lynch train. If this was true, it is not a stretch to think that they would also be on Mess' lynch train.

If we compare the two , we get two common names - Tatts and Ment. (LB was RI)

Now the validity of Khell's theory can definitely be called into question, however what interests me is that Khell, the architect of the theory is not pointing out these two common names. He was pretty sure both killers were on Venge's train, so by his reasoning, he has excellent grounds for going after Tatts and Ment.

Instead he votes Nom.

Why?




You mean Nom who tried to vote for Mess but was just too late behind LB?


Read your own post. You said BOTH killers were on the Venge train.

Even if I accept your reasoning, and Nom was too late, that means Tatts/Ment are scum.

Why haven't you mentioned this at all?
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 05:24 PM

View PostKhellendros, on 12 July 2017 - 05:20 PM, said:

View PostAndorion, on 12 July 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 07 July 2017 - 01:48 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 11 hours and 17 minutes since time out

11 Players still alive: Andorion, ItWasNom, Khellendros, Kruppe of Darujhistan, Lady Bliss, Macros, Mentalist, Messremb, Siergiej, Tattersail, Vengeance

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Kruppe of Darujhistan ( Vengeance )
6 Votes for Vengeance ( Messremb, ItWasNom, Andorion, Tattersail, Mentalist, Lady Bliss )
2 Votes for Messremb ( Khellendros, Macros )
1 Vote for Tattersail ( Siergiej )

Players not voted: Kruppe of Darujhistan


Vengeance has been lynched. He was the Guard.



View PostKhellendros, on 11 July 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

6 Votes for Vengeance ( Messremb, ItWasNom, Andorion, Tattersail, Mentalist, Lady Bliss )


Two scum at least in this list (of players alive, only Mac, Kruppe, and myself are off the train. For reasons I outlined earlier, of those - me being one of them, Mac the other - I think only Kruppe could still really be scum).



View PostPath-Shaper, on 11 July 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 4 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Andorion, ItWasNom, Khellendros, Kruppe of Darujhistan, Lady Bliss, Macros, Mentalist, Messremb, Tattersail

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

5 Votes for Messremb ( Macros, Khellendros, Mentalist, Tattersail, Lady Bliss )
1 Vote for Macros ( Messremb )

Players not voted: Andorion, ItWasNom, Kruppe of Darujhistan


Messremb has been lynched. He was a Roleless Innocent.


Just pointing out something.

Khell did a lot of analysis, very lengthy and complicated posts, and I frankly admit I did not understand them.

But he concluded quite firmly that the killer/killers were on Venge's Lynch train. If this was true, it is not a stretch to think that they would also be on Mess' lynch train.

If we compare the two , we get two common names - Tatts and Ment. (LB was RI)

Now the validity of Khell's theory can definitely be called into question, however what interests me is that Khell, the architect of the theory is not pointing out these two common names. He was pretty sure both killers were on Venge's train, so by his reasoning, he has excellent grounds for going after Tatts and Ment.

Instead he votes Nom.

Why?




You mean Nom who tried to vote for Mess but was just too late behind LB?


You'll note that I pointed out the same thing about tatts and Nom. Nom and tatts voted Mac, then bot switched to Venge (in the same order).

Day 2 tatts eventually voted mess, and Nom followed a few seconds behind Bliss' hammer vote.
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And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 05:25 PM

View PostAndorion, on 12 July 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

View PostKhellendros, on 12 July 2017 - 05:20 PM, said:

View PostAndorion, on 12 July 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 07 July 2017 - 01:48 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 11 hours and 17 minutes since time out

11 Players still alive: Andorion, ItWasNom, Khellendros, Kruppe of Darujhistan, Lady Bliss, Macros, Mentalist, Messremb, Siergiej, Tattersail, Vengeance

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Kruppe of Darujhistan ( Vengeance )
6 Votes for Vengeance ( Messremb, ItWasNom, Andorion, Tattersail, Mentalist, Lady Bliss )
2 Votes for Messremb ( Khellendros, Macros )
1 Vote for Tattersail ( Siergiej )

Players not voted: Kruppe of Darujhistan


Vengeance has been lynched. He was the Guard.



View PostKhellendros, on 11 July 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

6 Votes for Vengeance ( Messremb, ItWasNom, Andorion, Tattersail, Mentalist, Lady Bliss )


Two scum at least in this list (of players alive, only Mac, Kruppe, and myself are off the train. For reasons I outlined earlier, of those - me being one of them, Mac the other - I think only Kruppe could still really be scum).



View PostPath-Shaper, on 11 July 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 4 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Andorion, ItWasNom, Khellendros, Kruppe of Darujhistan, Lady Bliss, Macros, Mentalist, Messremb, Tattersail

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

5 Votes for Messremb ( Macros, Khellendros, Mentalist, Tattersail, Lady Bliss )
1 Vote for Macros ( Messremb )

Players not voted: Andorion, ItWasNom, Kruppe of Darujhistan


Messremb has been lynched. He was a Roleless Innocent.


Just pointing out something.

Khell did a lot of analysis, very lengthy and complicated posts, and I frankly admit I did not understand them.

But he concluded quite firmly that the killer/killers were on Venge's Lynch train. If this was true, it is not a stretch to think that they would also be on Mess' lynch train.

If we compare the two , we get two common names - Tatts and Ment. (LB was RI)

Now the validity of Khell's theory can definitely be called into question, however what interests me is that Khell, the architect of the theory is not pointing out these two common names. He was pretty sure both killers were on Venge's train, so by his reasoning, he has excellent grounds for going after Tatts and Ment.

Instead he votes Nom.

Why?




You mean Nom who tried to vote for Mess but was just too late behind LB?


Read your own post. You said BOTH killers were on the Venge train.

Even if I accept your reasoning, and Nom was too late, that means Tatts/Ment are scum.

Why haven't you mentioned this at all?


Why do you say I haven't mentioned it? I've said my top three today are Nom, Ment, and you (Tatts fourth). Nom happens to have the most viable connections.

Tatts, Ment, or yourself, as you were also on the Venge train, no?
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 05:25 PM

View PostAndorion, on 12 July 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

View PostKhellendros, on 12 July 2017 - 05:20 PM, said:

View PostAndorion, on 12 July 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 07 July 2017 - 01:48 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 11 hours and 17 minutes since time out

11 Players still alive: Andorion, ItWasNom, Khellendros, Kruppe of Darujhistan, Lady Bliss, Macros, Mentalist, Messremb, Siergiej, Tattersail, Vengeance

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Kruppe of Darujhistan ( Vengeance )
6 Votes for Vengeance ( Messremb, ItWasNom, Andorion, Tattersail, Mentalist, Lady Bliss )
2 Votes for Messremb ( Khellendros, Macros )
1 Vote for Tattersail ( Siergiej )

Players not voted: Kruppe of Darujhistan


Vengeance has been lynched. He was the Guard.



View PostKhellendros, on 11 July 2017 - 01:36 PM, said:

6 Votes for Vengeance ( Messremb, ItWasNom, Andorion, Tattersail, Mentalist, Lady Bliss )


Two scum at least in this list (of players alive, only Mac, Kruppe, and myself are off the train. For reasons I outlined earlier, of those - me being one of them, Mac the other - I think only Kruppe could still really be scum).



View PostPath-Shaper, on 11 July 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 4 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Andorion, ItWasNom, Khellendros, Kruppe of Darujhistan, Lady Bliss, Macros, Mentalist, Messremb, Tattersail

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

5 Votes for Messremb ( Macros, Khellendros, Mentalist, Tattersail, Lady Bliss )
1 Vote for Macros ( Messremb )

Players not voted: Andorion, ItWasNom, Kruppe of Darujhistan


Messremb has been lynched. He was a Roleless Innocent.


Just pointing out something.

Khell did a lot of analysis, very lengthy and complicated posts, and I frankly admit I did not understand them.

But he concluded quite firmly that the killer/killers were on Venge's Lynch train. If this was true, it is not a stretch to think that they would also be on Mess' lynch train.

If we compare the two , we get two common names - Tatts and Ment. (LB was RI)

Now the validity of Khell's theory can definitely be called into question, however what interests me is that Khell, the architect of the theory is not pointing out these two common names. He was pretty sure both killers were on Venge's train, so by his reasoning, he has excellent grounds for going after Tatts and Ment.

Instead he votes Nom.

Why?




You mean Nom who tried to vote for Mess but was just too late behind LB?


Read your own post. You said BOTH killers were on the Venge train.

Even if I accept your reasoning, and Nom was too late, that means Tatts/Ment are scum.

Why haven't you mentioned this at all?


Um, no his reasoning was the one on, one off theory. He was quite explicit about that.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 05:26 PM

I'll also note that Tatts went further up in my thoughts for scum with his analysis today and what it said to me, which is why I voted for Nom after he'd finished.
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 05:27 PM

View PostMentalist, on 12 July 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:


Um, no his reasoning was the one on, one off theory. He was quite explicit about that.



At the beginning of day 2, yeah. Once I'd done my posts towards the end of the day and concluded that Mac was unlikely to be scum, I was swayed to both killers being on Venge's train (discounting Kruppe).
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 05:32 PM

I am on father duty so just glancing at the thread until about 8. Then badminton
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 05:35 PM

And I'm off for dinner.
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 05:42 PM

ok.

here.

I'll be available for the next few hours, but not here for time out as it will be like 4/5am? with me.


Would still like Khell to remove that vote while we seem to have bodies on thread.
we will have to thrash this out in the next 2/3 hours though I'd say to catch the players here before they leave for the day.

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 05:58 PM

Mmmm. OK.

I accept Khell's refutation.

Nom could be scum.
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Posted 12 July 2017 - 06:10 PM

Has everyone except Kruppe checked in after Khell's vote?

Assuming the symp is still alive, either Khell or Kruppe should be scum. Then there's the possibility of symp not seeing both of his masters online whenever he was on, currently there are only 3 players looking at thread.

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Posted 12 July 2017 - 06:30 PM

View PostItwęs Nom, on 12 July 2017 - 06:10 PM, said:

Has everyone except Kruppe checked in after Khell's vote?

Assuming the symp is still alive, either Khell or Kruppe should be scum. Then there's the possibility of symp not seeing both of his masters online whenever he was on, currently there are only 3 players looking at thread.

Edit: hi to has



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Posted 12 July 2017 - 06:46 PM

I don't like the idea that Kruppe might be scum and can fucking skate by contributing nothing, but we can't afford to low poster hunt just for low poster ness at this juncture.

I don't like Khells pushy nature on D-Day, I recall the saying, scum vote early on D-Day.
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