[Merrid]

Rashan, on 11 May 2017 - 10:58 PM, said:

In MS parlance, I believe finder = cop

It took hunting down their glossary to get me right on the Cop - I figured from the name it was a Guard.

[Merrid]

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 10:48 PM, said:

You're just mad that I know your not the BG and have ammo should you choose to say otherwise.

Nim, I highly doubt you have ammunition.

*We* as town all have an enviable situation because then there is potential for a counter-claim. That'd be goo... uuuhhhhhh.... oh yeah there's the flaw Nim. So you demand a Bodyguard reveal. Someone obliges. If we haven't got the symp then someone else counter-claims. Or maybe the symp claims first and the actual counters. Now we have a pool of 2 suspects. We lynch one, 5 left. Killer takes another out, 4. If we lynch the wrong claimant then that's game over. You're saying we force a 50/50 choice where we have no say in the participants as opposed to using our brains and looking at thread and playing the game to find scum. No wonder the Bodyguard hasn't revealed yet.

[Merrid]

FFS I've only commented on the things that caught my eye on the last page. Can I ask for no lynch and no Night voting please so we run over the weekend - that'll give me Monday next week to put time into a proper read up. I'd like to hear more from Rashan in the meantime.

[Kilava]

Merrid, on 12 May 2017 - 07:33 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 10:48 PM, said:

You're just mad that I know your not the BG and have ammo should you choose to say otherwise.

Nim, I highly doubt you have ammunition.

*We* as town all have an enviable situation because then there is potential for a counter-claim. That'd be goo... uuuhhhhhh.... oh yeah there's the flaw Nim. So you demand a Bodyguard reveal. Someone obliges. If we haven't got the symp then someone else counter-claims. Or maybe the symp claims first and the actual counters. Now we have a pool of 2 suspects. We lynch one, 5 left. Killer takes another out, 4. If we lynch the wrong claimant then that's game over. You're saying we force a 50/50 choice where we have no say in the participants as opposed to using our brains and looking at thread and playing the game to find scum. No wonder the Bodyguard hasn't revealed yet.

Nim and Rashan's suggestion is that we don't lynch. We go to night after the reveal(s), killer offs someone, and then work from that pool. If two reveal Nim won't know which to heal, but it doesn't matter so much as the killer is unlikely to target either one (and thus leave the other as either exposed scum or definite BG).

[Kilava]

Yeah, reading through again I'm once more less inclined to go for Merrid. This is a pickle!

[Kilava]

Continuing to read through, I'm now leaning towards Ampelas. I'll try to build up why later, but in one sense it's less them and more because it simply seems more plausible than Rashan or Merrid (or Galain) based on how they have played.

For it to be Rashan or Merrid that would have to be some pretty early thinking to divide against their partner. It's certainly not unknown (I've done it for one), but what I'm thinking stops it here is the threat of the BG. At the start of the game it would have seemed extremely difficult for a single killer to win if they had to play most of the game on their own, because you could end up killing yourself with each choice. You'd want that two-killer protective cushion in case of the BG. So I don't see them resolving to sacrifice their partner so easily.

[Kilava]

Ampelas, on 11 May 2017 - 08:10 PM, said:

Rash, any objections?

Heh, why do you always want to know what Rashan thinks before (not) voting?

[Kilava]

Ampelas and Silchas have some cases of distancing (Ampelas early signalling suggestion between Denul and SR, but subsequently dropped in favour of me), Silchas calling Ampelas the most 'tryhard' of Amp, Galain, and Rashan, but it's nowhere near as extreme as the distancing would be between, say, Silchas and Rashan.

[Nimander Golit]

Merrid, on 12 May 2017 - 06:32 AM, said:

On that point you can be sure I'm not scum because if I had a kill I'd have either killed him or been killed by the Bodyguard as I tried to kill him. I'm sure it is mutual too.

Not really, and idk why you'd think that.

I think your little spitefest is adorable.

[Nimander Golit]

Merrid, on 12 May 2017 - 07:09 AM, said:

You need to find a new ASCII/ANSI characters because I rated you up from PI to VPI to CI so far this game.

I'm not even referring to myself.

I know why I'm not being targeted. I'm the obvious BG protect.

Just like you're the obvious healer protect considering I've been claiming you since d1.

Rashan/Kilava both still being alive, though? There's scum between those two hiding behind the other.

[Nimander Golit]

I think it's safe to say at this point that the BG not claiming when I've had a heals hard-on all game for Merrid pretty much confirms them as the BG because anyone else would have claimed it by now if they were BG to pry my heals off them and set me straight.

Just look at the numbers. BG has up to a 50% chance of dying tonight based on random chance alone (6 alive, killer won't target themselves, me, or Merrid; leaves 3 to choose from, 2 if the killer has identified the symp!)... unless I'm protecting them.

There's no way a non-Merrid BG wouldn't have claimed already, and I'll insta-vote anyone else that dares to try now.

[Rashan]

Try me, then.

I've decided to wait until everyone spoke up on the idea first. Oh, and I just woke up.

[Kilava]

Nimander Golit, on 12 May 2017 - 11:25 AM, said:

I think it's safe to say at this point that the BG not claiming when I've had a heals hard-on all game for Merrid pretty much confirms them as the BG because anyone else would have claimed it by now if they were BG to pry my heals off them and set me straight.

Just look at the numbers. BG has up to a 50% chance of dying tonight based on random chance alone (6 alive, killer won't target themselves, me, or Merrid; leaves 3 to choose from, 2 if the killer has identified the symp!)... unless I'm protecting them.

There's no way a non-Merrid BG wouldn't have claimed already, and I'll insta-vote anyone else that dares to try now.

lol.

[Ampelas]

Merrid, on 12 May 2017 - 07:39 AM, said:

FFS I've only commented on the things that caught my eye on the last page. Can I ask for no lynch and no Night voting please so we run over the weekend - that'll give me Monday next week to put time into a proper read up. I'd like to hear more from Rashan in the meantime.

That is not a bad idea.

Remove vote

Have some time to answer your queries right now, so will get right to it.

[Ampelas]

Galain, on 12 May 2017 - 06:00 AM, said:

Ampelas that looks scummy trying to discredit the healer.

If the real healer decided to not counter Nim then he would have been leaving us with a CI scum.

No one will want to lynch Nim from then on.

It would look scummy if I voted for the healer, yes. Right now, I am just considering every person left. And frankly, the "healer" has not had any luck proving themselves given the NK every night. Also, as everyone can see, the BG is not going to reveal, so I think it is worthwhile to consider all possibilities, however remote or unlikely.

[Ampelas]

Merrid, on 12 May 2017 - 07:00 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 12 May 2017 - 03:16 AM, said:

Kilava holds a funny place of either seeing the light and jumping on before looking like he was helping lynch SR or genuinely joining the train seeing SR as scum.

Tell me about this funny place because I don't get whatever you mean.

So it depends on how the 4th person on a 6th person train is interpreted. SR was probably doomed once the 3rd vote sat down on him, especially without any other remarkably compelling cases available. I mean, voting on someone for smooth play is definitely a harder pill to swallow (as I know from experience making this case time and time again, and seeing it proven right in several cases).

So, as scum, Kilava could jump on as the 4th and try to obtain a secure town status as the one who pushed the lynch train over the edge. As town, Kilava could have joined the train simply as the most convincing day 1 case and most probable chance to hit scum. But we cannot tell which is the case, which is why it is a "funny" or strange place to be. I guess why I say it is strange is because it is such a small game and being 4 of 6 is a lot different than 7 of 12, 8 of 14, etc.

Does that cover it?

Ampelas, on 12 May 2017 - 03:16 AM, said:

We are sticking with WCS and assuming the Symp is still alive and well, which means most likely there is a 2/3 chance of hitting scum among us, even if there is a 2/3 chance of having an RI CF.

I'd like to think Denul was the symp but WCS and all. So we'd lose one of Amp, Galain, Kilava or Rashan (I'm counting me out since Nim indicated he's healed me before so I may be a little too good a chance to be healed again.) I'll speculate it'd be Rashan because they've been sensible and pretty stand-up so far so they're who I'd kill. Leaving us with exactly the same quandary tomorrow; Amp, Galain, Kilava. Or Nim gets lucky with a Heal and we have the same 6 of us hanging around again.

In context, with the quoted line above, I was discussing the chances of hitting (lynching not NKing) the killer among the three most likely people left alive (myself, Galain and Kilava).

Ampelas, on 12 May 2017 - 03:16 AM, said:

Now, outside of the box, let us consider that scum figured SR fucked up and/or got frightened by the possibility of a healer/BG duo. If there is some reason that SR could be voted for by the first 3 to the advantage of scum, that ballsy play may be the edge to win by. Nim started the vote on SR, commenting on how SR seemed to want to lynch a healer. Rashan backed this up and added his own, calling the move "daft." Nim then dodged over to Galain before returning to SR. And finally Merrid made the train leave the station.

Nim bouncing around makes me think his stance on SR was not that intentional or strong. Moreover, I still think there is a very very remote possibility he is not who he says he is.

Rashan was very firmly and intentionally after SR, but could that be a cold decision to make him into what he has become: one of the best reasoners on thread with a rock solid alibi.

Finally Merrid, who tussled with Nim all early day 1, is making a move that damns SR, but not for sure. Again, could this be a calculated distancing move? I remember Merrid kind of melting into the background towards the end.

It's quite clear SR realised they messed up, this is pointless speculation.

After all this I'm not seeing how you end up voting Kilava. Rashan seems to be the read that stands out to you for potential cold play, why no vote there?

The logic behind voting Kilava was taking the 3 most likely to be scum (myself, Galain, and Kilava) and asking which of the 3 is playing like a killer imitating town.

Galain displayed more symp-ish traits and stood out waaaaaay too much in defending SR (and we would have to go with the less likely and more mind stretching conclusion that he was a ballsy killer for him to be our vote choice)

Kilava, on the otherhand, has played relatively agreeably. Yes he argued day 1, but that was more over dynamics than over voting for one player or another (and don't worry Kilava. I am going to look at Day 2 in just a bit).

Why not vote for Rashan? As I said, a case on him is thinking outside the box, and I would have to stretch really hard to convince myself he was scum. I mainly wanted to make sure I considered everyone that is left, hence putting out reasons why anyone could be scum, even if using pure rational probability, our killer has to be in the suspicious three.

@NIM: With symp CF'ing as RI it is usual here to play to absolute WCS; 1 killer, 1 symp. You made some comment about symp CFs I think so just making sure you understand

[Ampelas]

Kilava, on 12 May 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 11 May 2017 - 08:10 PM, said:

Rash, any objections?

Heh, why do you always want to know what Rashan thinks before (not) voting?

The first time, it was because Rash said he would comment on my case when he got home. This second instance you quote is because I saw Rash pop on while I was asking the thread in general if I should hammer (look in context). I was just going to hammer, but then someone new came on, and that was Rash.

[Ampelas]

Rashan, on 12 May 2017 - 11:39 AM, said:

Try me, then.

I've decided to wait until everyone spoke up on the idea first. Oh, and I just woke up.

Who are you talking to, and what does "Try me" mean? Lynch you? Heal you? etc?

[Rashan]

I'm responding to Nim's emphatic "Merrid is BG and I'll insta-vote anyone who says otherwise!" post directly above the one you are quoting.

Since, y'know, I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!!! bodyguard.

Edited, b/c quote needs exclamation marks

This post has been edited by Rashan: 12 May 2017 - 01:06 PM

[Galain]

Rashan, on 12 May 2017 - 01:04 PM, said:

I'm responding to Nim's emphatic "Merrid is BG and I'll insta-vote anyone who says otherwise!" post directly above the one you are quoting.

Since, y'know, I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!!! bodyguard.

Edited, b/c quote needs exclamation marks

There you go. See what Nim has to say about this now.

For me, it is between Amp and Merrid. Amp makes a lot of sense today, and Merrid's activity spiked which can be quite telling.