[Rashan]

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 04:38 PM, said:

Rashan, on 11 May 2017 - 02:28 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 12:44 AM, said:

I've stated my thoughts.

Cases are for scum.

Er..... wat?




You'll never fit in here with THAT attitude

If you seriously have a problem with my philosophy, why not work it out in a game where my alignment is not in question?

Cases are used car sales pitches.

Everybody has the same information on the same players. If we are being up front and open on our thoughts in every post, we shouldn't need a "case" to summarize those thoughts to empower the lazy to lean on our work product.

Scum have much to gain by selling their used cars. I just want to find scum.

You've lost me there. All I got was, you had a bad experience purchasing a used car before,

Cases point out inconsistencies in players' behaviour. Those inconsistencies are what suggests they are acting with ulterior motives or are privy to extra info that an average RI does not possess.

Unless you possess a photoiedetic memory, good luck recalling every post made over a 15 page game thread.

Simply saying "so and so is scum" (which you are not doing, to be fair- you are focused on one post, and you seem intent to keep hammering at it until Jalan is lynched) is far less persuading then providing your thought process as to why you arrive at a particular conclusion as to the merits of each suspect being scum. Often this thought process involves quoting the player's post to point out inconsistencies- ergo, "cases" .

Once again, mafia is a team game. Just because you are proven town, does not automatically make you right all the time. You are still required to convince others that your suggestion merit the most attention, in order to arrive at a majority needed for a lynch.

In any case, as pleasant as this distraction is, I don't see why you are bringing this up now, when the rest of us are trying to consider the relevant merits of all the proposed scum suspects (including Jalan).

[Rashan]

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 04:46 PM, said:

Also also,

In games with two healers, (at least) the primary should be macho to more strongly discourage d1 claims. I'd recommend both, though.

???

I know the words you are using, but I don't understand the leap of logic.

Where the hell are you getting 2 healers from? This a healer + martyr setup.

[Nimander Golit]

Killing scum has an 18-20% chance of hitting the bg tonight, depending on whether they identified the symp.

Tomorrow, those odds skyrocket to 25-33%

Now that killing scum is down to 1, the bg should claim to receive protection and/or draw the counter.

[Kilava]

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 04:38 PM, said:

Rashan, on 11 May 2017 - 02:28 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 12:44 AM, said:

I've stated my thoughts.

Cases are for scum.

Er..... wat?




You'll never fit in here with THAT attitude

If you seriously have a problem with my philosophy, why not work it out in a game where my alignment is not in question?

Cases are used car sales pitches.

Everybody has the same information on the same players. If we are being up front and open on our thoughts in every post, we shouldn't need a "case" to summarize those thoughts to empower the lazy to lean on our work product.

Scum have much to gain by selling their used cars. I just want to find scum.

Cases are useful for convincing people to vote the way you feel/want them to. It adds substance to your beliefs. In addition, the way you interpret others' posts and build a case allows other players to learn something about you, so it becomes useful both ways.

[Rashan]

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 04:31 PM, said:

The Merrid wagon must be for comedic effect.

I'd vote Galain over Merrid any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

So you are supposing Galain is Jalan's symp then?

[Kruppe of Darujhistan]

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

Killing scum has an 18-20% chance of hitting the bg tonight, depending on whether they identified the symp.

Assuming we don't Lynch him first.

[Denul]

These errant Kruppe posts are getting annoying.

[Nimander Golit]

Kilava, on 11 May 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 04:38 PM, said:

Rashan, on 11 May 2017 - 02:28 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 12:44 AM, said:

I've stated my thoughts.

Cases are for scum.

Er..... wat?




You'll never fit in here with THAT attitude

If you seriously have a problem with my philosophy, why not work it out in a game where my alignment is not in question?

Cases are used car sales pitches.

Everybody has the same information on the same players. If we are being up front and open on our thoughts in every post, we shouldn't need a "case" to summarize those thoughts to empower the lazy to lean on our work product.

Scum have much to gain by selling their used cars. I just want to find scum.

Cases are useful for convincing people to vote the way you feel/want them to. It adds substance to your beliefs. In addition, the way you interpret others' posts and build a case allows other players to learn something about you, so it becomes useful both ways.

It's cute how you act like I don't know the purpose of cases.

[Nimander Golit]

Rashan, on 11 May 2017 - 05:03 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 04:31 PM, said:

The Merrid wagon must be for comedic effect.

I'd vote Galain over Merrid any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

So you are supposing Galain is Jalan's symp then?

I'm supposing Galain is more likely to be scum than Merrid.

[Nimander Golit]

Kruppe of Darujhistan, on 11 May 2017 - 05:08 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

Killing scum has an 18-20% chance of hitting the bg tonight, depending on whether they identified the symp.

Assuming we don't Lynch him first.

This kind of useless garbage makes me happier and happier to see you swing.

[Jalan]

Galain, on 11 May 2017 - 09:37 AM, said:

Jalan, on 10 May 2017 - 08:37 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 10 May 2017 - 02:38 AM, said:

Jalan, on 10 May 2017 - 01:39 AM, said:

I think the only non-scum possibility to explain his behavior is if he is the actual healer, but I don't think that's the case.

How does that thought process come into existence?If I was fakeclaiming, the "actual healer" would step up and cc me.I'd have lost a claim way against pretty much anyone today.That statement is absolute trash.

So... You do realize I had already said I thought your claim was genuine, right?

Jalan, on 10 May 2017 - 01:23 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 10 May 2017 - 01:19 AM, said:

Merrid, on 09 May 2017 - 08:04 PM, said:

If you're gonna vote the claimed Healer you should only be doing it because you're the real Healer. Or, you know, they're being an arse.

Guilty.

However, you're being a logical arse. You're also pushing to get town to work together, which is something that we haven't done particularly well in a while.I don't think that I would have revealed in your shoes, but I do think that it has caused a crapton of discussion, and helped make scum stand out on D1.

Jalan, on 10 May 2017 - 01:39 AM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 09 May 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

For the record I have never seen whatever movie it was and I don't remember it from the SImpsons, I know it from a song (where it's not "the loneliest")remove voteI don't get Nim's vote on Galain but I don't think me questioning everything Nimander does and I don't get leads anywhere or is much helpful so I'll just leave Nimander beI need to reread the but it seems like Kilava has managed to stay relatively low despite not being low-poster. Denul's non-commitment warrants attention but his play has not been that much different from mine so they're not that supicious to me.Galain, Rashan and Ampelas are all serious and sensible, maybe that's not such a bad place to look too. But I admit they all make sense in some way, but Ampelas is giving me the most tryhard feeling of them.I like Galain's vote on Osserc, although as Rashan points out they have too little posts for my liking, would like to hear more from them.

Yeah, the more I'm reading the more likely I find that SR is scum. The way he continues to take little jabs at Nim to attempt to discredit a non-cc'ed healer is rather worrisome. I think the only non-scum possibility to explain his behavior is if he is the actual healer, but I don't think that's the case.Beyond that though, SR is on thread a lot, attempting to direct the discussion. That makes me really nervous.Vote Silchas Ruin

I dont actually care of you leave your vote on me for the moment since you're the first vote and it's still early in D2, but you're barking up the wrong tree.

Adds to my observation that Jalan was around a lot more than his posts dictated yesterday as Denul used that very expression towards Ampelas when Amp was pointing out the signalling case.

Or, you know, it's a common turn of phrase where I'm from?

[Jalan]

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 05:14 PM, said:

Rashan, on 11 May 2017 - 05:03 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 04:31 PM, said:

The Merrid wagon must be for comedic effect.

I'd vote Galain over Merrid any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

So you are supposing Galain is Jalan's symp then?

I'm supposing Galain is more likely to be scum than Merrid.

Damnit Nim, you're being reasonable and saying things I can agree with now.

[Denul]

Jalan, on 11 May 2017 - 05:16 PM, said:

Or, you know, it's a common turn of phrase where I'm from?

Most likely, but "cc'ed" isn't a common turn of phrase round these Malazan Mafia parts.

[Ampelas]

Busy morning. In and out, but I have been trying to catch up on reading.

To address Rashan's points, all very astute. All I can say is that originally my Denul comment was made very early on and in passing (if you read it in context, I was doing a first read and noting things that stood out). As for the Kilava case, I was already looking at Kilava long before SR had any semblance of a train, and in the end, I stuck with my case on Kilava not seeing much in the SR case (which of course I was way wrong about).

As for the case on Merrid, I am not sure Rashan why you wouldn't think Merrid would be ballsy enough or smart enough to jump on the train at that point. With it taking only 6 to lynch and with the heat SR was receiving, it was going to take quite a push to remove said interest from SR; so, it makes sense for scum to jump on at that point. Moreover, I still wanted questions answered on Kilava, even if SR was to be lynched, hence me staying where I was and offering to hammer, even though the direction of the lynch was obvious and certain.

For now, I am adding my vote to Merrid, though I still need to continue my read from Galain onward. Maybe end of day today, but I am ramping up to give a presentation tomorrow.

Vote Merrid

[Jalan]

Denul, on 11 May 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

Jalan, on 11 May 2017 - 05:16 PM, said:

Or, you know, it's a common turn of phrase where I'm from?

Most likely, but "cc'ed" isn't a common turn of phrase round these Malazan Mafia parts.

Agreed on that one. I read half the thread that night and voted SR. It was far enough to see the common usage of un-cc'ed by Nim/House and pick it up. *shrug*

[Nimander Golit]

Ampelas, on 11 May 2017 - 05:24 PM, said:

Busy morning. In and out, but I have been trying to catch up on reading.

To address Rashan's points, all very astute. All I can say is that originally my Denul comment was made very early on and in passing (if you read it in context, I was doing a first read and noting things that stood out). As for the Kilava case, I was already looking at Kilava long before SR had any semblance of a train, and in the end, I stuck with my case on Kilava not seeing much in the SR case (which of course I was way wrong about).

As for the case on Merrid, I am not sure Rashan why you wouldn't think Merrid would be ballsy enough or smart enough to jump on the train at that point. With it taking only 6 to lynch and with the heat SR was receiving, it was going to take quite a push to remove said interest from SR; so, it makes sense for scum to jump on at that point. Moreover, I still wanted questions answered on Kilava, even if SR was to be lynched, hence me staying where I was and offering to hammer, even though the direction of the lynch was obvious and certain.

For now, I am adding my vote to Merrid, though I still need to continue my read from Galain onward. Maybe end of day today, but I am ramping up to give a presentation tomorrow.

Vote Merrid

Disgusting.

[Kilava]

About halfway through the read, I feel fairly comfortable in saying I won't be voting for Rashan or Ampelas. They both voiced suspicion of Silchas without prodding. Rashan was the first with Nim to talk about Silchas' second vote on Nim (and then vote them for that). Ampelas even added something previously unmentioned in suggesting a possible signal between Denul and Silchas. Even if that turns out to be wrong, the point is that Ampelas worked to add further suspicion on to Silchas.


As for Galain, this does look really really bad for them on a second read:

Galain, on 09 May 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

Rashan, on 09 May 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:

Galain, on 09 May 2017 - 01:46 PM, said:

Rashan, on 09 May 2017 - 01:43 PM, said:

Galain, on 09 May 2017 - 09:28 AM, said:

So having read up I think we should believe Nim's reveal. I think Bodyguard should stay hidden and that we should lynch Osseric. He's my number one suspect, too much happening on thread for a post like his.

No comment on SR's behaviour? Hmmm

vote SR

Good morning everyone

Not yet no. Other people are doing that. Are you asking me for my opinion on SR? Your post could easily have said, no comment on Kilava's behaviour, or no comment on Rashan's behaviour (I am aware you are Rashan ), so what makes you think SR is more important for me to look at than Osseric?

He has a vote on him. I was leaning towards voting him in my breakdown of the game so far yesterday. he voted a revealed healer . Are none of these things worthy of a comment at the end of a re-read?

I am not saying they are not. I do not want my Osseric vote watered down so that he can escape without pressure.


Now you are asking me to comment,

The impression I got from Silchas' back and forth with Nimander was tongue in cheek. Jokey. Do I expect SR to leave his vote on Nimander, no. Do I think scum would add a train vote to a suspected healer? No. Do I take his vote as serious? No.

Silchas Ruin, on 08 May 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 05:21 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 08 May 2017 - 05:20 PM, said:

Or I just found it funny

This game's supposed to be fun too

This kind of game is for people that find scumhunting "fun".

Not being boorish louts.

That's rather unflattering

Vote Nimander

Just went back, and this just looks like a piss contest.

Silchas Ruin, on 08 May 2017 - 05:52 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 05:47 PM, said:

Merrid might be stubborn town


The way Silchas slinked onto my wagon was terrible.

remove vote

vote Silchas Ruin

My feet just hurt, sorry

Nah, I don't see it as scummy, jokey over scummy.

I'd prefer to vote the sensible ones. I don't think we'll find scum hiding in the SR alt, but what do I know.

[Nimander Golit]

Rashan, on 11 May 2017 - 04:53 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 04:46 PM, said:

Also also,

In games with two healers, (at least) the primary should be macho to more strongly discourage d1 claims. I'd recommend both, though.

???

I know the words you are using, but I don't understand the leap of logic.

Where the hell are you getting 2 healers from? This a healer + martyr setup.

The effect is the same, in that the martyr deters scum from killing the martyr's target, thereby protecting said target.

Quit splitting hairs, you're bad at it.

[Jalan]

Ok, I'm going to put this out there now. Galain is symp. I'd bet my left testicle. There are all of his interactions today (Which are scummy as fuck), but his play yesterday at the time that the SR train stated building is what is sealing it for me.

I'll hop back and grab quotes.

[Kilava]

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

Kilava, on 11 May 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 04:38 PM, said:

Rashan, on 11 May 2017 - 02:28 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 12:44 AM, said:

I've stated my thoughts.

Cases are for scum.

Er..... wat?




You'll never fit in here with THAT attitude

If you seriously have a problem with my philosophy, why not work it out in a game where my alignment is not in question?

Cases are used car sales pitches.

Everybody has the same information on the same players. If we are being up front and open on our thoughts in every post, we shouldn't need a "case" to summarize those thoughts to empower the lazy to lean on our work product.

Scum have much to gain by selling their used cars. I just want to find scum.

Cases are useful for convincing people to vote the way you feel/want them to. It adds substance to your beliefs. In addition, the way you interpret others' posts and build a case allows other players to learn something about you, so it becomes useful both ways.

It's cute how you act like I don't know the purpose of cases.

Perhaps you know the purpose but you seem to disagree with it. I'm simply stating why I find them useful and your opinion ignorant