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Mafia 142.5 - Bauchelain & Korbal Broach Game Thread

#481 User is offline   Nimander Golit 

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 11:08 AM

View PostGalain, on 11 May 2017 - 11:06 AM, said:

View PostNimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 10:58 AM, said:

View PostGalain, on 11 May 2017 - 09:30 AM, said:

So in conclusion after my read up I have Merrid as my top suspect and Jalan as a close second.

That post I quoted with Denul quoting both Silchas and Merrid has me thinking he is the symp. He also never voted for SR.

Vote Merrid

Get off Merrid.

The symp wouldn't be so sloppy as to quote both killers in the same post.

Also, I disagree with your read on him.


This I am afraid has happened a shit ton of times on this forum. Kruppe himself is definitely a player I can see doing that too.

That does nothing to change the last sentence in my post.

#482 User is offline   Nimander Golit 

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 11:11 AM

View PostGalain, on 11 May 2017 - 11:06 AM, said:

View PostNimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 11:03 AM, said:

View PostGalain, on 11 May 2017 - 10:06 AM, said:

Jalan has not as many interactions with people

That's actually a point against him, not for him.


He is up there with my scum reads, what makes you think Merrid is safe?

Merrid is hard town for me for his d1 play.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 11:17 AM

Merrid was livid that I claimed d1. That was real.

If he faked that, kudos, he deserves the win.

#484 User is offline   Nimander Golit 

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 11:20 AM

When I do things, it's not just for everyone else's benefit.

I gauge reactions, too.

Those who were conspicuously unavailable during the drama are far more suspicious than those on center stage.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 11:24 AM

View PostNimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 11:20 AM, said:

Those who were conspicuously unavailable during the drama are far more suspicious than those on center stage.



Hmm, sounds familiar, almost like someone said this back on day 1 ;)

Interestingly, though, it doesn't quite apply to how Silchas played - though I suppose they unwillingly got roped in further.

#486 User is offline   Nimander Golit 

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 11:35 AM

View PostKilava, on 11 May 2017 - 11:24 AM, said:

View PostNimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 11:20 AM, said:

Those who were conspicuously unavailable during the drama are far more suspicious than those on center stage.



Hmm, sounds familiar, almost like someone said this back on day 1 ;)

Interestingly, though, it doesn't quite apply to how Silchas played - though I suppose they unwillingly got roped in further.

Obviously.

And there was a world of difference between SR's activity and Merrid's.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 11:44 AM

View PostNimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 11:35 AM, said:

View PostKilava, on 11 May 2017 - 11:24 AM, said:

View PostNimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 11:20 AM, said:

Those who were conspicuously unavailable during the drama are far more suspicious than those on center stage.



Hmm, sounds familiar, almost like someone said this back on day 1 ;)

Interestingly, though, it doesn't quite apply to how Silchas played - though I suppose they unwillingly got roped in further.

Obviously.

And there was a world of difference between SR's activity and Merrid's.



Obviously.

Mine was more a comparison of Silchas' and Jalan's play styles - if we're expecting scum not to get involved overmuch in day 1 than Jalan fits that (while Merrid does not). My caveat to that argument is that Silchas, who was scum, DID get involved, so belies expectations - but as I said, there were mitigating factors to that that forced their involvement.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 12:22 PM

Hmm.

I'd still rather look at actual detractors from SR's lynch first. But Jalan is like no 3 on my list, so I can see the merit.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 12:23 PM

Also, running late for work due to this goddamned cold snap robbing me of will to do anything in the morning, ;) sigh.

More once I'm in the office and have some boiling caffeine defrosting my insides.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 01:41 PM

It is Day 2. 12 hours and 9 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Rashan

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Jalan ( Nimander Golit )
1 Vote for Merrid ( Galain )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Denul, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Rashan
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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#491 User is offline   Galain 

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 02:03 PM

Nim, I think you need to go over day one again with SR as scum in mind because I cannot see Merrid as legit as you can.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 02:36 PM

Alright, I've now got time for a proper reread, so will do that, post thoughts, and vote.

Initially, Galain, if Merrid is scum, then they've played the outraged townie very well. I can see that - maybe - as a symp playing like that, but for now I think there are better targets for scum.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 03:24 PM

View PostJalan, on 10 May 2017 - 08:45 PM, said:

View PostRashan, on 10 May 2017 - 08:35 PM, said:

View PostJalan, on 10 May 2017 - 08:29 PM, said:

View PostAmpelas, on 10 May 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

View PostRashan, on 10 May 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

What bothers me in your answer is really this: "what would my answer change?"

SR made a case on Kilava being "wishy-washy" and "too smooth" ™

I suggested I wasn't seeing that, but I'd do a re-read.

You were voting kilava at the time. Along with SR.
You claim you were willing to hammer SR. What would me coming back an hour before timeout and saying "look, I totally see why you think Kilava is scum!" would change at that point? Your response suggests you'd then try to turn the lynch off SR and onto Kilava.

Given the CF, that scenario raises almost as many questions as Galain's behaviour.


You think I like being on the train with the killer? I was going for my typical thought process, that killers play middle of the road, stay out of trouble by being overall agreeable without having to commit anything. I saw Kilava as fitting the bill and stood by my case.

I am not sure what else to say? I brought up SR and Denul first thing, looking at both as symps. I then proceeded to search for someone not rocking the boat but not drawing attention as a low poster. If you know who I am, this is my MO.


This is actually what is stopping me from placing a vote on you. I don't think you'd be stupid enough to be the only other one on a train with a partner if you were a killer.


And what about Galain? What's the likelihood of "it's too blatant to be true" defense applying to both?


Frankly, you could group my hammer into that clusterfuck as well.

The fact is that we're looking for 2 scum left in a group of 8 people. All 3 of us can't be scum.

Now, I'm going to pull a bit of meta here, but Nom has a tendency to like hiding messages to his partners in his posts. I'm hopping back to dig over his previous materials to see if he did it again with his symp. I think that's our best chance of finding our next member of that infamous trio.


Find any hidden messages from Nom? Probably not, since it would be far easier to just communicate uncryptically with his partner privately. You know, normal Scum channels.



View PostGalain, on 11 May 2017 - 09:27 AM, said:

View PostJalan, on 10 May 2017 - 01:39 AM, said:

View PostSilchas Ruin, on 09 May 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

For the record I have never seen whatever movie it was and I don't remember it from the SImpsons, I know it from a song (where it's not "the loneliest")

remove vote

I don't get Nim's vote on Galain but I don't think me questioning everything Nimander does and I don't get leads anywhere or is much helpful so I'll just leave Nimander be

I need to reread the but it seems like Kilava has managed to stay relatively low despite not being low-poster. Denul's non-commitment warrants attention but his play has not been that much different from mine so they're not that supicious to me.

Galain, Rashan and Ampelas are all serious and sensible, maybe that's not such a bad place to look too. But I admit they all make sense in some way, but Ampelas is giving me the most tryhard feeling of them.

I like Galain's vote on Osserc, although as Rashan points out they have too little posts for my liking, would like to hear more from them.


Yeah, the more I'm reading the more likely I find that SR is scum. The way he continues to take little jabs are Nim to attempt to discredit a non-cc'ed healer is rather worrisome. I think the only non-scum possibility to explain his behavior is if he is the actual healer, but I don't think that's the case.

Beyond that though, SR is on thread a lot, attempting to direct the discussion. That makes me really nervous.

Vote Silchas Ruin



This post is scummy as fuck. Where do I start with it. Before this game "non-cc'ed" was not a common phrase. It was, and I'll be bold to say this, never used in mafia on this site. Counter would be the usual term. This use of the phrase in Jalan's post has me thinking that they have been following the thread a lot more carefully than their absence portrays.

The next thing is, the use of counter claim as a viable excuse for berating SR's vote because not everyone had checked in. Ampelas and Jalan himself were non entities at the beginning of the game. So their still could have been a counter at any stage until everyone had checked in.

The whole post smacks of someone who wants to be on this train and is just reiterating what others have said instead of giving their own proper thoughts.


That is the particular Jalan post that triggered my hypothetical Jalan/Silchas convo post at the end of Day one even before the resolve proved that Silchas was Scum. Granted, Osserc as NK doesn't make a whole lot of sense in the theoretical context of Jalan being Scum, but he's still my #1 Suspect.



View PostGalain, on 11 May 2017 - 11:06 AM, said:

View PostNimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 10:58 AM, said:

View PostGalain, on 11 May 2017 - 09:30 AM, said:

So in conclusion after my read up I have Merrid as my top suspect and Jalan as a close second.

That post I quoted with Denul quoting both Silchas and Merrid has me thinking he is the symp. He also never voted for SR.

Vote Merrid

Get off Merrid.

The symp wouldn't be so sloppy as to quote both killers in the same post.

Also, I disagree with your read on him.


This I am afraid has happened a shit ton of times on this forum. Kruppe himself is definitely a player I can see doing that too.


LOL! Kruppe in general or Kruppe when Symp? If in general, then I likely wouldn't know I was quoting two Scum, would I? And if when Symp, then you can easily find an example to show us should there be one, because I have been Symp here exactly ONCE (a game Scum won, btw ;) )

Meanwhile, I'm going to go ahead and Vote Jalan

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 04:03 PM

Lack of any detractors to the Jalan lynch is one of the reasons I feel it's just too convenient to have him as scum no 2.

Galain's posting today seems logical, though I also disagree on Merrid. I'll have to check if he was vote 3 or 4, but either way, that's very balls (and smart) move to basically cement your partner's train.

Still, this leaves me with Denul and Amp.
Denul and SR as partners make little sense in the context of that song interaction.

And Amp is the one to bring that up as "signalling" , but first off, he focuses on Denul, and secondly, although he brings up the theory, he never really tries to throw SR into it as scum.

Overall, the whole thing feels like some random distraction.

Couple to this him trying to set up alternative train on Kilava, and yeah. That's all way more suspicious than Jalan's hammer. Especially since the thing Nim is jumping on the most (the very-unlikely but still possible implication his reveal was a symp move) has literally been brought up by at least 2 other players before (myself included), so it doesn't strike me nearly as outrageous as it does him.

So,

vote Ampelas

But I'll switch to Jalan if we really need it.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 04:06 PM

View PostGalain, on 11 May 2017 - 02:03 PM, said:

Nim, I think you need to go over day one again with SR as scum in mind because I cannot see Merrid as legit as you can.

I accept that you're wrong. I don't need to waste all that time confirming it. ;)

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 04:11 PM

View PostGalain, on 11 May 2017 - 02:03 PM, said:

Nim, I think you need to go over day one again with SR as scum in mind because I cannot see Merrid as legit as you can.

This kind of posting is scummy af.

I was reading SR as scum the vast majority of the day, d1. Galain is asking me to reread with the assumption I was already working under.

Town should have known that.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 04:27 PM

It is Day 2. 9 hours and 23 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Rashan

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Ampelas ( Rashan )
1 Vote for Jalan ( Nimander Golit )
1 Vote for Merrid ( Galain )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Denul, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 11 May 2017 - 04:31 PM

The Merrid wagon must be for comedic effect.

I'd vote Galain over Merrid any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 04:38 PM

View PostRashan, on 11 May 2017 - 02:28 AM, said:

View PostNimander Golit, on 11 May 2017 - 12:44 AM, said:

I've stated my thoughts.

Cases are for scum.



Er..... wat?




You'll never fit in here with THAT attitude

If you seriously have a problem with my philosophy, why not work it out in a game where my alignment is not in question?

Cases are used car sales pitches.

Everybody has the same information on the same players. If we are being up front and open on our thoughts in every post, we shouldn't need a "case" to summarize those thoughts to empower the lazy to lean on our work product.

Scum have much to gain by selling their used cars. I just want to find scum.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 04:46 PM

Also also,

In games with two healers, (at least) the primary should be macho to more strongly discourage d1 claims. I'd recommend both, though.

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